Protesting fans accused of not supporting the team in the i Newspaper

Coyotejohn1947

Every Saturday the i newspaper carries a two page fans' forum in which a representative from all of the premiership and championship clubs plus a selection of the other leagues and Scottish are given a paragraph or two to give their observations on the state of their club. The source of the comments is often a mixture of those from official fan clubs or individuals (who are perhaps drawn from Social Media fan sites?).

Today (Sat 10th) page 65 sees the Charlton Athletic quotes being in essence nothing less than rewording of the ridiculous comments made by Roland Duchatelet last season when he accused fans of wanting failure.

That this should come from a Charlton source is hugely disappointing as yet again the apologists for the regime cannot understand the simple concept that criticising the regime in no way sets the vast majority of the protesting fans against Russell Slade or the team.

However, in the piece we read that 'some fans need to give Russell Slade and the team a break and get behind the team.'

and: 'No need for negativity from some so-called fans.'

The person who wrote this should be ashamed of themselves.

It is particularly hurtful and insulting that those opposed to Meire/Duchatelet and they way they run this club should be described as so-called supporters and I would urge those who hold these simplistic and erroneous beliefs to look at the Guardian blog article found elsewhere on this board and read what protesting supporters do have to say and what damage has been done by the regime to a fan base all of whom want success and to remember that some of these 'so-called' fans were instrumental in getting the club back to The Valley.

As Kyle Andrews wrote in the last VOTV 'the support the team not the regime mantra is the ideal way to behave in theory but very hard to commit to in practice' It is made even harder when those who should know better accuse fans (many of them life time fans) of not being real supporters.

Kyle Andrews went on to say that the previous actions of the regime and the impact they have had on both the club and its supporters remain unforgivable.
It is possible for all to celebrate success on the pitch but the greater success now will be when the club has rid itself of both its poisonous, arrogant and incompetent CEO and its flakey absentee owner who is taking the club further and further into his company's debt.

Henry Irving

Is there a name to the comments?

Karim_myBagheri

does it not say who wrote it? should have a name of a site if its from social media/fans forum.

Missed It

Pitch PR making their contribution to the information war against Charlton protesters?

LuckyReds

Shame. I quite like the i.

mogodon

As I wrote on another thread, there is clearly a PR offensive here to marginalise the protests, labelling them as being no more than a hundred or so hardcore fans with a lot of dumb sheep following. The same theme insists the numbers are nowhere near as great as is claimed.

Expect a lot more of this.

kings hill addick

mogodon said:

As I wrote on another thread, there is clearly a PR offensive here to marginalise the protests, labelling them as being no more than a hundred or so hardcore fans with a lot of dumb sheep following. The same theme insists the numbers are nowhere near as great as is claimed.

Expect a lot more of this.

The truth, though, is that most large scale protests tend to consist of a small group of 'strategists' and the 'rest' that do, indeed, follow their lead.

Thus the phrase you use is credible it just doesn't do the protestors justice.

Let's also remember that Curbishley said on national TV that he thought the protests would negatively affect the results.

This is also, exactly, how those that are targets of protests manage their PR so I can't believe that this will come as a surprise to CARD. It was to be expected and I'd be surprised if any of those in CARD are unprepared for the consequences of their actions. People don't start a war unless they are prepared for one.

Henry Irving

First they ignore you
Next they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win.

It's a compliment to the protests that they feel they need to hire an expensive PR agency to do this.

C4FC4L1f3

Yeah the massive protests by CARD at Fleetwood caused the DRAW! (Although game isn't finished yet)

Shakes fist at CARD!

oohaahmortimer

Henry Irving said:

Is there a name to the comments?

Just EKA

cfgs

Whoever says supporters want their team to lose just doesn't get football. I refuse to go, am totally disenfranchised by my club but when both equalisers went in I punched the air. I always want my club to win.....I just can't give this regime my money.

vff

Missed It said:

Pitch PR making their contribution to the information war against Charlton protesters?

