Yes, 10x worse than Fraeye. Fraeye was behind from the start with low morale, questionable commitment from players etc. On the other hand, Slade came in, spent well over a million on his own players in league 1 and has produced the worst performances I've ever seen as a Charlton fan. Against teams like Swindon, Rochdale and AFCW. He's an absolute joke with no tactical knowledge, no attacking mindset and clearly can't inspire the team to play. Simply isn't up to it.
Dont forget what the players have said about them:
Didnt the likes of Solly come out saying that Fraeye was a nice bloke but not too bright with his ideas whilst he feels that Slade does know what he's doing.
i.e. I couldnt imagine Slade getting sacked so quick at somewhere like Lommel Utd
No where near the worst we've ever had... Is even stupid to ask the question
i.e. Yes we were poor yesterday but as the SKY Commentators said yesterday, the counter-attack is such a big part of the game these days and we couldnt do it yesterday because we didnt have the pace to get us up field - Was that Slade's fault that we didnt have Lookman / Botaka (as cover for Holmes) and Magennis?
If anything Slade's achilles heal is that he'll look at a game and will try to get a point rather than just risk it all and go for the win.
The opposite to Luzon who'd look at a game and go all out to win and most likely we'd end up with nothing because of it
It was Slade that picked a slow geriatric midfield and no width. If there was no pace then it was down to him alone. He had younger hungry players he could have used but he didn't because he's a cup half empty, negative coach with no lateral thinking.
Yes Duchatelet and his minions are the root cause of our shameful predicament but what happens on the training ground and on the pitch are down to the man Slade. He's absolutely useless, clueless and can't even get the players looking like they can be bothered never mind having some actual tactics.
So who should have played out wide from the start... Hanlan? (Who is a Striker and has yet to start for us let alone out wide)... Aribo who has only played in Checkatrade games?
Yes Slade has had all week on the training ground but all season he's worked with the same tactics yet, suddenly because of the loss of four players he's had to change that within one week!!
So let's get shot of Aribo and Charles-Cook, what's the point of having them if when there is a golden opportunity for one or both to come in the manager sticks with what he has already seen to be and knows are too slow and not going to work. It's up to Slade to use the players at his disposal to best advantage when you lose players for whatever reason. He doesn't take the slightest chance of doing anything that might have a positive impact. He's fearful and negative in the extreme.
We were not playing Arsenal. We were playing Swindon fucking Town who have not be setting the division alight themselves yet tore us a new one.
Was pleased with the appointment of Slade as thought he did a decent job at Cardiff and a good job at the Os but so far he's definitely been a disappointment - even allowing for the unbalanced nature of the squad which isn't all his fault.
Chesterfield was a must-win game otherwise I think he could have been sacked and Port Vale now looks the same given the performance yesterday, even allowing for the absentees
I'm currently reading a book called The Nowhere Men which is based on the world of scouting.
One chapter is a open discussion with a number of scouts.
Barry Lloyd was Chief Scout at Brighton and Slade was Manager.
Slade asked if Barry had seen Liam Dickinson, Barry replied once. He Waddles around the pitch, he can't fucking jump, his first touch is crap, cant head the ball.
Slade said he is playing for Leeds at the moment, Barry said fine I have a word with the lads up north and have a look on my laptop.
One of the lads watch him and said only thing he didn't do was put his hands in his pockets.
3 Days later the chairman rings Barry saying they agreed a fee with Derby for him. Barry replied have you seen the reports?
Derby brought him from Stockport he wasn't good enough went straight out on loan to Huddersfield, Blackpool then Leeds and wanted him gone.
Russell came out with I want him and that's the end of the story, within a month, trying to offload him on loan, because he is so bad and Russell didn't last longer then another couple of months.
Ajose is a prime example of his piss poor management, he scored 24 goals last year in a team that finished mid table...'this season he literally can't get a kick and looks completely demotivated.!
Look at the stats - 4 defeats in 16 games (IE a result in 75% of the matches) and tight at the back, not conceding, despite yesterday.
He's inherited a squad in turmoil, brought in 10+ new first team regulars and my guess would be he's trying to bed them all down, get them used to each other, avoid defeat whilst he does that and revive their morale. The latter is possibly the most difficult bit given how frayed it has become since 2015.
