Our chairman has said there is other interest in CW and AK but no official approach.
Wilder was in Belgium last week talking to our owner, before CAFC and NTFC announced any approach, so I'm not sure how much weight that carries TBF.
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, doesn't that show Wilder up as duplicitous, happy to go behind the back of the club he's contracted to?
sorry, but are you really that naive? It happens all the time.
It may happen all the time but that doesn't make it right. Also, how does using rhetoric to point out that Wilder is deceitful make me naîve?
People in the football business like to tell us it isn't like normal business. Doesn't seem that way to me.
You budget for the third lowest wages in the league? You end up in the third lowest position. Or worse, if you spend the money badly.
You are a club in the Third Division, and you offer a job to a manager who is also in the Third Division and is seen as a rising star. You are one of several businesses interested in getting him. But you have the reputation as one of the worst employers in the business. He decides to turn you down.
Not a mystery, not witchcraft, not rocket science. A perfectly normal set of business outcomes.
No way did we end up with the third lowest budget in the league, not a chance. Roland himself admitted we had gone over budget. Which makes the whole thing even worse.
I believe our playing budget was the 5th lowest - it was the third lowest the season before - but I believe our coaches were paid less than Wilder is paid at Northampton, and considerably lower than the going rate for a Championship manager. That's one straightforward explanation.
Everything agreed press release planned for tomorrow but Charlton wanted it sorted today but Wilder wanted to see the other options before deciding , so Charlton pulled the plug .....
Ok. You and Katrien could have some nose fight come the start of the season
The Sheff U angle is perfectly believable. Likewise it could easily be a story being put out by the club to try and cover up the fact they still want to meddle in transfer policy.
More likely both are true. Likely the club wouldn't make their assurances to Wilder as concrete hard as he would have liked, this may have had him wavering but might not have been enough on its own for him to turn down the job. However, once the Sheff U interest became known, he was presented with the possibility of a job at a bigger club than Northampton but one which is being run in a, shall we say, a more conventional fashion than CAFC. Factor in it's close to his home and it's an easy decision for him.
In some ways I don't blame the club for not wanting to be too heavily dictated to by a manager, after all this is Chris Wilder we are talking about signing, not Pep Guardiola. We'd be taking a bit of a punt on him as much as he would on Charlton so probably shouldn't be blindly given too much power. I'm sure enshrining that kind of thing in written a contract isn't normal practice. The trouble is though, at most clubs manager control over transfers is kind of taken as written anyway but, even if they genuinely are intending to change their ways (and that I accept if highly debatable), CAFC's reputation is so damaged in the game now by the shenanigans of the last 2 years that they have painted themselves into this corner. Any self respecting English manager, especially one who isn't out of work and desperate for a pay cheque, is going to want more than just the word of previously duplicitous CEO/Owner. SO we're left with one of 3 outcomes, from least likely to most likely (imho):
1) The club relents and gives in to the demands of a quality English manager, CW or otherwise; 2) The club makes verbal concessions or stands firm on current positions and appoints and substandard English manager who will accept the terms because they just want any old job; 3) Status quo, network manager appointed.
Wilder may have fallen through, but word is that the new scout is locked on. Katrine's gone down to pcworld to pick him up this afternoon. Apparently, everyone's very excited: he has an SSD and 32GB RAM.
We will be fine. The Sofa has gone tits up; so the next matchday experience will be to drag some unsuspecting soul from one of the local pubs to fill in. If it is me I am usually free from 2.30 onwards.
Everything agreed press release planned for tomorrow but Charlton wanted it sorted today but Wilder wanted to see the other options before deciding , so Charlton pulled the plug .....
I briefly hoped that RD might have learnt something, but no. He's going to have yet another go at doing it his way, isn't he?
I give up.
Agreed. I thought L1 he'd just go all out, get back up and then revert. But them not agreeing on things other than money tells me that RD is planning to have another go in L1. I honestly think we'll be fighting to avoid relegation.
We will be fine. The Sofa has gone tits up; so the next matchday experience will be to drag some unsuspecting soul from one of the local pubs to fill in. If it is me I am usually free from 2.30 onwards.
Free from 2.30 onwards? Very impressive that you're willing to work the same number of hours that our CEO puts in on a matchday.....
RD: ( to Katrien) Listen, love, on your way home, could you return this VR copy of Football Manager back to Argos, it doesn't seem to be working properly....
Our chairman has said there is other interest in CW and AK but no official approach.
Wilder was in Belgium last week talking to our owner, before CAFC and NTFC announced any approach, so I'm not sure how much weight that carries TBF.
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, doesn't that show Wilder up as duplicitous, happy to go behind the back of the club he's contracted to?
sorry, but are you really that naive? It happens all the time.
It may happen all the time but that doesn't make it right. Also, how does using rhetoric to point out that Wilder is deceitful make me naîve?
You're assuming that Northampton didn't know about it, which is a large assumption.
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Roland Out!!!!
Do I laugh or cry?
Seriously, anyone who has bought a season ticket, tell the club you have changed your mind and ask for a refund.
More likely both are true. Likely the club wouldn't make their assurances to Wilder as concrete hard as he would have liked, this may have had him wavering but might not have been enough on its own for him to turn down the job. However, once the Sheff U interest became known, he was presented with the possibility of a job at a bigger club than Northampton but one which is being run in a, shall we say, a more conventional fashion than CAFC. Factor in it's close to his home and it's an easy decision for him.
In some ways I don't blame the club for not wanting to be too heavily dictated to by a manager, after all this is Chris Wilder we are talking about signing, not Pep Guardiola. We'd be taking a bit of a punt on him as much as he would on Charlton so probably shouldn't be blindly given too much power. I'm sure enshrining that kind of thing in written a contract isn't normal practice. The trouble is though, at most clubs manager control over transfers is kind of taken as written anyway but, even if they genuinely are intending to change their ways (and that I accept if highly debatable), CAFC's reputation is so damaged in the game now by the shenanigans of the last 2 years that they have painted themselves into this corner. Any self respecting English manager, especially one who isn't out of work and desperate for a pay cheque, is going to want more than just the word of previously duplicitous CEO/Owner. SO we're left with one of 3 outcomes, from least likely to most likely (imho):
1) The club relents and gives in to the demands of a quality English manager, CW or otherwise;
2) The club makes verbal concessions or stands firm on current positions and appoints and substandard English manager who will accept the terms because they just want any old job;
3) Status quo, network manager appointed.
Why would anyone buy a season ticket, are we not in dispute???
I give up.
But them not agreeing on things other than money tells me that RD is planning to have another go in L1. I honestly think we'll be fighting to avoid relegation.
(News Editor of Talkshite, 3 hrs ago)
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And son of Peter Varney.
Wonder what his dad is thinking about this mess?