50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
So nothing in what he says has any merit? You had better start to find some common ground. Divided and Conquered.
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
88% agreed that the protests should continue
By the way, 80% were very negative about the future under RD and 15% quite negative so overall that makes 95%. Prague was being kind...
If anyone has any issues with how representative or not the sample of 750+ may be, there is an easy answer - that the club do a survey of their own database (not just current season ticket holders).
The Trust survey was obviously going to show that type of result when it's members and those on here were the ones surveyed.
Buy a few clipboards and stand outside the ground on match days and that will give you a much truer reflection on what people really think.
only that won't include circa 40% of season ticket holders from last year.
If they don't go to games, do their views really matter ? Even most boycotting protesters turn up occasionally so a cross view survey is still likely to get an indication of what fans think
There's a certain Belgian....
In fairness, I don't give a flying **** for his views, I just want him gone.
I dont have an issue with his comments, he is entitled to them. He has tangled logic though....on the one hand he is criticising CARD's disruption of the game and on the other he is criticising the boycotters. I'm not convinced that every boycotter is pro CARD and certainly if they were they would come out in much bigger numbers when the planned protests take place.
We have a completely split support base at the moment and that is exactly what I think this particular management team set out to do. Divide and conquer. The end game is football no longer being viable in a stadium more suited to Championship or Premier league football crowds. Forget Target 10K or 20K...they are aiming for Target zero or at the very least a much reduced sized Stadium with tower blocks full of high valued flats close to a mainline railway station 20 minutes from the city...meanwhile the club gets funded by selling off its young up and coming players which will easily offset the severely reduced crowds.....win/win for RD....he may look like a fool and act like one too but mark my words he has a plan.
I don't think we do. There are people who have different views about the protests, but there are very few who believe Duchatelet and Meire are good for the club, because the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. There's also a huge PR effort to pretend that the discontent is about a tiny number of people, but the media aren't buying it because it's obviously counter-factual.
I think some of the comments made between my post and page 5 shows there is a split in our support.....there is no doubt the anti Regime side is in the majority, the attendances prove that. There is no clear cut divide, Ive seen a lot of anti CARD posts on FB which I personally dont agree with. Its a complicated mix....those that boycott but dont actively support the protests, those that support the protests but still attend, those that attend and dont support the protests and those that attend and are vocally anti protest in their views to those who sit around them....so it clearly shows a split in our support base...I never said what the percentages where neither would I presume to know, but there is growing discontent with the protests. Personally I've said before that boycotting is playing into their hands. We have been most effective when we have had numbers at games and unsettled them....you only have to look at the ott reactions regarding security at the Burnley game and more recently Coventry.
The protests both at home and in Belgium have been 100% effective in showing the wider world what a bunch of numpties RD has employed to run the club. But has he done anything about it? Does he show any signs of wanting to sell up?
All any of us can do is speculate what he wants to achieve by owning the football club.
We need to find out what he actually aims to achieve by owning Charlton, this will then give us the ammunition to bring him down.
I think this Jim (or someone very like him) must be the bloke I had a conversation with in Lower North block A who blamed CARD for almost everything; including the empty ground. We are in a post-fact world, people. Soak it up.
Protest at Sheff U game felt flat. I think the in-game stuff has probably run its course, unless there's a big turnout. I don't think a big turnout is at all likely while the football is s**t, even without the boycotters.
Ultimately, no campaign succeeds because everyone agrees with it. It succeeds because its aims are met: there doesn't even need to be a majority (as this year of all years should tell us). What there does need to be is pressure applied where it hurts Roland, so kudos to all those who have protested in Belgium. People like this shouldn't be ignored, but equally their views are not likely to stop the campaign - I suspect that only apathy can do that.
The problem is that not all of the people staying away are boycotting. Some are just fed up with the rubbish they are witnessing. That is why I believe the protests are so important. We need to have the club being run properly so these people want to go again before it is too late - if it is already not too late. We have to try to do something rather than just watch it happen!
