Just read the SLP article with Bowyer talking about (probably) losing BFG and Magennis, and the total lack of clarity over contracts for Aribo and Fosu. Then you look at the squad and see how totally threadbare it is even with those players. Plus no ceo, cfo etc etc
Just when you thought a RD pre season couldn’t be any worse than the last few. What a mess.
And the biggest worry is; this does not make me think a takeover is close. If new owners were all but ready to sign then surely players would be told they’d be looked after?
Just read the SLP article with Bowyer talking about (probably) losing BFG and Magennis, and the total lack of clarity over contracts for Aribo and Fosu. Then you look at the squad and see how totally threadbare it is even with those players. Plus no ceo, cfo etc etc
Just when you thought a RD pre season couldn’t be any worse than the last few. What a mess.
And the biggest worry is; this does not make me think a takeover is close. If new owners were all but ready to sign then surely players would be told they’d be looked after?
Bowyer was unable to provide updates on the contract offers made to winger Tariqe Fosu and midfielder Joe Aribo.
He said: “I know they have been offered but I don’t know what the plans are – that is between the owner, the agent and the players. I don’t get involved in all that.
“I only say who I think our assets are, I was asked who are assets are, and I told him [Roland Duchatelet] that. I’m sure something will get sorted at some stage.”
So today’s the day of our next “deadline”. Colin’s “positive news” on Wednesday nicely ties in with the fans forum, where there will surely be some comments on the progress of the takeover.
Just read the SLP article with Bowyer talking about (probably) losing BFG and Magennis, and the total lack of clarity over contracts for Aribo and Fosu. Then you look at the squad and see how totally threadbare it is even with those players. Plus no ceo, cfo etc etc
Just when you thought a RD pre season couldn’t be any worse than the last few. What a mess.
And the biggest worry is; this does not make me think a takeover is close. If new owners were all but ready to sign then surely players would be told they’d be looked after?
Bowyer was unable to provide updates on the contract offers made to winger Tariqe Fosu and midfielder Joe Aribo.
He said: “I know they have been offered but I don’t know what the plans are – that is between the owner, the agent and the players. I don’t get involved in all that.
“I only say who I think our assets are, I was asked who are assets are, and I told him [Roland Duchatelet] that. I’m sure something will get sorted at some stage.”
So Bowyer is purely first team coach and not manager. If we lose Fosu, Bauer and Magennis we are screwed. We won’t be replacing with like quality and the already threadbare squad won’t have a chance of coping.
Has the Fans Forum now joined the Secret Society with the East Kent Addicks?
East Kent Addicks, those were the days Target 10,000, supporters clubs meetings in the services club in Chatham with Mick E.... Really felt like a great club then that was buzzing and together, i suppose the return to the valley and the halo effect. Really miss those days.
Just read the SLP article with Bowyer talking about (probably) losing BFG and Magennis, and the total lack of clarity over contracts for Aribo and Fosu. Then you look at the squad and see how totally threadbare it is even with those players. Plus no ceo, cfo etc etc
Just when you thought a RD pre season couldn’t be any worse than the last few. What a mess.
And the biggest worry is; this does not make me think a takeover is close. If new owners were all but ready to sign then surely players would be told they’d be looked after?
Bowyer was unable to provide updates on the contract offers made to winger Tariqe Fosu and midfielder Joe Aribo.
He said: “I know they have been offered but I don’t know what the plans are – that is between the owner, the agent and the players. I don’t get involved in all that.
“I only say who I think our assets are, I was asked who are assets are, and I told him [Roland Duchatelet] that. I’m sure something will get sorted at some stage.”
So Bowyer isn't a Manager at all. He's employed as a fitness, motivation and tactics coach, two of which are unrequired in the summer. He "doesn't get involved" in ensuring the better players are retained. But he does help identify "assets" which the owner can then sell.
To be fair, Bowyer is only a caretaker, and hardly has the experience to be negotiating contracts and transfers with agents, players and other clubs anyway. I doubt Mourinho discusses contract financial terms with his players either.