Quite frankly the continued abuse of the players isn't helping anyone now, and never did help anyone.
On the downside.......Slade shows a level of caution that is often unwarranted, and he does seem unimaginative. A typical English manager in many ways........
With another 4-5 points we'd be in the frame for the Play Offs and we all know which games those points could easily have come from.
So: it's frustrating. But he isn't the worst. (And I'm surprised to see Alan Mullery even mentioned in that category in the opening post).
Fraeye is the worst manager we've ever had. The bloke could never be good enough for the level he was brought into and he quite simply stole a living. There should be laws.
I kind of see Slade as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Slade is good in small teams with no expectations beyond survival. Before yesterday we had the second best defence in the league, and that works brilliantly if you're Yeovil. Draw against decent teams, nick wins here and watch the confidence grow. When you're a recently relegated team with the players and the expectations that go with being a little bit bigger, setting up to not lose against Port Vale just doesn't cut it. Unfortunately, Slade just doesn't know another way to play, which is why they hated him so much at Cardiff. He's obviously a decent enough administrator and I think he can organise, but he's completely the wrong fit for Charlton at the moment. We needed someone to come in and try to breed a bit of positivity in a league that frankly is filled with some complete chuff. The level of teams we've played this season hasn't got near what we were dealing with in 2011/12, and we've completely wasted the opportunity to build some momentum
sorting out the worst from some of the muppets who've had the front to call themselves 'Charlton Athletic Managers', is not easy .. I want Slade out .. BUT he's only been here for a short time .. still possible that he'll be given more time to make a complete loser of himself and be voted 'man most likely to .. NOT'
Slade isn't a manager in the accepted sense of the word so unfair to judge him as such.
When you consider both autonomy and resources made available to him my view is that Alan Pardew is Charlton's worse manager since I started supporting in 1963.
Slade isn't a manager in the accepted sense of the word so unfair to judge him as such.
When you consider both autonomy and resources made available to him my view is that Alan Pardew is Charlton's worse manager since I started supporting in 1963.
I wouldn't say pardew is our worse manager but he is the one i hate the most
Maybe I have been a little harsh on Brussel - guess it is just the current shite climate he operates in.But even taking that into account his idea of football just bores me to tears
Maybe I have been a little harsh on Brussel - guess it is just the current shite climate he operates in.But even taking that into account his idea of football just bores me to tears
Thanks for typing this and saving me doing so. The bloke is as limited tactically as I have seen possibly bar Fraeye. I'm not saying he might not have other qualities, but he has to be stubborn or thick - possibly both! The sooner we get rid, the more chance we have of salvaging our season. Agree with giving it to JJ too. Look, we could give it to a chimp and do better, so let's see what JJ can do.
I ask that question having supported the team for nearly 50 years.
We have been blessed with many piss poor managers -Fraeye,Reed,Dowie,Mullery,Craggs over the years and the Network dross.
I should state my hatred for the Regime - how they have divided the fan base and how they are slowly killing our club. That said I am always one for drawing a line in the sand and moving forward. The appointment of Slade though not the greatest manager out there at the time gave me room for optimisim of a good season ahead. Lets face it we had all been crying out for a British manager and with his experience I felt would bring stability and and at least a top 6 finish. The spine of the team - Rudd,Bauer,Ulvestad,Magennis,Lookman and Holmes is good enough to walk into any team in this league and probably at least good enough for most championship teams. Add in Ajose ( 25 gls last season) Teixeira ( probably our best defender) and Pearce( Captain of Title winning Wigan last season) - that's the nucleus of a decent squad.
So far this season we have failed to beat - Cheltenham,Crawley and Colchester( Yes I am aware of our great Cup history!)
I have seen many a crap performance over the years - but Oldham and Rochdale at home this season took some beating. The first 45 mins at Gillingham against a poor team did not help his cause. Yesterday just drove me to despair. We had just started putting a run together and last weeks performance against a team that seems to be running away with the league so far was our best performance under Slade. And so we go to Swindon - having lost 5 out of their last 6 games and clearly lacking in confidence. Granted we were without key players - but we should have had enough in our squad to have won. But he plays a diamond formation which was never going to suit the players we had available.Yet again he failed to take the game to the opponents and put them on the back foot.I am convinced if we had scored first we would have won comfortably and that would have happened if had started 442 from the start. Why no Ahearne Grant or Aribo or start with Hanlan instead of yet another defensive formation?