We need positivity on the pitch over a sustained period. This is an example of the ignorance and stupidity within the club. With a product as poor as ours starting a target 20k is a joke. You have to get the club on an upward trajectory then when the mood around the place is positive look at increasing the crowds.
There are many Charlton fans who can be classed as a better supporter than me - but I have been going since 1975 - when I was 11. I have beena season ticket holder for many years but was going to virtually every game before that. I went to all the sellout games. My son was christened at the Valley. I'm looking at my Christmas tree as I type and it has Fing Charlton baubles on it!. I have been to the Valley four times this season with my son - my wife who was a season ticket holder too hasn't gone at all.I used to spend a lot on kits for the family and general Charlton tat from the club shop - I don't spend a penny at and in the ground anymore. I haven't had one bit of correspondence from the club -somebody who had Valley Floyd Road played at his wedding ceromony - they are incompetent. I was a Valley Gold memeber from the start, before leaving this year. Just show me that you are bothered FFS! But they clearly aren't. It isn't about me, but all the fans like me who have stopped going. My mates for a couple of hours on a Saturday who have stopped going too.
If they start being competent, the protests will stop. That is all they have to do, rather than trying to spin things here and there. But they have shown no signs of being able to do this. There is an important window coming up - I'd say the next 2 or 3 windows will be very important, but you have to start somewhere. We all pretty much know what needs to be done - Robinson will know - I doubt it will be done. Despite some good signings here and there, they always seem to cock it up. That is because that is what incompetents do. Those fans waiting for them to suddenly become competent are guilty of wishful thinking in my opinion. As Othello said - 'Give me the ocular proof '. That is all I am asking for. If they have a Scrooge like transformation and start doing things right for a change they will be on track to solving the issue with the fans. Don't hold your breath though - I certainly won't be holding mine. Even if they have one decent window, it is the next and the next that needs maintaining. They need to show us they are no longer incompetent. Not tell us - show us! I find incompetents usually stay incompetent though - don't you?
"Entitled to his opinion" as dozens have said already.....but that won't change anything. Protests have to continue.
Shame that there are quite a few who are too "bored" to fight for the future of the club. No doubt they will be celebrating and trying to take glory when the Belgians finally do leave though.
We all know what will kill the protests - that is the club being run properly and starting to move forwards over a sustained period. That isn't scraping back into the championship through the plays offs although it would be a start. It is seeing the right decisions being made more than the wrong ones, it is about not fighting the fans. Rather than employ a comms team Meire should start trying to run the club properly. I honestly don't believe she can and the fact that she continues to be employed by Duchatelet makes him unfit to own us. It seems the club and some fans want the rest of us to get behind them both when there is absolutely no evidence they can do. That particular ball is in their court. Actions speak louder than words.
I was willing to give him a chance - but I knew Slade's shortcomings before he was appointed. His was a typical ill informed appointment that has littered the club under this mob.
There is online anti card feeling. I have read support of this letter calling protesting fans hooligans from a fan that has said the protests are not aggresive enough - saying we should do things like storming Duchatelet's office and invading the pitch. Waste of time arguing with this crap. The protests have got coverage across the globe and the protests have been measured to keep the media and outsiders onside. If the anti CARD/anti protest fans want to get together that is their right - in fact I say to them, prove you can get even 5% of the protesters support mobilised.
It's nepotism, pure and simple. She is not employed because she is the best person to be CEO of Charlton, it is because Roly wanted to give her a job. That's why he won't get rid of her, and that's also why she's no good at it.
I'm 69 years old, I have followed Charlton since 1957 I support the protests wholeheartedly. The lunatics running the club are the ones killing it. Please do not insult me or my intelligence Mr Tucker.
50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
So nothing in what he says has any merit? You had better start to find some common ground. Divided and Conquered.
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
88% agreed that the protests should continue
By the way, 80% were very negative about the future under RD and 15% quite negative so overall that makes 95%. Prague was being kind...
If anyone has any issues with how representative or not the sample of 750+ may be, there is an easy answer - that the club do a survey of their own database (not just current season ticket holders).
The Trust survey was obviously going to show that type of result when it's members and those on here were the ones surveyed.