So Meire & Duchatelet has hired a PR company to attack Charlton supporters ? Would it be these people ?

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vff

Its amazing how the new era seems to look like the old era. That is the regime blaming supporters for the mistakes and the mess that they have made. Same old. Same old. Get the hell out of our club.

IdleHans

Their site doesn't admit to it but I expect they are aware of the toxicity of the Meire brand and would rather keep quiet about it.
Either that or they want to avoid the inevitable disgusting abuse from the 100 rabblerousers of CARD and their ovine adherents.

redman

Just shows they are frightened. We must keep getting our message across.

T_C_E

Henry Irving said:

First they ignore you
Next they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win.

It's a compliment to the protests that they feel they need to hire an expensive PR agency to do this.

But we've all seen the self destruction they are capable of when they think and speak for themselves!

mogodon

kings hill addick said:

mogodon said:

As I wrote on another thread, there is clearly a PR offensive here to marginalise the protests, labelling them as being no more than a hundred or so hardcore fans with a lot of dumb sheep following. The same theme insists the numbers are nowhere near as great as is claimed.

Expect a lot more of this.

The truth, though, is that most large scale protests tend to consist of a small group of 'strategists' and the 'rest' that do, indeed, follow their lead.

Thus the phrase you use is credible it just doesn't do the protestors justice.

Let's also remember that Curbishley said on national TV that he thought the protests would negatively affect the results.

This is also, exactly, how those that are targets of protests manage their PR so I can't believe that this will come as a surprise to CARD. It was to be expected and I'd be surprised if any of those in CARD are unprepared for the consequences of their actions. People don't start a war unless they are prepared for one.

You make a fair point I think what I was trying to say is that the bulk of protesters are labelled as worse than followers, more mindless idiots. If I can quote from another site what one of the pro-regime people said ... and this gets to the heart of the impression the regime are trying to get across:-

"I'd say there is a substantial MAJORITY that just want to watch football and that majority is sick-to-the-back-teeth of the selfish agenda of the Militant Tendency. The protestors are diminishing in number and are now just a rump of perhaps 100 loud mouths on Charlton Life with a herd mentality. Their influence is also waning and stunts like picketing the club shop are turning even more supporters against them. Thank heavens."

soapboxsam

LuckyReds said:

Shame. I quite like the i.

Every team is covered in the top 2 divisions and random lower Leagues including Scotland. A different supporter give their views every week.

Not really sure if the 50 odd words are just digging out the support of the team or have a hidden agenda.
Unless Julie Hallett is AKA Sue Parkes !

Redskin

Comments by a Julie Hallett.

mid_life_crisis

Comments attributed to one 'Julie Hallett'.
Thanks Sue.

Coyotejohn1947

LuckyReds said:

Shame. I quite like the i.

I should make it clear that the comments are in the fans forum section of the newspaper (see my original OS) and I suspect that the i exercise little editorial control over these fan comments. Indeed, there was at least one some while ago criticising Duchatelet.
The name of the commentator in the 'i' is given but it is not one I recognise (a lady) and it would be unfair of me to name her here when mine is not given.

My main point was that that the i appear to trawl the Social Media sites for these comments because what is printed looks as if it could have been lifted from SE7 Valiants or really any one of the number of Charlton related facebook sites where some fans believe that protesting against the regime equates with not being a real fan whereas I would argue that simply turning a blind eye to the regime's antics does not make those who do so more of a supporter but in fact makes them more of a 'customer' of the kind that Meire was aiming for when she said that fans 'would have to get used to the way the major shareholder (i.e. Duchatelet) does things.'

Plus, I do look into SE7 Valiants and the main Charlton facebook sites from time to time and a common theme has developed of accusing protesters of not being genuine or real fans, calling them whingers and calling them negative. I never respond on these sites as they quickly descend into bite-sized slanging matches for the most part with the pro-regime people strangely often claiming to have the right to their opinion (yes, fine) but then presenting unsubstantiated dross as opinion (we even had an example here with a hearsay account by some poster's mate (who made some bizarre claims about East Stand (CARD) regulars not celebrating goals against Shrewsbury) - which was picked up and run with as if it were fact!