I have previously gone on this forum saying we should give Slade time - I WAS WRONG.
Its time for him to go. What fool would want the job - probably not many. For me give it to JJ and Euell - surely we can do no worse ?
I ask that question having supported the team for nearly 50 years.
We have been blessed with many piss poor managers -Fraeye,Reed,Dowie,Mullery,Craggs over the years and the Network dross.
I should state my hatred for the Regime - how they have divided the fan base and how they are slowly killing our club. That said I am always one for drawing a line in the sand and moving forward. The appointment of Slade though not the greatest manager out there at the time gave me room for optimisim of a good season ahead. Lets face it we had all been crying out for a British manager and with his experience I felt would bring stability and and at least a top 6 finish. The spine of the team - Rudd,Bauer,Ulvestad,Magennis,Lookman and Holmes is good enough to walk into any team in this league and probably at least good enough for most championship teams. Add in Ajose ( 25 gls last season) Teixeira ( probably our best defender) and Pearce( Captain of Title winning Wigan last season) - that's the nucleus of a decent squad.
So far this season we have failed to beat - Cheltenham,Crawley and Colchester( Yes I am aware of our great Cup history!)
I have seen many a crap performance over the years - but Oldham and Rochdale at home this season took some beating. The first 45 mins at Gillingham against a poor team did not help his cause. Yesterday just drove me to despair. We had just started putting a run together and last weeks performance against a team that seems to be running away with the league so far was our best performance under Slade. And so we go to Swindon - having lost 5 out of their last 6 games and clearly lacking in confidence. Granted we were without key players - but we should have had enough in our squad to have won. But he plays a diamond formation which was never going to suit the players we had available.Yet again he failed to take the game to the opponents and put them on the back foot.I am convinced if we had scored first we would have won comfortably and that would have happened if had started 442 from the start. Why no Ahearne Grant or Aribo or start with Hanlan instead of yet another defensive formation?
I have previously gone on this forum saying we should give Slade time - I WAS WRONG.
Its time for him to go. What fool would want the job - probably not many. For me give it to JJ and Euell - surely we can do no worse ?
Thanks for typing this and saving me doing so. The bloke is as limited tactically as I have seen possibly bar Fraeye. I'm not saying he might not have other qualities, but he has to be stubborn or thick - possibly both! The sooner we get rid, the more chance we have of salvaging our season. Agree with giving it to JJ too. Look, we could give it to a chimp and do better, so let's see what JJ can do.
Giving it to Jackson would be an easy option to appease the fans and this could backfire badly with his lack of experience.
Having said that we have nothing to lose to be honest.
I ask that question having supported the team for nearly 50 years.
We have been blessed with many piss poor managers -Fraeye,Reed,Dowie,Mullery,Craggs over the years and the Network dross.
I should state my hatred for the Regime - how they have divided the fan base and how they are slowly killing our club. That said I am always one for drawing a line in the sand and moving forward. The appointment of Slade though not the greatest manager out there at the time gave me room for optimisim of a good season ahead. Lets face it we had all been crying out for a British manager and with his experience I felt would bring stability and and at least a top 6 finish. The spine of the team - Rudd,Bauer,Ulvestad,Magennis,Lookman and Holmes is good enough to walk into any team in this league and probably at least good enough for most championship teams. Add in Ajose ( 25 gls last season) Teixeira ( probably our best defender) and Pearce( Captain of Title winning Wigan last season) - that's the nucleus of a decent squad.
So far this season we have failed to beat - Cheltenham,Crawley and Colchester( Yes I am aware of our great Cup history!)