The problems isn't that Bowyer isn't involved, but rather that Roland is involved...
To be fair, Bowyer is only a caretaker, and hardly has the experience to be negotiating contracts and transfers with agents, players and other clubs anyway. I doubt Mourinho discusses contract financial terms with his players either.
The problems isn't that Bowyer isn't involved, but rather that Roland is involved...
Never going to get that experience then is he. He should be involved if only as part of his growth as manager.
You need to watch the video of a day in the life of Chris wilder during the transfer window and then see how much managers are involved with it all
It’s one of the myriad reasons that Charlton are the basket case club we are. We have an interfering owner who appoints nobody’s to do the job that is integral to the manager getting it right.
All very well at the top level where you are buying multi million pound players and you know the quality you are getting. Not so for our end with freebies and cast offs. The managers who do well at our level know the lower leagues and players in it. Choose those that fit what they want in terms of football and character.
Could you imagine Curbs or Powell not being involved in what “the plans are” it’s ludicrous.
Do managers negotiate contracts or get involved beyond deciding who they want to keep?
Compare one manager clambering over the tall fence outside a player's house in order to talk to him and persuade him it's worth sitting down to watch a video of the last 25 years of Charlton's history, before persuading him to sign a contract, to "I don’t get involved in all that".
Players, surely, sign for a Manager as much as they do a club. That's why Paolo Di Canio was persuaded to play at the Valley. And why it's utterly depressing we don't have a football figurehead securing our better players on long-term contracts and signing additions and, instead, we have a short-term trainer looking after bleep tests weight loss, while telling his boss which players might be worth a few quid if they're sold quick sharp.
Bowyer could be a good manager. That's what makes it so frustrating that he hasn't either been given the job or been replaced.
Bowyer's redoubt is 'it is what it is'. If Bowyer is obliged to play Tony Keohane as a central defender, he can smile winningly, and with that cheeky eye twinkle and down to earth tone he can simply say 'it is what it is'. Sorted.
Do managers negotiate contracts or get involved beyond deciding who they want to keep?
Compare one manager clambering over the tall fence outside a player's house in order to talk to him and persuade him it's worth sitting down to watch a video of the last 25 years of Charlton's history, before persuading him to sign a contract, to "I don’t get involved in all that".
Players, surely, sign for a Manager as much as they do a club. That's why Paolo Di Canio was persuaded to play at the Valley. And why it's utterly depressing we don't have a football figurehead securing our better players on long-term contracts and signing additions and, instead, we have a short-term trainer looking after bleep tests weight loss, while telling his boss which players might be worth a few quid if they're sold quick sharp.
Bowyer could be a good manager. That's what makes it so frustrating that he hasn't either been given the job or been replaced.
But no Charlton manager can do that until the takeover is complete, that's the reality
Bowyer could sell himself, but any potential signing knows that if/once the takeover happens, everything could change, and we could have someone else in charge
With the transfer window arrangements I don’t think it’s tenable to start the season (having ended the previous one) with a caretaker manager. because of the limitations it places on recruitment and retention, over and above budgetary ones.
Duchatelet is responsible for this situation, but I don’t think others should go along with it.
Do managers negotiate contracts or get involved beyond deciding who they want to keep?
Compare one manager clambering over the tall fence outside a player's house in order to talk to him and persuade him it's worth sitting down to watch a video of the last 25 years of Charlton's history, before persuading him to sign a contract, to "I don’t get involved in all that".
Players, surely, sign for a Manager as much as they do a club. That's why Paolo Di Canio was persuaded to play at the Valley. And why it's utterly depressing we don't have a football figurehead securing our better players on long-term contracts and signing additions and, instead, we have a short-term trainer looking after bleep tests weight loss, while telling his boss which players might be worth a few quid if they're sold quick sharp.
Bowyer could be a good manager. That's what makes it so frustrating that he hasn't either been given the job or been replaced.
