As someone rightfully pointed out, the team is past steaming.
It is now a dried and crusted out dog turd that has rolled in to the gutter.
In the dog turd stakes, i have always thought of this Charlton as the dried out white dog shit that was more prevalent when i was a nipper in the 70's...
The dried out white ones are digested bones Source
David Attenborough
Couldn't be, he'd never have been able to do all that TV if dogs kept eating his bones...
Jesus some of this reading was depressing!!!! and that was just before the game. Yes the team was not the best on paper but then maybe does that show Slade has something about him to instigate winning the game? making us hard to beat? Well not according to some because he's just a lower league manager with no pattern of play. It's a pre season friendly and we still have 3 to go, chill out people.
Just quote me next time!!!!
Agreed, this is just pre-season, and I don't think this will be our team at Bury. But they've been doing two-a-days in Austria for a week, and have just entered the third week of pre-season. I would expect to see more of a game plan emerging by now. I completely agree that it's still quite early, and the tendency toward long balls (particularly in the first half) could be a result of tired legs as much as anything. I was just going on what I'd seen to that point, and it looked bereft of ideas.
In fairness I wanted to type something after reading several peoples negative comments and your comment was liked by several people which I believe to be people agreeing with it. I always say the best managers don't have one game plan but have several and are adaptable depending on the players brought into the club, I also won't be either surprised or down hearted if we use a more direct style of play. Very few teams can play their way out of this division. The best chance we and teams have is being hard to breach through having an organised back four/five and also having a good partnership up front. I feel we will have the partnership in Novak and Ajose and the defensive shape will be down mainly to Slade and the backroom team. Someone like Roger Johnson can even thrive at this level if he gets the right people around him. I watched Millwall a couple of times last season and there was no real style of play, they got the ball forward from front to back, had Morison to hold it up and Lee Gregory obviously was the goal scorer of the two. They lost out promotion by 1 game. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination thinking everything is rosy because we need 3-4 new faces in as a minimum especially with Lennon, Bauer, Diarra and Kashi being injured before they've kicked a ball.
As someone rightfully pointed out, the team is past steaming.
It is now a dried and crusted out dog turd that has rolled in to the gutter.
In the dog turd stakes, i have always thought of this Charlton as the dried out white dog shit that was more prevalent when i was a nipper in the 70's...
The dried out white ones are digested bones Source
David Attenborough
Couldn't be, he'd never have been able to do all that TV if dogs kept eating his bones...
Jesus some of this reading was depressing!!!! and that was just before the game. Yes the team was not the best on paper but then maybe does that show Slade has something about him to instigate winning the game? making us hard to beat? Well not according to some because he's just a lower league manager with no pattern of play. It's a pre season friendly and we still have 3 to go, chill out people.
Just quote me next time!!!!
Agreed, this is just pre-season, and I don't think this will be our team at Bury. But they've been doing two-a-days in Austria for a week, and have just entered the third week of pre-season. I would expect to see more of a game plan emerging by now. I completely agree that it's still quite early, and the tendency toward long balls (particularly in the first half) could be a result of tired legs as much as anything. I was just going on what I'd seen to that point, and it looked bereft of ideas.
In fairness I wanted to type something after reading several peoples negative comments and your comment was liked by several people which I believe to be people agreeing with it. I always say the best managers don't have one game plan but have several and are adaptable depending on the players brought into the club, I also won't be either surprised or down hearted if we use a more direct style of play. Very few teams can play their way out of this division. The best chance we and teams have is being hard to breach through having an organised back four/five and also having a good partnership up front. I feel we will have the partnership in Novak and Ajose and the defensive shape will be down mainly to Slade and the backroom team. Someone like Roger Johnson can even thrive at this level if he gets the right people around him. I watched Millwall a couple of times last season and there was no real style of play, they got the ball forward from front to back, had Morison to hold it up and Lee Gregory obviously was the goal scorer of the two. They lost out promotion by 1 game. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination thinking everything is rosy because we need 3-4 new faces in as a minimum especially with Lennon, Bauer, Diarra and Kashi being injured before they've kicked a ball.
All fair points, and please take my "quote me" comment as tongue in cheek.
