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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Moo said:

    Scoham said:

    Moo said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Moo said:

    I’m serious, we can hold on for 2 weeks.

    Hoping it's two weeks, but it could well be more unfortunately.
    Then mid table league 1 is the best we can hope for. No strength in depth,injured players already. Its so frustrating, this club has so much potential and for one reason or another,every season is the same. Christ knows what we've done as fans of Charlton to warrant such shit times but im just sick of it. Sad.
    What If the takeover does finally happen? Say end of August. I’m sure it will create a good buzz around the place. We still have the January window to make a big push for promotion. I also believe we have a much better manager this season who can get the best out of our players.
    If it happens the wait will have killed of some of the excitement. Due to the time it's taken there will be a lot more fans having doubts about the Aussies, whether that's fair or not. Looking across social media over the last few weeks I've seen more comments blaming them for the delay or doubting they'll be good for the club.
    Well from what James has said they have a five year plan to get us to the premier league. Think we have to hold onto the hope that it will happen.
    It's not like they're going to tell the world they don't have a clue what they're doing, is it!

    More chance of my mum winning the lottery than us being in The Prem in 5 years.
  • Hex said:

    Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Moo said:

    I’m serious, we can hold on for 2 weeks.

    Hoping it's two weeks, but it could well be more unfortunately.
    Or is this a hidden message - "Roland, are you listening ? We know we are your only option. It's too late for us to put together a promotion team for this season so we are not in any hurry to complete a deal. We can wait while your debts pile up ..... unless you agree to our price NOW".
    Or from Roland's point of view

    "You could have bought the club in June and had a summer to build a promotion side and start your era off on a wave of optimism. Instead, because of the delays you'll go into this season with a mediocre squad (especially when Bauer and Magennis get sold in August), and start your era with a year struggling in L1, racking up losses, and then over spending in the January window to try and save the season"
    Yes, but that is irrelevant as in 2 weeks, when the transfer window closes, Roland has to fund the monthly loses while the Aussies can sit back and watch the money drain out of Staprix. They are in control now.
    But the longer the takeover is delayed, the worse state the club will be in. There's a massive difference between buying a club in June, and planning for promotion and buying one in September with a season of struggle ahead, especially if they have a 5 year plan. If the 5 year plan turns into a 6 year plan as a result, how does that benefit the Aussies financially?

    If that was the case then surely the Aussies would have piled in a year ago, but they didn't. They know they are taking over a distressed club but, from their perspective in terms of a 5 year plan, things on and off the field are not going to change much (provided we don't get relegated). Off the field they will probably have a good idea of the structure they want to put in place, whether last year, now or in a year's time. Players come and go but they cannot let that control their negotiations even though us supporters have a different view. When (if) they get control, they will sit down, look at each other, agree (to use a current term) 'it is what it is' and start from there.
  • If £4m of the £7m is owed to Murray could it be that the Aussies are willing to roll over the£3m owed to others but not the £4m owed to Murray as they dont want him around?

    They could roll over his debt and still make sure he's nowhere near the boardroom, the two things are not linked.
  • Will those trotting out the debenture crap please justify. What part of 'price has been agreed' as stated by both sides, don't you understand? How is a crucial next two weeks pertinent to an issue that has been bull-shitted about for two months? If you can't justify your speculation, just don't post.

    People lie, I've also never seen a statement from The aussies saying a price has been agreed, do you have a link?
  • If £4m of the £7m is owed to Murray could it be that the Aussies are willing to roll over the£3m owed to others but not the £4m owed to Murray as they dont want him around?

    They could roll over his debt and still make sure he's nowhere near the boardroom, the two things are not linked.
    But maybe they don't want to, for all the reasons that have been explained on here time and time again!
  • Pedro45 said:

    If £4m of the £7m is owed to Murray could it be that the Aussies are willing to roll over the£3m owed to others but not the £4m owed to Murray as they dont want him around?

    They could roll over his debt and still make sure he's nowhere near the boardroom, the two things are not linked.
    But maybe they don't want to, for all the reasons that have been explained on here time and time again!
    Which has nothing to do with not wanting him around.

    I'm still firmly in the 'Theyre seeking investment' camp.
  • Who else remembers the abuse aimed at Robinson on here for saying the take over wouldn’t happen until nextvseason
  • The way that the comment has been phrased to James suggests to me it is they the Australians that have the difficulties, not Roland. Not the ex directors. Not loans.

    So what is it that the Australians will find difficult to do in two weeks?

    We have been told that the consortium needs to be less complicated. Who decided this and why?

    There also seems to be the suggestion that two of the consortium did not pass fit and proper. Is this what will mean a difficult two weeks to resolve?

    Maybe the two go together. By re-organising the consortium they can then meet the requirements of fit and proper and yet keep the consortium together.

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  • edited July 2018
    Redrobo said:

    The way that the comment has been phrased to James suggests to me it is they the Australians that have the difficulties, not Roland. Not the ex directors. Not loans.

    So what is it that the Australians will find difficult to do in two weeks?