Siv_in_Norfolk

Julie Hallett09/06/2016 at 15:42
He seems a really nice guy actually spoke to him a few weeks back some fans need to give him and the team a break and get behind the team that's what being a support is all about being there through good and bad .no need for the negativity from some so called fans

Siv_in_Norfolk

https://socialfeed.info/meet-the-manager-charlton-season-ticket-holders-can-signup-now-for-the-3965267

Huskaris

I heard it was a joint statement by EKA

seth plum

vff said:

Missed It said:

Pitch PR making their contribution to the information war against Charlton protesters?

So Meire & Duchatelet has hired a PR company to attack Charlton supporters ? Would it be these people ?

http://www.pitch.co.uk/services/

Consumer PR strategy
Product launches
Product placement and seeding
Media relations
Press conferences
Events and previews
PR toolkit creation
Crisis Communications

http://www.pitch.co.uk/contact-us/

For New Business and Marketing enquiries:

Maria Nicolaides

maria.nicolaides@pitch.co.uk

For all other enquiries:

info@pitch.co.uk

Pitch
39-43 Brewer Street
London
W1F 9UD
Tel: +44 (0)20 7494 1616

Nearest Tube station
Piccadilly Circus (District/Bakerloo Line)
0.1 miles (0.2 km)

Nearest Railway station
Charing Cross Railway station
0.4 miles (0.7km)

Is this verified at Katrien's spin doctor company?

If it is true they can be, errrm, informed as to other points of view with this helpful contact details.

It may even be worth contacting them posing as somebody needing 'crisis communication' to see how much they charge.

http://www.pitch.co.uk/

Oakster

What a ridiculous & sad state of affairs that they need to hire a PR agency to try & marginalize the views of 99.9% of the fanbase. Is this a first in professional sport?

Karim_myBagheri

Oakster said:

What a ridiculous & sad state of affairs that they need to hire a PR agency to try & marginalize the views of 99.9% of the fanbase. Is this a first in professional sport?

in a way I think the Russians are the leaders of this. the whole world sees they're cheats and unlike the ioc (melts) the Paralympic board have banned them but that wont stop their pr machine to create their own Paralympics.

Baldybonce

So far in the PR war CARD have won every battle so it's not surprising that Katie is getting desperate trying to fight fire with fire.
A big and noisy turn out next week will let her know what's what.

lancashire lad

I have sent the following letter to the editor of the i newspaper, I'll add any reply which I doubt I'll get:

"As a admirer of the standard of journalism of the newspaper I was sad to read on page 65 of today's edition the comments attributed to Julie Hallett with regard to the attitude of some Charlton supporters towards the team and manager.

If your newspaper had done its due diligence it would know that those fans who are against the club's owner and senior management have the motto "support the team not the regime". I was at the match at Fleetwood this afternoon and confirm that the Charlton supporters supported the team and the manager.

As a leading proponent of good journalism it is a pity that you have let yourself down on this occasion."

MountsfieldPark

Redskin said:

Comments by a Julie Hallett.

Q: Why does her facebook profile (that matches the picture in the "Meet the Manager" Social Feed page) say her favourite sports team is Plymouth Argyle?

https://www.facebook.com/people/Julie-Hallett/100009621364200

A: that's what being a "support"' is all about

soapboxsam

lancashire lad said:

As a leading proponent of good journalism it is a pity that you have let yourself down on this occasion."

If you buy the paper and see the different views every week, you would understand the i are letting every type of fan have their views.
To censure the views of a "Supporter" would be bizarre.

I enjoy the varied opinions in the i just like i do on CL.

I really don't know if Julie Hallet is a genuine fan or a Joanna come lately.
but whatever i don't want the i newspaper to waste time phoning and emailing every supporters club in Britain to see if the views of one person is reflected in the views of the majority of that's clubs fan base.