It was a boring game but we deserved to win and to give RS credit, he played 4-4-2 throughout and his substitutions worked. Ajose looks like a dud in the McLeod mold.
Awful game, we held a lot of possession in the first half but weren't creating the chances from it. Second half was an improvement, Holmes was getting a lot of undeserved slack though...and rightly made a point of celebrating in front of the few fans that had been slagging him off when we scored!
Holmes got stick like any player would he ain't untouchable , some people to like him some don't ,to be fair he tries but at times he runs around like a headless chicken , instead of moving the ball nice and simple But then again we have a few quite similar, he got stick from myself and a few of my mates , but he supplied a cracking cross for the goal and gave the stick back which isn't a problem fair play to him , maybe if Slade gave him a bollocking he might supply crosses like that more often, anyway still a shit performance .
So you and your mates barrack the player who's been the best we've got all season, and who works harder than anyone. How does that make any sense at all? And how is that supposed to help?
Our best player that's your opinion . My opion is as said above and that goes for most of them mediocre players .
Awful game, we held a lot of possession in the first half but weren't creating the chances from it. Second half was an improvement, Holmes was getting a lot of undeserved slack though...and rightly made a point of celebrating in front of the few fans that had been slagging him off when we scored!
Holmes got stick like any player would he ain't untouchable , some people to like him some don't ,to be fair he tries but at times he runs around like a headless chicken , instead of moving the ball nice and simple But then again we have a few quite similar, he got stick from myself and a few of my mates , but he supplied a cracking cross for the goal and gave the stick back which isn't a problem fair play to him , maybe if Slade gave him a bollocking he might supply crosses like that more often, anyway still a shit performance .
So you and your mates barrack the player who's been the best we've got all season, and who works harder than anyone. How does that make any sense at all? And how is that supposed to help?
Our best player that's your opinion . My opion is as said above and that goes for most of them mediocre players .
We're in division 3!
'Mediocre players' goes with the territory. The way to get out of this division is the way Chris Powell did it. Foster a team spirit so that they all work hard for each other and hopefully negate each others weaknesses.
In my view Holmes and Magennis have been our best signings by a street (discounting Rudd as a loan player) and week in week out get the highest marks.
Awful game, we held a lot of possession in the first half but weren't creating the chances from it. Second half was an improvement, Holmes was getting a lot of undeserved slack though...and rightly made a point of celebrating in front of the few fans that had been slagging him off when we scored!
Holmes got stick like any player would he ain't untouchable , some people to like him some don't ,to be fair he tries but at times he runs around like a headless chicken , instead of moving the ball nice and simple But then again we have a few quite similar, he got stick from myself and a few of my mates , but he supplied a cracking cross for the goal and gave the stick back which isn't a problem fair play to him , maybe if Slade gave him a bollocking he might supply crosses like that more often, anyway still a shit performance .
If that's the stick you give to probably our only shining light of a player this season I dread to think what you'd call Crofts if he came near you. He is one of the worst players at Charlton in a long time, up their with Amdy Faye. If we truly have no-one better than him in the club, we're in for a very hard season. There must be a youngster we could give a go. Slades worst decision signing him as a starter for CM. Someone even gave him an 8.5 on the player marks thread!
Crofts you are right is poor and he has been given stick also , look our players are mediocre at best , this Charlton side is poor Holmes to some is the bollocks to some people , ok he works hard but he ain't any different from the rest , he got some stick , replied in the right way with a cracking cross for the goal , and then made a beeline for my mate and gave stick back which wasn't a problem , this team is shocking the football is poor and fans get frustrated it happens at every ground up and down the country every week why should Charlton be any different .
I have to agree with comments about match day communications, and general event management. Leaving aside the unforgivable Graham Moore/Ray Treacy situation last year, and the team line ups only coming in until the CARD free programmes were issued, we were told the PA system was buggered. The PA System is either still buggered or as I think is more likely badly managed by Mr Adamson and his unpaid student drones. Hearing the Red Red Robin is a lottery each game, and nobody could hear a word Andy Hunt said because of the amateurish incompetence of Brian Cole and his team. Once again Brian Cole has the vocal skills of a toothless old crone chewing a double dose of toffee. The faux cheerfulness which I suppose is going on (I can't hear it anyway) during the half time events is embarrassingly ill judged, and in effect quite patronising to the people there. It fits in with the fourteen chips, give the supporters any old crap culture that pervades the club. I admit to being rather obsessed with the way the event is structured at the Valley and it is very poor fare. Manipulated children waving flags. Inaudible PA Inaudible interviews. Inarticulate announcer. Half time fun which isn't.