I have seen many a crap performance over the years - but Oldham and Rochdale at home this season took some beating. The first 45 mins at Gillingham against a poor team did not help his cause. Yesterday just drove me to despair. We had just started putting a run together and last weeks performance against a team that seems to be running away with the league so far was our best performance under Slade. And so we go to Swindon - having lost 5 out of their last 6 games and clearly lacking in confidence. Granted we were without key players - but we should have had enough in our squad to have won. But he plays a diamond formation which was never going to suit the players we had available.Yet again he failed to take the game to the opponents and put them on the back foot.I am convinced if we had scored first we would have won comfortably and that would have happened if had started 442 from the start. Why no Ahearne Grant or Aribo or start with Hanlan instead of yet another defensive formation?
I have previously gone on this forum saying we should give Slade time - I WAS WRONG.
Its time for him to go. What fool would want the job - probably not many. For me give it to JJ and Euell - surely we can do no worse ?
I ask that question having supported the team for nearly 50 years.
We have been blessed with many piss poor managers -Fraeye,Reed,Dowie,Mullery,Craggs over the years and the Network dross.
I should state my hatred for the Regime - how they have divided the fan base and how they are slowly killing our club. That said I am always one for drawing a line in the sand and moving forward. The appointment of Slade though not the greatest manager out there at the time gave me room for optimisim of a good season ahead. Lets face it we had all been crying out for a British manager and with his experience I felt would bring stability and and at least a top 6 finish. The spine of the team - Rudd,Bauer,Ulvestad,Magennis,Lookman and Holmes is good enough to walk into any team in this league and probably at least good enough for most championship teams. Add in Ajose ( 25 gls last season) Teixeira ( probably our best defender) and Pearce( Captain of Title winning Wigan last season) - that's the nucleus of a decent squad.
So far this season we have failed to beat - Cheltenham,Crawley and Colchester( Yes I am aware of our great Cup history!)
I have seen many a crap performance over the years - but Oldham and Rochdale at home this season took some beating. The first 45 mins at Gillingham against a poor team did not help his cause. Yesterday just drove me to despair. We had just started putting a run together and last weeks performance against a team that seems to be running away with the league so far was our best performance under Slade. And so we go to Swindon - having lost 5 out of their last 6 games and clearly lacking in confidence. Granted we were without key players - but we should have had enough in our squad to have won. But he plays a diamond formation which was never going to suit the players we had available.Yet again he failed to take the game to the opponents and put them on the back foot.I am convinced if we had scored first we would have won comfortably and that would have happened if had started 442 from the start. Why no Ahearne Grant or Aribo or start with Hanlan instead of yet another defensive formation?
I have previously gone on this forum saying we should give Slade time - I WAS WRONG.
Its time for him to go. What fool would want the job - probably not many. For me give it to JJ and Euell - surely we can do no worse ?
Thanks for typing this and saving me doing so. The bloke is as limited tactically as I have seen possibly bar Fraeye. I'm not saying he might not have other qualities, but he has to be stubborn or thick - possibly both! The sooner we get rid, the more chance we have of salvaging our season. Agree with giving it to JJ too. Look, we could give it to a chimp and do better, so let's see what JJ can do.
Giving it to Jackson would be an easy option to appease the fans and this could backfire badly with his lack of experience.
Having said that we have nothing to lose to be honest.
Fraeye was completely incompetent in every way. Dowie was completely inappropriate. Les Reed was the wrong guy, in the wrong position at the wrong time. Pardew was, and remains, a putz.
Slade is not great by any stretch. Is he better than Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Riga?
I ask that question having supported the team for nearly 50 years.
We have been blessed with many piss poor managers -Fraeye,Reed,Dowie,Mullery,Craggs over the years and the Network dross.
I should state my hatred for the Regime - how they have divided the fan base and how they are slowly killing our club. That said I am always one for drawing a line in the sand and moving forward. The appointment of Slade though not the greatest manager out there at the time gave me room for optimisim of a good season ahead. Lets face it we had all been crying out for a British manager and with his experience I felt would bring stability and and at least a top 6 finish. The spine of the team - Rudd,Bauer,Ulvestad,Magennis,Lookman and Holmes is good enough to walk into any team in this league and probably at least good enough for most championship teams. Add in Ajose ( 25 gls last season) Teixeira ( probably our best defender) and Pearce( Captain of Title winning Wigan last season) - that's the nucleus of a decent squad.
So far this season we have failed to beat - Cheltenham,Crawley and Colchester( Yes I am aware of our great Cup history!)