    Tie a kangaroo down?
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    JamesSeed said:

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    Hex said:

    Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Moo said:

    I’m serious, we can hold on for 2 weeks.

    Hoping it's two weeks, but it could well be more unfortunately.
    Or is this a hidden message - "Roland, are you listening ? We know we are your only option. It's too late for us to put together a promotion team for this season so we are not in any hurry to complete a deal. We can wait while your debts pile up ..... unless you agree to our price NOW".
    Or from Roland's point of view

    "You could have bought the club in June and had a summer to build a promotion side and start your era off on a wave of optimism. Instead, because of the delays you'll go into this season with a mediocre squad (especially when Bauer and Magennis get sold in August), and start your era with a year struggling in L1, racking up losses, and then over spending in the January window to try and save the season"
    Yes, but that is irrelevant as in 2 weeks, when the transfer window closes, Roland has to fund the monthly loses while the Aussies can sit back and watch the money drain out of Staprix. They are in control now.
    But the longer the takeover is delayed, the worse state the club will be in. There's a massive difference between buying a club in June, and planning for promotion and buying one in September with a season of struggle ahead, especially if they have a 5 year plan. If the 5 year plan turns into a 6 year plan as a result, how does that benefit the Aussies financially?

    No benefit of course

    Moo said:

    Scoham said:

    Moo said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Moo said:

    I’m serious, we can hold on for 2 weeks.

    Hoping it's two weeks, but it could well be more unfortunately.
    Then mid table league 1 is the best we can hope for. No strength in depth,injured players already. Its so frustrating, this club has so much potential and for one reason or another,every season is the same. Christ knows what we've done as fans of Charlton to warrant such shit times but im just sick of it. Sad.
    What If the takeover does finally happen? Say end of August. I’m sure it will create a good buzz around the place. We still have the January window to make a big push for promotion. I also believe we have a much better manager this season who can get the best out of our players.
    If it happens the wait will have killed of some of the excitement. Due to the time it's taken there will be a lot more fans having doubts about the Aussies, whether that's fair or not. Looking across social media over the last few weeks I've seen more comments blaming them for the delay or doubting they'll be good for the club.
    Well from what James has said they have a five year plan to get us to the premier league. Think we have to hold onto the hope that it will happen.
    It's not like they're going to tell the world they don't have a clue what they're doing, is it!

    More chance of my mum winning the lottery than us being in The Prem in 5 years.
    What numbers is your mum using ;-)

    Of course you can argue that the chances are we won't get to the Prem in 5 years. But at least they're showing the ambition that the club has lacked for years.
    They have shown nothing though, the spivs said the right things when they came in, as did RD, so let's wait and see, shall we.
    Shall we? Yes we shall, Stu. We shall wait and see. In the meantime, snipe away lol.
  • Redrobo said:

    The way that the comment has been phrased to James suggests to me it is they the Australians that have the difficulties, not Roland. Not the ex directors. Not loans.

    So what is it that the Australians will find difficult to do in two weeks?

    We have been told that the consortium needs to be less complicated. Who decided this and why?

    There also seems to be the suggestion that two of the consortium did not pass fit and proper. Is this what will mean a difficult two weeks to resolve?

    Maybe the two go together. By re-organising the consortium they can then meet the requirements of fit and proper and yet keep the consortium together.

    Not so.
  • JamesSeed said:

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    JamesSeed said:

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    Hex said:

    Hex said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Moo said:

    I’m serious, we can hold on for 2 weeks.

    Hoping it's two weeks, but it could well be more unfortunately.
    Or is this a hidden message - "Roland, are you listening ? We know we are your only option. It's too late for us to put together a promotion team for this season so we are not in any hurry to complete a deal. We can wait while your debts pile up ..... unless you agree to our price NOW".
    Or from Roland's point of view

    "You could have bought the club in June and had a summer to build a promotion side and start your era off on a wave of optimism. Instead, because of the delays you'll go into this season with a mediocre squad (especially when Bauer and Magennis get sold in August), and start your era with a year struggling in L1, racking up losses, and then over spending in the January window to try and save the season"
    Yes, but that is irrelevant as in 2 weeks, when the transfer window closes, Roland has to fund the monthly loses while the Aussies can sit back and watch the money drain out of Staprix. They are in control now.
    But the longer the takeover is delayed, the worse state the club will be in. There's a massive difference between buying a club in June, and planning for promotion and buying one in September with a season of struggle ahead, especially if they have a 5 year plan. If the 5 year plan turns into a 6 year plan as a result, how does that benefit the Aussies financially?

    No benefit of course

    Moo said:

    Scoham said:

    Moo said:

    JamesSeed said:

    Moo said:

    I’m serious, we can hold on for 2 weeks.