I agree that you can't JUST play your way out of this division, and that you need various options. But I don't know that Nowak is dominant enough to be that traditional center forward player, and Ajose is a poacher, which means he's more likely to need the ball either played to him in the box or balls that will help him get in behind.
I think between Holmes, Harriott, and CC we should have some decent wide players for this division, but not much went through them in the first half (which is when I wrote my comment). It is also part of the oddities of football that the transfer window closes 3+ weeks into the season. Since this is a championship year, it seems a lot of the deals were delayed, and now with a couple weeks until the season starts we're looking at having to rebuild a decent chunk of the squad.
I'm going to the Ipswich match a week today, think that will tell us more, but again, given how the window is structured, we might not know what our side looks like until September 1, and not all of that is down to the incompetency of the regime.
My concern lies not with the performances, but with the team sheet. I think being worried about the state of that side currently is pretty justifiable, given the two indisputable factors:
- We have 3 weeks to build a squad that is fit for purpose.
- This regime have a track record in the summer transfer market that is beyond hopeless.
I dare anyone to look at that team sheet and not say 'jeez, three weeks till the season starts, one hell of a lot of work to do'. With another couple yet to depart Slade's claim of a minimum top six finish looks a million miles away.
I dare anyone to look at that team sheet and not say 'jeez, three weeks till the season starts, one hell of a lot of work to do'. With another couple yet to depart Slade's claim of a minimum top six finish looks a million miles away.
Given Duchatelet & Meire, it was a misguidely optimistic statement.
Better second half. Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match. Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something. In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls. Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley. Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much. Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me. Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win. Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul. We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.
Crofts is a defensive midfielder!
So was Danny Hollands, but he could still at least get things moving, at League One level at any rate. Winning the ball back is no use to anyone if the oppo can hare back and defend whilst we're dawdling over a pass... again.
Hollands was in no way a defensive midfielder. He was played in a deeper role by Powell and he could certainly tackle, but at league one level he was also pretty creative could pick a pass, show a bit of vision, and had an eye for goal. He made no secret of the fact he wanted to play the same role as Stephens In fact he has his best period for us when Dale was injured and he played in front of Russell or Hughes.
We got away with him filling that role because teams didn't really come at us much that year so we didn't really need a dedicated CM. Between him and Stephens they could both rotate and fill that role.
Better second half. Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match. Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something. In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls. Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley. Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much. Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me. Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win. Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul. We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.
Crofts is a defensive midfielder!
True, but if we're going to play 4-4-2 he's going to need to pass the ball with at least some competency. Also, he's certainly defensively minded, but he didn't seem to be breaking up play much, seemed to always be on the peripheral of the play without ever really being involved.
That said, I do admit that defensive midfield can be a thankless role, and sometimes it's done best when it's not noticed. Also, Maccabi didn't have the most of attacking intent, which can make the role a bit redundant. All that said, I haven't seen much from him. As a squad player while Diarra and Kashi recover, maybe, but I still think we need two in central midfield.
But in your view do you think an ex Brighton and Norwich player isn't worth signing for the first team ?
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I agree that you can't JUST play your way out of this division, and that you need various options. But I don't know that Nowak is dominant enough to be that traditional center forward player, and Ajose is a poacher, which means he's more likely to need the ball either played to him in the box or balls that will help him get in behind.
I think between Holmes, Harriott, and CC we should have some decent wide players for this division, but not much went through them in the first half (which is when I wrote my comment). It is also part of the oddities of football that the transfer window closes 3+ weeks into the season. Since this is a championship year, it seems a lot of the deals were delayed, and now with a couple weeks until the season starts we're looking at having to rebuild a decent chunk of the squad.
I'm going to the Ipswich match a week today, think that will tell us more, but again, given how the window is structured, we might not know what our side looks like until September 1, and not all of that is down to the incompetency of the regime.
- We have 3 weeks to build a squad that is fit for purpose.
- This regime have a track record in the summer transfer market that is beyond hopeless.
What's not to like? We have an English manager, three new signings who have all good records for goals and assists in this league.
I reckon we will smash it for sure.
We need Ajose fit.
Movie night with the Mrs like TWWW?
In fact he has his best period for us when Dale was injured and he played in front of Russell or Hughes.
We got away with him filling that role because teams didn't really come at us much that year so we didn't really need a dedicated CM. Between him and Stephens they could both rotate and fill that role.