I think it's interesting that some of the criticisms by these new posters revolve around the same issues and, regardless of the source of these posters, I think it does demonstrate that there are very few points being levelled against CARD at the moment. Notably, these points appear to be:
No one is willing to put money behind the club
The Academy is the future
CARD is a group who are angling for jobs under a new regime (<-- Can someone cast some light on this one please?!!)</li>
Most people seem to be capable of dispelling (1), namely due to Peter Varney as well as Katrien's own acknowledgement of potential buyers being readily available. Similarly, argument (2) has very little merit but seems to be a method of framing discussion around Roland's only real positive action - investment in our academy. These two points are very easy to tackle head on.
What is most peculiar however, is the more recent assertion that CARD are investing time and effort in trying to overthrow a regime in the hope of having their CV at the top of the pile for new jobs! This is very bizarre and that leads me to find it difficult to really argue against - it's just strange.
Ultimately, the first two points should no longer even be a conversation point though. Which means if these posters genuinely are from the club then they have no ammunition at all - they are truly on their last legs if they need to resort to accusations of devious job hunting tactics. The only reason this would be mentioned and spread out is to discredit CARD with other supporters - whilst also perhaps being an underhanded dig at a certain Airman who frequents this forum - I think that too is easily defeated though. I'd go as far as to suggest it could be argued against with one sentence; "It's a matter of trust, and do you trust those who are life long supporters or the regime who have been here two years and got us relegated?". I genuinely don't think it can be made much more clear than that.
The 'angling for jobs' is an interesting one. Maybe there are some that would like a job under the new regime, maybe there aren't. It's a complete red herring though and as LuckyReds so excellently puts it, it's a sign that they have no other ammunition. So what if there are some that would like to work for the club? It really doesn't matter. In fact, with the passion, energy and skill that has been displayed by card we can be certain that they'd be better than the current incompetent rabble. But the fact still remains that there are loads of other 'genuine' reasons to want them out: their player failed player-farming strategy; their general incompetence; their arrogance and unpreparedness to change and many many more. LuckyReds asks, "It's a matter of trust, and do you trust those who are life long supporters or the regime who have been here two years and got us relegated?" I trust the protesters 100%. I wouldn't trust the regime as far as I could fling them!
On the 'angling for jobs point / egos' point, months down the line now and not even the most socially active of fans could accurately guess the majority of people who input to CARD decision making / organisation. If those people were angling for jobs or recognition, they are not going about it particularly well.
What I think they mean is Rick as one of the more public-facing ones wants his job back. (Which he responded to on here over the weekend), and really is a bit of a flippant cheap shot given the amount of time, effort and determination he (alongside many others) is giving to this.
On the 'angling for jobs point / egos' point, months down the line now and not even the most socially active of fans could accurately guess the majority of people who input to CARD decision making / organisation. If those people were angling for jobs or recognition, they are not going about it particularly well.
What I think they mean is Rick as one of the more public-facing ones wants his job back. (Which he responded to on here over the weekend), and really is a bit of a flippant cheap shot given the amount of time, effort and determination he (alongside many others) is giving to this.
As a mere foot soldier for CARD, I'm hoping the position of tea lady at The Valley will become vacant when RD packs his bags.
On the 'angling for jobs point / egos' point, months down the line now and not even the most socially active of fans could accurately guess the majority of people who input to CARD decision making / organisation. If those people were angling for jobs or recognition, they are not going about it particularly well.
What I think they mean is Rick as one of the more public-facing ones wants his job back. (Which he responded to on here over the weekend), and really is a bit of a flippant cheap shot given the amount of time, effort and determination he (alongside many others) is giving to this.
As a mere foot soldier for CARD, I'm hoping the position of tea lady at The Valley will become vacant when RD packs his bags.
Sadly, I'm not qualified as a masseuse.
Just keep rubbing Roland up the wrong way Fanny, that's skill enough...
The latter argument on seeking employment with the club is a deliberate smear. It says considerably more about the author than the target
It is the last refuge of those who simply have nothing of value to say apart from the USA where is it has long been part and parcel of US elections from the selection of the local police chief to the President.
It is personal and malicious. It is meant to be.
It reflects the nature of the thinking at the club. They remain in the mind set this is personal, to them it has to be about nationality and gender.
Such is a common weakness for those "who don't do failure". If you believe you cannot fail you look anywhere and everywhere for answers why things are not going well except the one place which really matters.
