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Protest Song - More Than Just a Toy
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Is it a flat price or a % of the sum per download?Davo55 said:
No Sammy, because we don't get all of the 99p per download. There are costs that go to the platform.sammy391 said:In terms of making a high turnover of sales - could a large sum of money from the protest fund buy 5,000 'sales' ( so £5,000) without losing any money ?
£5k goes out of the protest fund --> buys 5,000 copies of the song --> 5,000 copies of the song produces £5,000 'profit' that is going back into the protest fund anyway = £0 loss , £0 profit
Would mean garunteed sales and a ranking on the charts , plus more media attention for reaching that amount of sales?
If a % then would've made my 'extra bit' on the download go straight into the protest fund as opposed to via bandcamp.2 -
As I understand it Bandcamp take 15% on sales up to US$5k and 10% thereafter. There may be other charges, i.e. if Paypal is used.Leeds_Addick said:
Is it a flat price or a % of the sum per download?Davo55 said:
No Sammy, because we don't get all of the 99p per download. There are costs that go to the platform.sammy391 said:In terms of making a high turnover of sales - could a large sum of money from the protest fund buy 5,000 'sales' ( so £5,000) without losing any money ?
£5k goes out of the protest fund --> buys 5,000 copies of the song --> 5,000 copies of the song produces £5,000 'profit' that is going back into the protest fund anyway = £0 loss , £0 profit
Would mean garunteed sales and a ranking on the charts , plus more media attention for reaching that amount of sales?
If a % then would've made my 'extra bit' on the download go straight into the protest fund as opposed to via bandcamp.0 -
I may have missed this already, but is there a plan to do a version of the video with subtitles so that we can try and make it go viral in Belgium?1
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Well this is news, why didn't you express these views before?kentred2 said:
Not right thread but don't agree. I don't get Trust agenda at all and you can't have fans calling for them to go whilst the Trust still chat with them. And their communication with members of their actions eg pleading again for a meeting is non existent.C4FC4L1f3 said:
All options should be explored. We don't want to give the club any reason to say the fans are being unreasonable. Also if CAST have a meeting with them imagine the questions they would ask and the shit they would get back in returnkentred2 said:Brilliant. Sums it up.
So why the Trust still grovelling to meet the clowns? Inappropriate.
Would make the Media surely.
The truth makes a bigger fool of you than you do yourself, but feel free to keep caricaturing what is actually happening.
Back to topic, the track's only 99p. If 500 people bought 10 copies (and by the way I note that you can send it as a gift via email...) that's your 5000 done.2 -
I hate PayPal. Have been trying for 25 minutes to buy a copy and still not been able to.0
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After watching the video and it's bit more clear.
It's really good! Hopefully play it at HT!1 -
At the risk of irking PL54.....Done.
Very well done all involved, that's a great effort.1 -
Loved it !!0
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Very good song. I think you should have released it, with Roland Roland you're a #### on the "B" side.1
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I was thinking something on the same lines - would be good to get a few copies made on vinyl (perhaps with valley floyd road as the B side) : give one copy to the museum and possibly get a few other copies signed by players and auctioned off with profits for the protest fund?Covered End said:Very good song. I think you should have released it, with Roland Roland you're a #### on the "B" side.
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Not based on anyone else's music, and if you are curious then I can tell you that most of my music is inspired by klezmer (Yiddish) and Balkan melodiesSalad said:Brilliant! Hope you have the appropriate rights to sell it, is it based on a specific FB3 song??
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Purchased and donated. Give it retweets on Twitter and shares on FB guys, get that protest kitty up and the knowledge spreading. Great work.0
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Coming to this late. Bloody brilliant.0
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Well thanks for the reply Mr Riddler.rikofold said:
Well this is news, why didn't you express these views before?kentred2 said:
Not right thread but don't agree. I don't get Trust agenda at all and you can't have fans calling for them to go whilst the Trust still chat with them. And their communication with members of their actions eg pleading again for a meeting is non existent.C4FC4L1f3 said:
All options should be explored. We don't want to give the club any reason to say the fans are being unreasonable. Also if CAST have a meeting with them imagine the questions they would ask and the shit they would get back in returnkentred2 said:Brilliant. Sums it up.
So why the Trust still grovelling to meet the clowns? Inappropriate.
Would make the Media surely.
The truth makes a bigger fool of you than you do yourself, but feel free to keep caricaturing what is actually happening.
Back to topic, the track's only 99p. If 500 people bought 10 copies (and by the way I note that you can send it as a gift via email...) that's your 5000 done.0 -
Good stuff. It sounded to me a bit two tone inspired but it wasn't as major and brassy, I see where you are coming from now.Big in Brasov said:
Not based on anyone else's music, and if you are curious then I can tell you that most of my music is inspired by klezmer (Yiddish) and Balkan melodiesSalad said:Brilliant! Hope you have the appropriate rights to sell it, is it based on a specific FB3 song??