I bet the team that focus on this side of the event pat each other on the back and constantly speak the mantra of 'I think that went pretty well ' to each other to validate what they do. In my individual opinion I believe they are very poor indeed and I would probably prefer nothing at all than the cringeworthy patronising rubbish we are presented with. I emphasise this is my opinion. Others may love it and they may think it goes pretty well so I am pleased for them.
We went in, held up a flag which he enjoyed. The play started, the crowd sung 'Roland Out' which he joined in with and he enjoyed clapping along and shouting Charlton.
Then nothing happened and on 27 minutes he said he wanted to go home.
Instead I gave him an IPad and he sat happily with that until, after 75 minutes he asked me never to take him to football again. He briefly stirred at the goal, jumped about a little.
At the end, We made our way down to the corner of the pitch on the North East side and a gate was open so I told him to stand on the AstroTurf next to the pitch whilst I took a photo, he duly did this, whilst a steward behind us told him to get off as it wasn't allowed.
He enjoyed patting the horses on the way up Floyd Road.
Totally uninspiring yesterday, as others have said it was like watching a training-ground game for much of it..
..and yet, if we can get Kashi fit there ought to be enough quality to challenge. Ajose's confidence is low, but we know he can do it at this level. Lookman & Solly need to spend some time working out how to defend the right flank together, but we are not shipping loads of goals.
What a mess we've made of the last few years, but let's not think we're down & out forever
We went in, held up a flag which he enjoyed. The play started, the crowd sung 'Roland Out' which he joined in with and he enjoyed clapping along and shouting Charlton.
Then nothing happened and on 27 minutes he said he wanted to go home.
Instead I gave him an IPad and he sat happily with that until, after 75 minutes he asked me never to take him to football again. He briefly stirred at the goal, jumped about a little.
At the end, We made our way down to the corner of the pitch on the North East side and a gate was open so I told him to stand on the AstroTurf next to the pitch whilst I took a photo, he duly did this, whilst a steward behind us told him to get off as it wasn't allowed.
He enjoyed patting the horses on the way up Floyd Road.
Awful game, we held a lot of possession in the first half but weren't creating the chances from it. Second half was an improvement, Holmes was getting a lot of undeserved slack though...and rightly made a point of celebrating in front of the few fans that had been slagging him off when we scored!
Holmes got stick like any player would he ain't untouchable , some people to like him some don't ,to be fair he tries but at times he runs around like a headless chicken , instead of moving the ball nice and simple But then again we have a few quite similar, he got stick from myself and a few of my mates , but he supplied a cracking cross for the goal and gave the stick back which isn't a problem fair play to him , maybe if Slade gave him a bollocking he might supply crosses like that more often, anyway still a shit performance .
So you and your mates barrack the player who's been the best we've got all season, and who works harder than anyone. How does that make any sense at all? And how is that supposed to help?
Our best player that's your opinion . My opion is as said above and that goes for most of them mediocre players .
We're in division 3!
'Mediocre players' goes with the territory. The way to get out of this division is the way Chris Powell did it. Foster a team spirit so that they all work hard for each other and hopefully negate each others weaknesses.
In my view Holmes and Magennis have been our best signings by a street (discounting Rudd as a loan player) and week in week out get the highest marks.
Fair point , the team as a whole is poor , fans get frustrated Holmes and Magnennis will get stick it's nothing personal , lookman got stick yesterday , crofts gets stick every week part and parcel being a footballer , fair play to Holmes got stick gave it back im sure my pal can live with that .
Another dull afternoon. Not the worst game I've seen this season but Chesterfield in the 5 minutes they actually attacked at the end caused us problems.