I have seen many a crap performance over the years - but Oldham and Rochdale at home this season took some beating. The first 45 mins at Gillingham against a poor team did not help his cause. Yesterday just drove me to despair. We had just started putting a run together and last weeks performance against a team that seems to be running away with the league so far was our best performance under Slade. And so we go to Swindon - having lost 5 out of their last 6 games and clearly lacking in confidence. Granted we were without key players - but we should have had enough in our squad to have won. But he plays a diamond formation which was never going to suit the players we had available.Yet again he failed to take the game to the opponents and put them on the back foot.I am convinced if we had scored first we would have won comfortably and that would have happened if had started 442 from the start. Why no Ahearne Grant or Aribo or start with Hanlan instead of yet another defensive formation?
I have previously gone on this forum saying we should give Slade time - I WAS WRONG.
Its time for him to go. What fool would want the job - probably not many. For me give it to JJ and Euell - surely we can do no worse ?
I ask that question having supported the team for nearly 50 years.
We have been blessed with many piss poor managers -Fraeye,Reed,Dowie,Mullery,Craggs over the years and the Network dross.
I should state my hatred for the Regime - how they have divided the fan base and how they are slowly killing our club. That said I am always one for drawing a line in the sand and moving forward. The appointment of Slade though not the greatest manager out there at the time gave me room for optimisim of a good season ahead. Lets face it we had all been crying out for a British manager and with his experience I felt would bring stability and and at least a top 6 finish. The spine of the team - Rudd,Bauer,Ulvestad,Magennis,Lookman and Holmes is good enough to walk into any team in this league and probably at least good enough for most championship teams. Add in Ajose ( 25 gls last season) Teixeira ( probably our best defender) and Pearce( Captain of Title winning Wigan last season) - that's the nucleus of a decent squad.
So far this season we have failed to beat - Cheltenham,Crawley and Colchester( Yes I am aware of our great Cup history!)
I have seen many a crap performance over the years - but Oldham and Rochdale at home this season took some beating. The first 45 mins at Gillingham against a poor team did not help his cause. Yesterday just drove me to despair. We had just started putting a run together and last weeks performance against a team that seems to be running away with the league so far was our best performance under Slade. And so we go to Swindon - having lost 5 out of their last 6 games and clearly lacking in confidence. Granted we were without key players - but we should have had enough in our squad to have won. But he plays a diamond formation which was never going to suit the players we had available.Yet again he failed to take the game to the opponents and put them on the back foot.I am convinced if we had scored first we would have won comfortably and that would have happened if had started 442 from the start. Why no Ahearne Grant or Aribo or start with Hanlan instead of yet another defensive formation?
I have previously gone on this forum saying we should give Slade time - I WAS WRONG.
Its time for him to go. What fool would want the job - probably not many. For me give it to JJ and Euell - surely we can do no worse ?
Thanks for typing this and saving me doing so. The bloke is as limited tactically as I have seen possibly bar Fraeye. I'm not saying he might not have other qualities, but he has to be stubborn or thick - possibly both! The sooner we get rid, the more chance we have of salvaging our season. Agree with giving it to JJ too. Look, we could give it to a chimp and do better, so let's see what JJ can do.
Giving it to Jackson would be an easy option to appease the fans and this could backfire badly with his lack of experience.
Having said that we have nothing to lose to be honest.
Jason Euell without a doubt! Jacko is not ready for such a job!
Fraeye was completely incompetent in every way. Dowie was completely inappropriate. Les Reed was the wrong guy, in the wrong position at the wrong time. Pardew was, and remains, a putz.
Slade is not great by any stretch. Is he better than Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Riga?
Not as good as Riga. Better than Fraeye.
Riga Peeters Luzon
Slade Fraeye
The gap from Luzon to Slade is huge!!! And so is S..............novak I'm not saying that it's not fair he's got worse problems!
Dont know if I've ever seen a case where a Managerial Sacking has been handled so badly at the club... Where it was announced over an hour ago on third party websites with nothing on our own
But he was for me the most disappointing. I expected better from him, an experienced manager in a league he knows well, and with many players he brought in
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Didnt the likes of Solly come out saying that Fraeye was a nice bloke but not too bright with his ideas whilst he feels that Slade does know what he's doing.
i.e. I couldnt imagine Slade getting sacked so quick at somewhere like Lommel Utd
We were not playing Arsenal. We were playing Swindon fucking Town who have not be setting the division alight themselves yet tore us a new one.