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It's the bassline that gives it the ska/two-tone feelAlwaysneil said:
Good stuff. It sounded to me a bit two tone inspired but it wasn't as major and brassy, I see where you are coming from now.Big in Brasov said:
Not based on anyone else's music, and if you are curious then I can tell you that most of my music is inspired by klezmer (Yiddish) and Balkan melodiesSalad said:Brilliant! Hope you have the appropriate rights to sell it, is it based on a specific FB3 song??
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And here is the full launch story, as promised:
Normally football songs are celebratory, and released to commemorate significant achievements, such as reaching the FA Cup final. As ever, Charlton fans are doing things slightly differently.
Unhappy with the plight of the Addicks, who are the verge of relegation to League One, one supporter has decided to call his own tune - and produced a song mocking the club's owner, Roland Duchatelet.
'More than just a toy' went on sale, priced just 99p, on Monday and pours scorn on the comprehensive mis-management of the club on and off the pitch since Duchatelet took control in January 2014.
"Like many Charlton fans, I'm very upset at the way things have gone over the past few years," said John Barnes, not the former Charlton, Liverpool and England winger who famously rapped in New Order's World in Motion, but an Addicks fan from Chislehurst.
"I like music and writing songs, and thought it would be a different way to call attention to our situation, and make people aware of the circumstances at Charlton and why fans are so upset."
• Buy the song:
https://the2percent.bandcamp.com/track/more-than-just-a-toy
• Watch the video:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=89ITB5HKh9k
Over the past six months, supporters have protested vehemently against the regime, even causing two recent Championship games to be suspended after beachballs and then stressballs were thrown onto the pitch shortly after kick-off at The Valley.
In January, groups protesting against the club's owners came together to form the Coalition Against Roland Duchatelet (CARD), which has organised a range of effective protests aimed at calling attention to the fans' plight and trying to force Duchatelet to sell the club to the array of interested parties.
Further protests have included holding a mock funeral procession of the "club's hopes and dreams" before a game, and the targeting of the club's sponsors in a bid to persuade them not to associate with an entirely discredited regime.
Barnes, however, wrote the music and lyrics to 'More than just a toy' and then arranged the recording by himself, before getting in touch with CARD to ask for help to publicise the song.
All profits from the song will be donated to the Charlton protest fund, an independent bank account set up by two supporters. The fund is designed to be available to be used by all supporters on application with a protest plan, not solely CARD.
"There have been lots of protests aimed at a range of targets," added John, who is from Chislehurst and has supported the club since 1964.
"I think to keep grabbing people's attention you have to make things interesting, and this is just another way to keep chipping away at the regime. Hopefully, in some small way, it will help to contribute to change."
Barnes and his bandmates - known as The 2percent after Charlton chief executive Katrien Meire misguidedly claimed that it was only two per cent of supporters who were dissatisfied, rather than the estimated 80 per cent who have taken part in protests - have also produced an entertaining video mocking Duchatelet, Meire and non-executive chairman Richard Murray.
Each of the triumvirate has a verse of the song dedicated to them, ridiculing the bad decisions they have taken, the responsibility they have avoided, and the part they have played in running down a proud football club respected by its local community.
"I started by focusing on Roland, and the rest of it fell into place from there," explained Barnes. "I tried to make the tone mocking and highlight some of the ridiculous things that have happened, how the club is going in totally the wrong direction, and the general indifference towards fans."
'More than just a toy' is sung by John's nephew Charlie, and was recorded with the help of music students at North Kent College. The 2percent comprises John Barnes (music & lyrics), Charlie Barnes (bass guitar and vocals), Connor Toner (guitar), Adam Sewell (guitar), Liam Penny (keyboards, recording and production), and Dan Williams (drums).
John said: "One of the band was even a Millwall fan. But I think it shows how united all football fans are in the face of owners meddling with their club in this way."
The story is also published on charltoncard.tumblr.com/post/142638669631/fans-call-their-own-tune-for-protests7 -
How do we ensure Roland, Daisy & co hear this?0
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Ah, just listened to it again, yes the bass line is quite ska, and the snare drum supports it but the top line melodied take a much more minor key and beat structure that I don't hear to often but now you've said it are clearly Yiddish and maybe Balkan (showing ignorance of Balkan music here).
Great work.1 -
anyone in Dubai with a megaphone?....stonemuse said:How do we ensure Roland, Daisy & co hear this?
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I don't know about Balkan influences and all that, but I do know it's bloody good.3
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Me too.0
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Brilliant! That's very good0
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Worth a play on 6music I reckon.0
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Wel done. Go on Roland say it:
Oui, je regrette Katrien3 -
That's really good, great video too.1
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Got to be honest when I heard it on Charlton live, I thought it was awful as the mix meant I could barely hear the words.
I have played the video at least 6 times, me and the kids love it, great tune, funny video, terrific lyrics.
The line about Murray and Meire should ring out on Saturday1 -
Wouldn't say I thought it was awful, but I know exactly what you mean.JohnnyH2 said:Got to be honest when I heard it on Charlton live, I thought it was awful as the mix meant I could barely hear the words.
I have played the video at least 6 times, me and the kids love it, great tune, funny video, terrific lyrics.
The line about Murray and Meire should ring out on Saturday0
