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Managerial sackings, comings and goings
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This ^ , TS's muddled thinking around what he " wanted" playing style wise was so frustrating. You appoint Garner who needed players to play a very exact style and then don't give him the proper backing to do it and wonder why it failed.North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning that sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.2 -
Surely Garner has to take some blame there alsoMarcusH26 said:
This ^ , TS's muddled thinking around what he " wanted" playing style wise was so frustrating. You appoint Garner who needed players to play a very exact style and then don't give him the proper backing to do it and wonder why it failed.North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning that sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.
- Knew what we had when he joined
- Got no assurance of what he could spend
- Failed as as result
Obv we don't know what he was promised by TS, but there is no way NJ signs a five year deal without cast iron committment to the spend we got in the summer.1 -
And I have a suspicion about managers who can only play one way, and require an entire squad to be built around their style of play.BalladMan said:
Surely Garner has to take some blame there alsoMarcusH26 said:
This ^ , TS's muddled thinking around what he " wanted" playing style wise was so frustrating. You appoint Garner who needed players to play a very exact style and then don't give him the proper backing to do it and wonder why it failed.North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning that sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.
- Knew what we had when he joined
- Got no assurance of what he could spend
- Failed as as result
Obv we don't know what he was promised by TS, but there is no way NJ signs a five year deal without cast iron committment to the spend we got in the summer.2 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6GLkmA_4vI
The Not the Top 20 boys really damning about how awful Blackpool have been this season0 -
He was cheap. Where is he now?North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning those sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.0 -
I believe he now works for Right To Dream who are an academy programme that brings young players over to Europe from Africa , also owners of FC Nordesjaelland and San Diego FC.ElfsborgAddick said:
He wax cheap. Where is he now?North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning those sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.
Probably better suited to academy coaching.1 -
Keeping Jackson would have been cheaper.ElfsborgAddick said:
He wax cheap. Where is he now?North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning those sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.1 -
Completely agree - some people are just suited to coaching or a good assistant but not suited to management.MarcusH26 said:
I believe he now works for Right To Dream who are an academy programme that brings young players over to Europe from Africa , also owners of FC Nordesjaelland and San Diego FC.ElfsborgAddick said:
He wax cheap. Where is he now?North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning those sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.
Probably better suited to academy coaching.1 -
Dean Holden is another. Now a coach at Hull.North Lower Neil said:
Completely agree - some people are just suited to coaching or a good assistant but not suited to management.MarcusH26 said:
I believe he now works for Right To Dream who are an academy programme that brings young players over to Europe from Africa , also owners of FC Nordesjaelland and San Diego FC.ElfsborgAddick said:
He wax cheap. Where is he now?North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning those sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.
Probably better suited to academy coaching.1 -
Sky are reporting Watford are set to sack Pezzolano and replace him with Javi Gracia. Gracia managed Watford between Jan 2018 and Sept 20193
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Can imagine he's a great assistant - great on the personal side etc.killerandflash said:
Dean Holden is another. Now a coach at Hull.North Lower Neil said:
Completely agree - some people are just suited to coaching or a good assistant but not suited to management.MarcusH26 said:
I believe he now works for Right To Dream who are an academy programme that brings young players over to Europe from Africa , also owners of FC Nordesjaelland and San Diego FC.ElfsborgAddick said:
He wax cheap. Where is he now?North Lower Neil said:
I could see the logic appointing Garner - young coach, had a decent season in the league below playing good football, apparently highly thought of as a coach at Palace etc.ElfsborgAddick said:
Him, Holden and Appleton all three who should never have even been thought about, let alone appointed.Athletico Charlton said:fenaddick said:
This was part of the problem with the Garner appointment, we brought over the wrong part of his back room teamkillerandflash said:Even at EFL clubs, managers seem to have teams of people with them. Not just Bloomfield sacked. That's the Lee Harrison who came through our academy in the 90s, but never played a 1st team game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07vmgm43kko
Bloomfield's assistant Richard Thomas, first-team coach Lee Harrison and analyst Ben Cirne have also left Kenilworth Road.