The man is dragging us down.
Chesterfield was a must-win game otherwise I think he could have been sacked and Port Vale now looks the same given the performance yesterday, even allowing for the absentees
One chapter is a open discussion with a number of scouts.
Barry Lloyd was Chief Scout at Brighton and Slade was Manager.
Slade asked if Barry had seen Liam Dickinson, Barry replied once. He Waddles around the pitch, he can't fucking jump, his first touch is crap, cant head the ball.
Slade said he is playing for Leeds at the moment, Barry said fine I have a word with the lads up north and have a look on my laptop.
One of the lads watch him and said only thing he didn't do was put his hands in his pockets.
3 Days later the chairman rings Barry saying they agreed a fee with Derby for him. Barry replied have you seen the reports?
Derby brought him from Stockport he wasn't good enough went straight out on loan to Huddersfield, Blackpool then Leeds and wanted him gone.
Russell came out with I want him and that's the end of the story, within a month, trying to offload him on loan, because he is so bad and Russell didn't last longer then another couple of months.
Look at the stats - 4 defeats in 16 games (IE a result in 75% of the matches) and tight at the back, not conceding, despite yesterday.
He's inherited a squad in turmoil, brought in 10+ new first team regulars and my guess would be he's trying to bed them all down, get them used to each other, avoid defeat whilst he does that and revive their morale. The latter is possibly the most difficult bit given how frayed it has become since 2015.
Quite frankly the continued abuse of the players isn't helping anyone now, and never did help anyone.
On the downside.......Slade shows a level of caution that is often unwarranted, and he does seem unimaginative. A typical English manager in many ways........
With another 4-5 points we'd be in the frame for the Play Offs and we all know which games those points could easily have come from.
So: it's frustrating. But he isn't the worst. (And I'm surprised to see Alan Mullery even mentioned in that category in the opening post).
I kind of see Slade as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Slade is good in small teams with no expectations beyond survival. Before yesterday we had the second best defence in the league, and that works brilliantly if you're Yeovil. Draw against decent teams, nick wins here and watch the confidence grow. When you're a recently relegated team with the players and the expectations that go with being a little bit bigger, setting up to not lose against Port Vale just doesn't cut it. Unfortunately, Slade just doesn't know another way to play, which is why they hated him so much at Cardiff. He's obviously a decent enough administrator and I think he can organise, but he's completely the wrong fit for Charlton at the moment. We needed someone to come in and try to breed a bit of positivity in a league that frankly is filled with some complete chuff. The level of teams we've played this season hasn't got near what we were dealing with in 2011/12, and we've completely wasted the opportunity to build some momentum
I want Slade out .. BUT he's only been here for a short time .. still possible that he'll be given more time to make a complete loser of himself and be voted 'man most likely to .. NOT'
When you consider both autonomy and resources made available to him my view is that Alan Pardew is Charlton's worse manager since I started supporting in 1963.
Fraeye could only ever be described as a 'manager'.
Thanks for typing this and saving me doing so. The bloke is as limited tactically as I have seen possibly bar Fraeye. I'm not saying he might not have other qualities, but he has to be stubborn or thick - possibly both! The sooner we get rid, the more chance we have of salvaging our season. Agree with giving it to JJ too. Look, we could give it to a chimp and do better, so let's see what JJ can do.
Having said that we have nothing to lose to be honest.
Slade is not great by any stretch. Is he better than Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Riga?
Not as good as Riga. Better than Fraeye.
Peeters
Luzon
Slade
Fraeye
The gap from Luzon to Slade is huge!!! And so is S..............novak I'm not saying that it's not fair he's got worse problems!
the worse manager is always the next one.
Dont know if I've ever seen a case where a Managerial Sacking has been handled so badly at the club... Where it was announced over an hour ago on third party websites with nothing on our own
But he was for me the most disappointing. I expected better from him, an experienced manager in a league he knows well, and with many players he brought in