Buy a few clipboards and stand outside the ground on match days and that will give you a much truer reflection on what people really think.
only that won't include circa 40% of season ticket holders from last year.
If they don't go to games, do their views really matter ? Even most boycotting protesters turn up occasionally so a cross view survey is still likely to get an indication of what fans think
The exact argument put forward by the inner core of SE7 Valiants. Anyone who boycotts is by definition not a real fan, in fact anyone who does not regularly attend cannot be a real fan, although they graciously did make exceptions for those with financial or geographical excuses. It's a playground logic ...
What the writer should've thought before publishing this nonsense is how did CARD form in the first place. Even so, does this writer support Roland and his actions since taking over?
It is his right to have his view as it is a protesters right to protest. I don't think he has the right to refer to people as hooligans when they are clearly not though!
Her: As u know I have supported cafc all my life and would have moved hell or high water to get to games and myself have gone above and beyond. It's now a relationship I'm not happy in and that is purely down to the owners. No one makes people throw things on the pitch that is choice and if you choice wither option doesn't mean you don't support the team. I'm sorry u have been abused but fans are turning against each other because of their views and that's wrong. But I back card and will continue to do so. So that in the future I still have a club to support
Me: Jim, can't you get one fact right? So far this season we have picked up 16 points at home and 11 away... Plus a good home win in the FA cup. I simply don't believe a word you say. I really will stop my part in the discussion now.
Him: Well your a mug not one big win at home we play better away and that's a fact we played more better because it's easy to play with no pressure and that's a fact plus you said Mr Norris lost money to the bank but most of his money was lost AT GETTING CHARLTON BACK HOME AND IS A FACT WE WENT BOLTON INE YEAR 76 FANS BUT NEXT AWAY GAME WE TAKE 10,000 to Manchester united so how does that work out and that's a fact did you travel to selhurst every home game or travel over this country for games and getting people laugh at you or call us a little club who have no fans and people took the piss and my friend sums up everything about our club this man won't sell and that's a fact and he is giving the manager what ever he needs but the committee will discuss what they will or won't so end of COYRNBAW
This is the kind of utter cretin we are up against.
This fells has recently popped up on the SE7 Valiants group. He's been spouting exactly the same rubbish on there. In fact it looks like he's copied and pasted large sections of it. He has no logic and both reasoning and less than no facts. It is impossible to debate with someone like that.
My guess is that he is an older man who doesn't have access to all of the information we have through the internet etc. and blames the protesters mainly for the fact there is so much unrest at the club.
I think this is not uncommon for the some of the older fans. Maybe we should give them all a copy of GTKTN or some other bits.
Do only younger people truly understand these things or have valid opinions?
His age is irrelevant.
I'm just saying the only people I have spoken to who are vocal against the protests are of retirement age or older.
My dad's 84. He keeps telling me the protests need to be stepped up.
my parents are 85 and 82 and both still season ticket holders. They are anti-regime but too old to even join in with 'stand up if you want them out' although my Mum sings along. Although having an ipad and internet access they don't know about much that goes on unless I let them know.
I feel that the great percentage of fans are anti-regime but are fed-up with the match protests as they see them as not being effective because the regime are still here. Maybe we need to go back to some after match protests? I think the opinion is that alternative ways of protesting need to be found and I'm sure that those behind CARD will come up with ideas as to how best do this.
Great post Large.
We also need to stop lumping anti match day protesters with pro regime, its just not the case. As Airman states most people are for the regime going, a small percentage of them simply because of the divisive effect they have had on the club and fans. Also, it does not hurt to have dissenting voices, because they cause us to question and continually validate what is being done and the reasons for it.
Her: As u know I have supported cafc all my life and would have moved hell or high water to get to games and myself have gone above and beyond. It's now a relationship I'm not happy in and that is purely down to the owners. No one makes people throw things on the pitch that is choice and if you choice wither option doesn't mean you don't support the team. I'm sorry u have been abused but fans are turning against each other because of their views and that's wrong. But I back card and will continue to do so. So that in the future I still have a club to support
Me: Jim, can't you get one fact right? So far this season we have picked up 16 points at home and 11 away... Plus a good home win in the FA cup. I simply don't believe a word you say. I really will stop my part in the discussion now.