But no Charlton manager can do that until the takeover is complete, that's the reality
Bowyer could sell himself, but any potential signing knows that if/once the takeover happens, everything could change, and we could have someone else in charge
That's kind of the point I'm making. The owner shouldn't allow the club to be in the position where it hasn't got a proper manager.
With the transfer window arrangements I don’t think it’s tenable to start the season (having ended the previous one) with a caretaker manager. because of the limitations it places on recruitment and retention, over and above budgetary ones.
Duchatelet is responsible for this situation, but I don’t think others should go along with it.
What does anyone expect, from this completely deranged, clueless owner, completely detached from any football club common sense
I'm just convincing myself that the Aussies are simply waiting to see who wins the world cup before snapping up the entire winning squad and management team and closing the deal for Charlton on Monday.
Do managers negotiate contracts or get involved beyond deciding who they want to keep?
Compare one manager clambering over the tall fence outside a player's house in order to talk to him and persuade him it's worth sitting down to watch a video of the last 25 years of Charlton's history, before persuading him to sign a contract, to "I don’t get involved in all that".
Players, surely, sign for a Manager as much as they do a club. That's why Paolo Di Canio was persuaded to play at the Valley. And why it's utterly depressing we don't have a football figurehead securing our better players on long-term contracts and signing additions and, instead, we have a short-term trainer looking after bleep tests weight loss, while telling his boss which players might be worth a few quid if they're sold quick sharp.
Bowyer could be a good manager. That's what makes it so frustrating that he hasn't either been given the job or been replaced.
But no Charlton manager can do that until the takeover is complete, that's the reality
Bowyer could sell himself, but any potential signing knows that if/once the takeover happens, everything could change, and we could have someone else in charge
That's kind of the point I'm making. The owner shouldn't allow the club to be in the position where it hasn't got a proper manager.
But that's entirely down to the delay in the takeover, that's the problem holding EVERYTHING back at the moment.
With that in limbo, I'm not sure what else RD could do than keep Bowyer as a caretaker, it would be ridiculous if Bowyer was given a 2 year contract, only to be removed by the Aussies a month later.
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Bowyer was unable to provide updates on the contract offers made to winger Tariqe Fosu and midfielder Joe Aribo.
He said: “I know they have been offered but I don’t know what the plans are – that is between the owner, the agent and the players. I don’t get involved in all that.
“I only say who I think our assets are, I was asked who are assets are, and I told him [Roland Duchatelet] that. I’m sure something will get sorted at some stage.”
https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/you-need-to-talk-posh-in-the-boardroon-and-proper-geezer-to-the-fans/
Could we be run any worse right now?
The problems isn't that Bowyer isn't involved, but rather that Roland is involved...
We can't, in fairness, blame Bowyer for the abnormal situation the club is in.
All very well at the top level where you are buying multi million pound players and you know the quality you are getting. Not so for our end with freebies and cast offs. The managers who do well at our level know the lower leagues and players in it. Choose those that fit what they want in terms of football and character.
Could you imagine Curbs or Powell not being involved in what “the plans are” it’s ludicrous.
Players, surely, sign for a Manager as much as they do a club. That's why Paolo Di Canio was persuaded to play at the Valley. And why it's utterly depressing we don't have a football figurehead securing our better players on long-term contracts and signing additions and, instead, we have a short-term trainer looking after bleep tests weight loss, while telling his boss which players might be worth a few quid if they're sold quick sharp.
Bowyer could be a good manager. That's what makes it so frustrating that he hasn't either been given the job or been replaced.
If Bowyer is obliged to play Tony Keohane as a central defender, he can smile winningly, and with that cheeky eye twinkle and down to earth tone he can simply say 'it is what it is'.
Sorted.
Bowyer could sell himself, but any potential signing knows that if/once the takeover happens, everything could change, and we could have someone else in charge
Duchatelet is responsible for this situation, but I don’t think others should go along with it.
With that in limbo, I'm not sure what else RD could do than keep Bowyer as a caretaker, it would be ridiculous if Bowyer was given a 2 year contract, only to be removed by the Aussies a month later.