    Hoping it's two weeks, but it could well be more unfortunately.
    Then mid table league 1 is the best we can hope for. No strength in depth,injured players already. Its so frustrating, this club has so much potential and for one reason or another,every season is the same. Christ knows what we've done as fans of Charlton to warrant such shit times but im just sick of it. Sad.
    What If the takeover does finally happen? Say end of August. I’m sure it will create a good buzz around the place. We still have the January window to make a big push for promotion. I also believe we have a much better manager this season who can get the best out of our players.
    If it happens the wait will have killed of some of the excitement. Due to the time it's taken there will be a lot more fans having doubts about the Aussies, whether that's fair or not. Looking across social media over the last few weeks I've seen more comments blaming them for the delay or doubting they'll be good for the club.
    Well from what James has said they have a five year plan to get us to the premier league. Think we have to hold onto the hope that it will happen.
    It's not like they're going to tell the world they don't have a clue what they're doing, is it!

    More chance of my mum winning the lottery than us being in The Prem in 5 years.
    What numbers is your mum using ;-)

    Of course you can argue that the chances are we won't get to the Prem in 5 years. But at least they're showing the ambition that the club has lacked for years.
    They have shown nothing though, the spivs said the right things when they came in, as did RD, so let's wait and see, shall we.
    Shall we? Yes we shall, Stu. We shall wait and see. In the meantime, snipe away lol.
    Not sure how anything I've posted is sniping, this thread isn't just for those that buy into the aussie spin.

    I want the takeover to be a success as much as anyone, I just don't see it working out like it's been said it will.
    I don't think the Aussies spin do they? Not sure telling us 'it may be a difficult two weeks' is what most people would call spin. Saying 'we haven't pulled out' isn't spin either.

    They could probably do with a little now as it happens. In the absense of facts speculation is understandably rife, and there's an anti Aussie element that's growing. I can see why. We're not all born optimists. Of course it might not work out the way we hope it will, but so far I'm remaining positive.
  • Imo, everything is released for a reason and everything is spin.
  • If and it's a bloody big if, the Aussies do see this through, hard to believe they have not insisted on completion being in time for them to form a proper squad before the transfer window closes.

    I think I read somewhere that they had been granted an exclusivity period, does anybody know when that expires?
  • .

    Imo, everything is released for a reason and everything is spin.

    Lol. It's almost as if you live in a dystopian universe.
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  • If £4m of the £7m is owed to Murray could it be that the Aussies are willing to roll over the£3m owed to others but not the £4m owed to Murray as they dont want him around?

    Then pay him off. Easy.
  • I am hoping that by the time the takeover goes through and this thread is no more, there is a cure for Dementia... coz we are all going need one!
  • Croydon said:

    Scoham said:

    JamesSeed said:

    ok but please don’t shoot the messenger:

    GM anticipating ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’.

    But also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’.

    Which is slightly depressing if you hoped it would happen before the start of the season, but positive if you thought it wouldn’t happen this season at all, or they were pulling out.

    I’m sure he’d want to apologise for not being able to share any proper details, but if you start breaking NDAs you immedistely lose all business credibility.



    [*turns off phone, dives for cover*]


    PS 16/1 is poor value.

    I'm anticipating a difficult season ahead.
    It'll be worthwhile
    -It'll be worthwhile
    -It is what it is
    -SISS
    -Be patient
    -WIOTOS

    Have I missed any?
    Sorry bud, i was being facetious.... ; )
  • 14 more sleeps (minimum)
  • JamesSeed said:

    .

    Imo, everything is released for a reason and everything is spin.

    Lol. It's almost as if you live in a dystopian universe.
    You think They release what they do for laughs rather than impact?
  • JamesSeed said:

    What can be the two week significance be? EFL approval? How can it be time limited? £7m loans? If it is an issue now, it will be no less so in a fortnight. No 'difficult two weeks' is the window closing with Bauer Mag and others looking for their coats. Luckily Fosu is stuck here until January. So I believe the takeover is further on the horizon than this and am struggling to find reasons for delays apart from a previously mentioned potential tax issue of RD's 5th anniversary Dec/Jan or a key investor trying to shed his other interest.

    Oh gawd, analysis. That's all we need ;-)
    James, you offer a cryptic clue and then expect people not to analyse? Seriously? :smile:

    I'm guessing you must know more than you let on, otherwise your conversations with GM would be positively weird, judging by the minuscule titbits of titillation you offer. Your loyalty to the Aussie regime is beyond reproach, and loyalty is to me is one of my favourite qualities in a human being. However, loyalty is normally borne out of something tangible such as allegiance, devotion and duty and not imo an occasional coded message that not even you purport to understand.

    Com'on James time to spill the beans ... What's going on?

    No beans to spill, I really dont know more than I let on, other than personal stuff. Since the beer meeting I've only have two or three fairly brief phone conversations, and he's been extremely careful not to spill the beans or break confidentiality. He thought far too much came out after our beer meeting, despite saying it would be fine to share, so he's now much more careful. Especially as I'm now a known associate. It'll be ok once sale is concluded though.
  • Possibly, but I don't want to subscribe. What did it say?
  • JamesSeed said:

    .

    Imo, everything is released for a reason and everything is spin.

    Lol. It's almost as if you live in a dystopian universe.
    You think They release what they do for laughs rather than impact?
    What do they release? I may have missed it.
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