Him: Well your a mug not one big win at home we play better away and that's a fact we played more better because it's easy to play with no pressure and that's a fact plus you said Mr Norris lost money to the bank but most of his money was lost AT GETTING CHARLTON BACK HOME AND IS A FACT WE WENT BOLTON INE YEAR 76 FANS BUT NEXT AWAY GAME WE TAKE 10,000 to Manchester united so how does that work out and that's a fact did you travel to selhurst every home game or travel over this country for games and getting people laugh at you or call us a little club who have no fans and people took the piss and my friend sums up everything about our club this man won't sell and that's a fact and he is giving the manager what ever he needs but the committee will discuss what they will or won't so end of COYRNBAW
This is the kind of utter cretin we are up against.
This fells has recently popped up on the SE7 Valiants group. He's been spouting exactly the same rubbish on there. In fact it looks like he's copied and pasted large sections of it. He has no logic and both reasoning and less than no facts. It is impossible to debate with someone like that.
He's probably already been made an administrator on SE7 Valiants if he's saying the same things there.
Her: As u know I have supported cafc all my life and would have moved hell or high water to get to games and myself have gone above and beyond. It's now a relationship I'm not happy in and that is purely down to the owners. No one makes people throw things on the pitch that is choice and if you choice wither option doesn't mean you don't support the team. I'm sorry u have been abused but fans are turning against each other because of their views and that's wrong. But I back card and will continue to do so. So that in the future I still have a club to support
Me: Jim, can't you get one fact right? So far this season we have picked up 16 points at home and 11 away... Plus a good home win in the FA cup. I simply don't believe a word you say. I really will stop my part in the discussion now.
Him: Well your a mug not one big win at home we play better away and that's a fact we played more better because it's easy to play with no pressure and that's a fact plus you said Mr Norris lost money to the bank but most of his money was lost AT GETTING CHARLTON BACK HOME AND IS A FACT WE WENT BOLTON INE YEAR 76 FANS BUT NEXT AWAY GAME WE TAKE 10,000 to Manchester united so how does that work out and that's a fact did you travel to selhurst every home game or travel over this country for games and getting people laugh at you or call us a little club who have no fans and people took the piss and my friend sums up everything about our club this man won't sell and that's a fact and he is giving the manager what ever he needs but the committee will discuss what they will or won't so end of COYRNBAW
This is the kind of utter cretin we are up against.
This fells has recently popped up on the SE7 Valiants group. He's been spouting exactly the same rubbish on there. In fact it looks like he's copied and pasted large sections of it. He has no logic and both reasoning and less than no facts. It is impossible to debate with someone like that.
He's probably already been made an administrator on SE7 Valiants if he's saying the same things there.
I took the time time to reply to one of his near incomprehensible posts. To which he replied even more incomprehensible rubbish ending with something about me and CARD needing timeout eff off. I ignored his eff off comments and asked him if he could explain what his post was saying as the lack of punctuation made it impossible to understand.
He proceeded to question my intelligence so I, slightly patronisingly explained the basics of punctuation to him.
Sue then wades in and gives me a stern talking to having ignored his 'eff off' and insults.
It is all part of a gradual and ongoing PR campaign to divide the protests and to try to convince the media that they are being undertaken by a small, vociferous group who are not wanted by the majority of 'real' supporters. We have seen this since the start of the season and it will continue.
Well at least Mr Tucker did not blame CARD for last night's result, or in this case whilst the game was going on.
As of 20:59hrs on the Clubs official Facebook page
"What a load of uselessness we have as a team. I never thought I would say this but I have given up"
Another over the top reaction?
Not at all mate, I feel the same as you and i think that plenty others feel the same. We will not get our passion for Charlton back all the while Roland and squirrel are poisoning it. Just sell the club and let the fans start believing again
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In fairness, I don't give a flying **** for his views, I just want him gone.