I'm not surprised that a lot of season ticket holders are not turning up, especially those who only paid £175 for their seats in the Lower North. Season ticket sales may be down by 40% in number (10,300 to 6,300) but the income must be well under 50% of last season's total, especially if, as has been suggested, nearly half of those sold have been at the lowest price. I can't think of another club with such an odd pricing structure (one-third of the price to sit behind the goal and double the price in the North upper) but I guess it gives Katrien the opportunity to try (unsuccessfully) to shore up the numbers and spout her usual message about providing "affordable football" to the hoi polloi. As to the crowd, I can't imagine there were more than 6-7,000 in the ground. So much for the 'Kids For A Quid' promotion.
An exceptionally tepid and low quality first half had only a few incidents of note: the two shots against the post, their keeper's save from Magennis and Rudd getting out well to block a shot from Ched Evans, when a ball over the top sat up nicely for him.
We began the second half better but soon lost momentum and the game started drifting away into the ether. In the latter stages, Chesterfield - as befits a bottom of the table team - dropped deeper and deeper to try and protect their point and we managed to push forward and create one or two things. After Ajose had squandered Botaka's great cross from six yards out, it nevertheless looked like it would finish goalless until Ricky Holmes went past a couple of players and put in an excellent cross for Novak to glance home. Even then, we almost let our toothless opponents equalise in injury time, when a deflected shot wrong-footed Rudd and just went past the near post.
Chesterfield didn't offer any real threat, apart from the play-acting Ayiribi, who was quite fast and tricky, and I was pleased to see our industrial left footers, Fox and Pearce, give him something to complain about with a few crunching tackles. We were generally solid at the back and have now conceded only 14 goals in 15 games, with only Bolton having conceded fewer (granted we've played a game less than most teams). The problems, as we all know, are further forward, with a chronic lack of tempo and an inability to control a game in the middle of the park. While both Holmes and Lookman both like to come inside and can pose a real threat to sides, it would surely have made sense to have tried to stretch Chesterfield's cumbersome defence by using the full width of the pitch. Instead, our wingers spent much of the game tucked in, rather than seeking to isolate their full backs. That had to be on Slade's instructions and reflects his lack of confidence in our central midfield and the fact that our full backs tend to sit very deep. I'm afraid that I have little confidence in his tactical approach, although at least his substitutions made a difference on this occasion.
I thought that Ricky Holmes was by far our best player and there were decent performances as well from Bauer, Pearce and Magennis, as well as an entertaining and highly skilful cameo from Botaka. On the negative side, Ajose missed two gilt-edged chances and he really needs to be putting those away, given that he contributes very little otherwise to the general play. Ademola Lookman had an off day, although he's entitled to one or two of those at his age. In future, though, corners surely need to be taken by Holmes or Fox, with Lookman lurking on the edge of the box, given his ability to jink past people in tight spaces and his shooting power. It's a long time since we've posed a consistent threat at corners and the days of the Stevie Brown's near post flick ons (à la Alan Gilzean) from Mark Kinsella deliveries feel an age away (probably because they are).
Overall, we just about got over the line against a side who had lost their previous five games. The three points takes us into mid-table, which is where this team currently belongs on their performances over the first third of the season. We should certainly be doing better with the talent at our disposal and Slade and his coaching staff really do need to get their collective digit out. If we can get a couple of decent players in January and hold onto what we've got - two big 'ifs' - it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that we could challenge for the play-off lottery. At present, though, it looks unlikely.
Awful game, we held a lot of possession in the first half but weren't creating the chances from it. Second half was an improvement, Holmes was getting a lot of undeserved slack though...and rightly made a point of celebrating in front of the few fans that had been slagging him off when we scored!
Holmes got stick like any player would he ain't untouchable , some people to like him some don't ,to be fair he tries but at times he runs around like a headless chicken , instead of moving the ball nice and simple But then again we have a few quite similar, he got stick from myself and a few of my mates , but he supplied a cracking cross for the goal and gave the stick back which isn't a problem fair play to him , maybe if Slade gave him a bollocking he might supply crosses like that more often, anyway still a shit performance .
So you and your mates barrack the player who's been the best we've got all season, and who works harder than anyone. How does that make any sense at all? And how is that supposed to help?
Our best player that's your opinion . My opion is as said above and that goes for most of them mediocre players .