The only problem with the Garner appointment was that we appointed Garner. Shit manager.
What made no sense was TS appointing a manager to change the style of play when he was planning to cut the budget and not give a manager anything to work with to change that style of play. Doomed to fail, and if he was planning those sort of cutbacks then sticking with Jackson who was more pragmatic made so much more sense.
Probably better suited to academy coaching.
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Good plan, let's hire the manager we sacked before. And since he was sacked by Watford he has:fenaddick said:Sky are reporting Watford are set to sack Pezzolano and replace him with Javi Gracia. Gracia managed Watford between Jan 2018 and Sept 2019
Been sacked by Valencia
Managed in Qatar for 7 months.
Been sacked by Leeds after just 12 games.
Been unemployed for 2.5 years.
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So Quique Sanchez Flores next in February then?2
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Gracia seemed to do a decent enough job at Watford first time round.
No surprise the current manager is about to get the boot, but as the NTT20 Podcast noted this week a number of clubs like Watford, Norwich and WBA have wasted the Premier League parachute payments through poor management.0 -
fenaddick said:Sky are reporting Watford are set to sack Pezzolano and replace him with Javi Gracia. Gracia managed Watford between Monday and Thursday last week
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Watford FC = "Have I Got A Football Club For You (To Manage)"
With a guest manager each week.6 -
If the Watford Manager is being sacked, someone needs to check on the Cameraman who was obsessed with him on the opening day at the Valley, he's going to be distraught!!4
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Don't worry, there'll be another one along soon after for the cameraman to focus on.ForeverAddickted said:If the Watford Manager is being sacked, someone needs to check on the Cameraman who was obsessed with him on the opening day at the Valley, he's going to be distraught!!
Then another one the week after, and the week after that ...2 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Watford_F.C._managers
Poor Pezzolano, the wiki page of Watford managers hasn't yet been updated to include him!
I'd forgotten some of the big names that have come and gone in recent years. Ranieri, Hodgson, Edwards, Bilic and Wilder.1 -
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Pezzolano lasted 10 matches at Watford and Tom Cleverly who lasted 13 months(interim at first) between April 24 and May 25 was awarded a gold watch for longevity by Gino Pozzo.
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Remember the name Pezzolano.
It'll probably come up in a quiz night somewhere.0 -
My kids are getting excited. Only two more Watford managers until Christmas25
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It's nice to be able to laugh at Watford again, after we went through a very Watfordish run of managers between Bowyer and Jones...MrOneLung said:My kids are getting excited. Only two more Watford managers until Christmas
Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden, Appleton...1 -
Pete O'Rourke going with Jack Wilshire to be named the new Luton manager. Interesting choice0
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Hartlepool United Football Club has today parted company with manager Simon Grayson.Following discussions yesterday evening and a board meeting this morning, it became clear that expectations with performances and results have not been met.
https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/club-statement-simon-grayson/0 -
Good it gives us more of an even playing fieldkillerandflash said:Gracia seemed to do a decent enough job at Watford first time round.
No surprise the current manager is about to get the boot, but as the NTT20 Podcast noted this week a number of clubs like Watford, Norwich and WBA have wasted the Premier League parachute payments through poor management.1 -
Danny Rohl being linked to Rangers after Gerrard turned them down.0
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Hatters unveil Wilshere as new boss with Chris Powell named as his assistant.
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/en/news/luton-town-appoint-jack-wilshere3 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3e7qzgn1dnoclive said:Hatters unveil Wilshere as new boss with Chris Powell named as his assistant.
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/en/news/luton-town-appoint-jack-wilshere
He beat Leyton Orient boss Richie Wellens to the role and is believed to have signed a three-year deal.
Interesting that Richie Wellens was also an option. That doesn't suggest he'll stay at Orient much longer.2