The protests both at home and in Belgium have been 100% effective in showing the wider world what a bunch of numpties RD has employed to run the club. But has he done anything about it? Does he show any signs of wanting to sell up?
All any of us can do is speculate what he wants to achieve by owning the football club.
We need to find out what he actually aims to achieve by owning Charlton, this will then give us the ammunition to bring him down.
I wish I could think of the effective event.
We are in a post-fact world, people. Soak it up.
Protest at Sheff U game felt flat. I think the in-game stuff has probably run its course, unless there's a big turnout. I don't think a big turnout is at all likely while the football is s**t, even without the boycotters.
Ultimately, no campaign succeeds because everyone agrees with it. It succeeds because its aims are met: there doesn't even need to be a majority (as this year of all years should tell us). What there does need to be is pressure applied where it hurts Roland, so kudos to all those who have protested in Belgium. People like this shouldn't be ignored, but equally their views are not likely to stop the campaign - I suspect that only apathy can do that.
We need positivity on the pitch over a sustained period. This is an example of the ignorance and stupidity within the club. With a product as poor as ours starting a target 20k is a joke. You have to get the club on an upward trajectory then when the mood around the place is positive look at increasing the crowds.
There are many Charlton fans who can be classed as a better supporter than me - but I have been going since 1975 - when I was 11. I have beena season ticket holder for many years but was going to virtually every game before that. I went to all the sellout games. My son was christened at the Valley. I'm looking at my Christmas tree as I type and it has Fing Charlton baubles on it!. I have been to the Valley four times this season with my son - my wife who was a season ticket holder too hasn't gone at all.I used to spend a lot on kits for the family and general Charlton tat from the club shop - I don't spend a penny at and in the ground anymore. I haven't had one bit of correspondence from the club -somebody who had Valley Floyd Road played at his wedding ceromony - they are incompetent. I was a Valley Gold memeber from the start, before leaving this year. Just show me that you are bothered FFS! But they clearly aren't. It isn't about me, but all the fans like me who have stopped going. My mates for a couple of hours on a Saturday who have stopped going too.
If they start being competent, the protests will stop. That is all they have to do, rather than trying to spin things here and there. But they have shown no signs of being able to do this. There is an important window coming up - I'd say the next 2 or 3 windows will be very important, but you have to start somewhere. We all pretty much know what needs to be done - Robinson will know - I doubt it will be done. Despite some good signings here and there, they always seem to cock it up. That is because that is what incompetents do. Those fans waiting for them to suddenly become competent are guilty of wishful thinking in my opinion. As Othello said - 'Give me the ocular proof '. That is all I am asking for. If they have a Scrooge like transformation and start doing things right for a change they will be on track to solving the issue with the fans. Don't hold your breath though - I certainly won't be holding mine. Even if they have one decent window, it is the next and the next that needs maintaining. They need to show us they are no longer incompetent. Not tell us - show us! I find incompetents usually stay incompetent though - don't you?
Shame that there are quite a few who are too "bored" to fight for the future of the club. No doubt they will be celebrating and trying to take glory when the Belgians finally do leave though.
..just sayin
Incompetent - not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully e.g. The CAFC Senior Management Team.
We also need to stop lumping anti match day protesters with pro regime, its just not the case. As Airman states most people are for the regime going, a small percentage of them simply because of the divisive effect they have had on the club and fans. Also, it does not hurt to have dissenting voices, because they cause us to question and continually validate what is being done and the reasons for it.
I took the time time to reply to one of his near incomprehensible posts. To which he replied even more incomprehensible rubbish ending with something about me and CARD needing timeout eff off. I ignored his eff off comments and asked him if he could explain what his post was saying as the lack of punctuation made it impossible to understand.
He proceeded to question my intelligence so I, slightly patronisingly explained the basics of punctuation to him.
Sue then wades in and gives me a stern talking to having ignored his 'eff off' and insults.
As of 20:59hrs on the Clubs official Facebook page
"What a load of uselessness we have as a team. I never thought I would say this but I have given up"
Another over the top reaction?
We will not get our passion for Charlton back all the while Roland and squirrel are poisoning it.
Just sell the club and let the fans start believing again