Spot on Len Glover.
Charlton Athletic are in league 1,
Every body and their Auntie knows the reason why.
Slagging off the one player who is prepared to run at the slow defenders in League 1 is so Crass it's unbelievable. (plus young Lookman)
Sure Ricky screws up sometimes do you not think that is the reason he has spent his whole career in the lowest two division ?
Ricky Holmes has been a good signing for CAFC.
Keep the abuse for our absent owner and his sidekicks.
On a day we managed to grind out a win, what actually is there to celebrate? Three-quarter empty stands, a side struggling to beat a struggling League 1 team, a hapless manager almost out of his depth even at this shallow level, people off forums hauled in by the police, and enough stewards inside the ground to almost outnumber supporters in some parts.
This is the world that Katrien and Roland have created. No wonder he can't be arsed to ever turn up.
Good grief thats awful, Covered End must have been a squeeze to get 10k out of that
Atmosphere in the stadium was toxic and football very negative. Poor PA system during a potentially good interview with Andy Hunt is just criminal. Steward telling a kid to get off the pitch for a photo being taken sums it all up. How can RD be proud of that. KM wake up and realise your useless and please go!
Forgive me if I am not sure how the glass half full approach works when the assessment is we need to bring in 5 new players.
Does that not suggest that 45% of the current team are not worthy of their place in a team playing in what many have described as a very poor league.
Once again we have the absurd assertion of what's the problem we have been crap for a decade. Quite apart from the fact that simply is not true when we secured the League 1 title and maintained Championship status with a hard working and modestly talented squad many of whom are still plying their trade with Championship clubs, the assertion it is ok to fail because we always fail is to embrace such mediocrity and failure.
If that is why you watch football then have at it but forgive those who have a somewhat higher expectation.
Is not the former approach condemned by the evidenced of the real attendance and atmosphere yesterday? Is it not the road to oblivion?
Is that your approach to those 5 new players you want to bring in? Come and join us. Come and enjoy your career in a 3/4 empty stadium playing in a lifeless atmosphere. Do not expect too many win bonuses because we have been crap for years always will be.
As it happens I am not going to get overly disappointed by yesterday's performance or result. Playing against struggling sides can drag any performance down. They got the job done no more no less.
The team avoided a "banana skin". It was an acceptable outcome. I suggest such comments however can but be classified as being damned by the faintest of praise.
To have any realistic ambition of competing for a play off position there is a very, very, very long way to go from here.
Why anyone would have confidence in the current administrations' ability to travel such a journey is surely a matter of hope over substance.
Regrettably It is becoming increasingly clear fewer and fewer could really give a toss one way or another.
My comments were based on the performance of the 13 players who played yesterday. Agreed it wasn't brilliant, but I've seen a lot worse recently, and have to be grateful for small mercies.
I don't have any confidence in the current regime, all I'm saying is that there was an improvement. We all know we have a fairly average league one team that needs strengthening. Whether enough decent players will be bought in January is a moot point. I thought that Crofts has been amongst our worst players this season, but watched him closely yesterday, and thought he had his best game that I've seen. Fox, who gets a lot of stick, also had a good game. Both players are decent squad players, but if you want to get promotion you definitely need to strengthen those positions.
So: 1. Sign two midfield dynamos, a good left back, and a creative attacking midfielder in January. 2. Try Lookman upfront with Magennis. 3. Start Botaka on the right.
Went just because of the banner protest so my son could show his protest flag. Even with our poor play still should have won by three to four goals.Worst atmosphere ever experienced at the Valley. I wish to continue boycotting home games, but it must be said the protest movement is losing a voice with such low crowds- not sure what the answer is, as understand the aim is to deprive regime of income To cap a quite depressing experience got a load of abuse from a Charlton fan for our protest flag. Same guy then thought it was hard to swear at my son. Losing that Charlton feeling very quickly
What was your protest flag or was it just the fact that you were protesting ?
Spoke to Theo Foley b4 game and yes I spent money in Xbars.Oh for the days of Flanagan Hales and Powell - all his signings.For what it's worth I think we have a squad good enough to get us out of this lg if Slade would play to his strengths.Another 3 pts but please let's get behind the team.RD ain't going nowhere so let's try another tact.Support the team cos all this division among the fans is taking us nowhere
You spent money in Xbars? Well done you & you're telling us why exactly ? What would Slades strengths be ? RD going nowhere ? What other tact should we try?
In the long run it's the hard working staff I feel sorry for, there's likely to be less income next year which means the club will struggle to employ the same number of staff
In the long run it's the hard working staff I feel sorry for, there's likely to be less income next year which means the club will struggle to employ the same number of staff
Yet another consequence of the mismanagement. Not that Meire gives a flying one about anyone as beneath her such as employees.
In the long run it's the hard working staff I feel sorry for, there's likely to be less income next year which means the club will struggle to employ the same number of staff
In the long run it's the hard working staff I feel sorry for, there's likely to be less income next year which means the club will struggle to employ the same number of staff
Yet another consequence of the mismanagement. Not that Meire gives a flying one about anyone as beneath her such as employees.
In the long run it's the hard working staff I feel sorry for, there's likely to be less income next year which means the club will struggle to employ the same number of staff
I bet Sue will still get her Perks though.
I hope she does given all she has done to back Meire and Duchatalet. That kind of blind loyalty, and all for a few prawn sandwiches and a comfy seat, deserves rewarding.
It was a boring game but we deserved to win and to give RS credit, he played 4-4-2 throughout and his substitutions worked. Ajose looks like a dud in the McLeod mold.
Ajose is not a dud, but needs decent service. The dud move was bringing in Ajose without any clear plan how to provide the creativity required in midfield. Ajose shouldn't be carrying the can overnight. He scored 25 goals alongside a decent strike partner for Swindon.
Chesterfield were about as poor as you are going to get in this league. First half was rubbish. Ajose should have scored, but they hit the post too. Second half improved a little. Slade needs to make changes sooner when things are not working. We could easily have drawn that game, and against that level of opponent, it should have been much more comfortable.
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My opion is as said above and that goes for most of them mediocre players .
'Mediocre players' goes with the territory. The way to get out of this division is the way Chris Powell did it. Foster a team spirit so that they all work hard for each other and hopefully negate each others weaknesses.
In my view Holmes and Magennis have been our best signings by a street (discounting Rudd as a loan player) and week in week out get the highest marks.
We went in, held up a flag which he enjoyed. The play started, the crowd sung 'Roland Out' which he joined in with and he enjoyed clapping along and shouting Charlton.
Then nothing happened and on 27 minutes he said he wanted to go home.
Instead I gave him an IPad and he sat happily with that until, after 75 minutes he asked me never to take him to football again. He briefly stirred at the goal, jumped about a little.
At the end, We made our way down to the corner of the pitch on the North East side and a gate was open so I told him to stand on the AstroTurf next to the pitch whilst I took a photo, he duly did this, whilst a steward behind us told him to get off as it wasn't allowed.
He enjoyed patting the horses on the way up Floyd Road.
At least we won.
I want Roland to leave.
He may have limitations but his personal footballing standards are high, the same goes for Magennis.
..and yet, if we can get Kashi fit there ought to be enough quality to challenge. Ajose's confidence is low, but we know he can do it at this level. Lookman & Solly need to spend some time working out how to defend the right flank together, but we are not shipping loads of goals.
What a mess we've made of the last few years, but let's not think we're down & out forever
All I'm hoping for Xmas is Roland to sell
I'm not surprised that a lot of season ticket holders are not turning up, especially those who only paid £175 for their seats in the Lower North. Season ticket sales may be down by 40% in number (10,300 to 6,300) but the income must be well under 50% of last season's total, especially if, as has been suggested, nearly half of those sold have been at the lowest price. I can't think of another club with such an odd pricing structure (one-third of the price to sit behind the goal and double the price in the North upper) but I guess it gives Katrien the opportunity to try (unsuccessfully) to shore up the numbers and spout her usual message about providing "affordable football" to the hoi polloi. As to the crowd, I can't imagine there were more than 6-7,000 in the ground. So much for the 'Kids For A Quid' promotion.
An exceptionally tepid and low quality first half had only a few incidents of note: the two shots against the post, their keeper's save from Magennis and Rudd getting out well to block a shot from Ched Evans, when a ball over the top sat up nicely for him.
We began the second half better but soon lost momentum and the game started drifting away into the ether. In the latter stages, Chesterfield - as befits a bottom of the table team - dropped deeper and deeper to try and protect their point and we managed to push forward and create one or two things. After Ajose had squandered Botaka's great cross from six yards out, it nevertheless looked like it would finish goalless until Ricky Holmes went past a couple of players and put in an excellent cross for Novak to glance home. Even then, we almost let our toothless opponents equalise in injury time, when a deflected shot wrong-footed Rudd and just went past the near post.
Chesterfield didn't offer any real threat, apart from the play-acting Ayiribi, who was quite fast and tricky, and I was pleased to see our industrial left footers, Fox and Pearce, give him something to complain about with a few crunching tackles. We were generally solid at the back and have now conceded only 14 goals in 15 games, with only Bolton having conceded fewer (granted we've played a game less than most teams). The problems, as we all know, are further forward, with a chronic lack of tempo and an inability to control a game in the middle of the park. While both Holmes and Lookman both like to come inside and can pose a real threat to sides, it would surely have made sense to have tried to stretch Chesterfield's cumbersome defence by using the full width of the pitch. Instead, our wingers spent much of the game tucked in, rather than seeking to isolate their full backs. That had to be on Slade's instructions and reflects his lack of confidence in our central midfield and the fact that our full backs tend to sit very deep. I'm afraid that I have little confidence in his tactical approach, although at least his substitutions made a difference on this occasion.
I thought that Ricky Holmes was by far our best player and there were decent performances as well from Bauer, Pearce and Magennis, as well as an entertaining and highly skilful cameo from Botaka. On the negative side, Ajose missed two gilt-edged chances and he really needs to be putting those away, given that he contributes very little otherwise to the general play. Ademola Lookman had an off day, although he's entitled to one or two of those at his age. In future, though, corners surely need to be taken by Holmes or Fox, with Lookman lurking on the edge of the box, given his ability to jink past people in tight spaces and his shooting power. It's a long time since we've posed a consistent threat at corners and the days of the Stevie Brown's near post flick ons (à la Alan Gilzean) from Mark Kinsella deliveries feel an age away (probably because they are).
Overall, we just about got over the line against a side who had lost their previous five games. The three points takes us into mid-table, which is where this team currently belongs on their performances over the first third of the season. We should certainly be doing better with the talent at our disposal and Slade and his coaching staff really do need to get their collective digit out. If we can get a couple of decent players in January and hold onto what we've got - two big 'ifs' - it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that we could challenge for the play-off lottery. At present, though, it looks unlikely.
Charlton Athletic are in league 1,
Every body and their Auntie knows the reason why.
Slagging off the one player who is prepared to run at the slow defenders in League 1 is so Crass it's unbelievable. (plus young Lookman)
Sure Ricky screws up sometimes do you not think that is the reason he has spent his whole career in the lowest two division ?
Ricky Holmes has been a good signing for CAFC.
Keep the abuse for our absent owner and his sidekicks.
Yes, we have only scored half as many goals as Scunthorpe, but there are encouraging signs.
Only one team has conceded less than us.
Our goal difference is top-6 standard.
Only two teams have lost less than us.
That's enough, going back to being pissed off again now.
The other is also a horrible little toad.
How can RD be proud of that. KM wake up and realise your useless and please go!
I don't have any confidence in the current regime, all I'm saying is that there was an improvement.
We all know we have a fairly average league one team that needs strengthening. Whether enough decent players will be bought in January is a moot point.
I thought that Crofts has been amongst our worst players this season, but watched him closely yesterday, and thought he had his best game that I've seen.
Fox, who gets a lot of stick, also had a good game.
Both players are decent squad players, but if you want to get promotion you definitely need to strengthen those positions.
So:
1. Sign two midfield dynamos, a good left back, and a creative attacking midfielder in January.
2. Try Lookman upfront with Magennis.
3. Start Botaka on the right.
Will any of the above happen?
Pigs might fly!
Surely she calls them minions !
Is there a video of the crossbar challenge? Now the ball dribbling along the ground would have made me laugh.