It is hard to accept you are failing. For some their own self worth can never face such an issue. The line "Roland does not do failure" says it all.
Yet his withdrawal from politics, his departure from Liege, the attempt to merge Belgian & Dutch football speaks to the fact he does....... but not in his mind. With each challenge he will position others as failing to understand "his genius".
I know none of the CARD participants personally and have indeed "crossed pens" with one or two in the past.
If they can add value to the club going forward why would you turn aside their expertise? However anyone with a gram of common sense will know such deliberations are for another time.
I can but turn to the time honoured political argument it is not about the personalities it is about the issues.
The issues are the values and performance of this regime. The results are there for all to see.
The regime is in the spotlight not for who they are but for what they do and what they have done very badly. It is clearly a spotlight they cannot handle hence the endless deflection of responsibility to anyone and everyone but themselves be it the Royal Mail, the "lost in translation"articles, their own Thesaurus definitions, the University of Greenwich students, the fans, the football industry, the need to hide behind the local constabulary and now it is the personal agenda of the protestors.
Absolutely nothing to do with the failed strategy, the misguided policies, the dearth of industry experience, the failed coaches, the failed player recruitment, the instability of the senior squad, the poor results, the abysmal financial performance, the lack of any customer service standards, the crumbling attendances, the abject failure to communicate, the refusal to engage, the complete abdication of leadership..........
So limited is their skill set they have had to hire a Crisis Communications consultant. How delusional do you have to be to have to spend that sort of money to simply talk to your customers?
If we stay steadfastly focused on the performance and the issues ultimately the rest will take care of itself.
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
How you getting on with answering those questions?
You only see what you want your eyes to see. I haven't seen anyone claiming victory for anything.
You have no other goal than to wind up others and get people to bite.
I'm saddened so many have wasted their time setting out such articulate responses to you over the last few days. Contrary to your intended approach, by doing so you've actually helped to reinforce that the reasons for doing so are correct by reading others articulate responses. So thank you.
BelgiumBun and Al'sAnalSauce have both popped up in the last few days. It says on their accounts that they have been members since November 2014 and October 2015 respectively, but their actual join dates are April 4th and March 16th this year
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
Very poor response ...you are a sad individual.
Try answering some of the questions that have been asked if you want to be taken seriously as a person not connected with the club.
So what's next? ...various (new) posters over the last few days have tried disinformation, personal attacks, diversionary tactics, allusions to personal aggrandisement ... and now you are trying to provoke by labelling us as sheep. The intention being that this will annoy and upset us and lead us to being more antagonistic in our response.
Not gonna work Mr. Crisis Controller ... you have bought the wrong club.
By "club" I assume you mean Roland and Katrien, the team are actually on a late roll spurred on by the protests. The "club" has been suffering for two years before CARD emerged, so is your point we should be suffering in silence and soak up the shit being served up by the "club"?
On the 'angling for jobs point / egos' point, months down the line now and not even the most socially active of fans could accurately guess the majority of people who input to CARD decision making / organisation. If those people were angling for jobs or recognition, they are not going about it particularly well.
What I think they mean is Rick as one of the more public-facing ones wants his job back. (Which he responded to on here over the weekend), and really is a bit of a flippant cheap shot given the amount of time, effort and determination he (alongside many others) is giving to this.
As a mere foot soldier for CARD, I'm hoping the position of tea lady at The Valley will become vacant when RD packs his bags.
Sadly, I'm not qualified as a masseuse.
Just keep rubbing Roland up the wrong way Fanny, that's skill enough...
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
Maybe they're not, but exactly what are the others doing about it?
This is a time for action, not hand-wringing and reminiscing about what once was. Maybe if people like yourself have other ideas on what we should be doing, you should start organising an alternative to the CARD protests?
It's very easy to criticise others, but in the absence of an alternative, CARD are what we have, and they are making a decent fist of it. Whilst not everyone will agree with all of the forms of protest, it does give a voice to a large part of the fanbase who are fed up with the people in charge of this club.
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
Of course the club is suffering - it's been bought by a failed politician who wants to show the word he can beat FFP (plus avoid dealing with agents) by owning lots of clubs. Someone comes out proclaiming themselves to be a visionary, comparing themselves to Alan Turing, claims that YouTube was their idea, and accuses unhappy football fans of these clubs of just being unemployed people who have nothing better to do, this is not a person that should be owning football clubs.
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents. And, as all good lawyers will tell you, the best way for divorcing parents to act is to talk to each other - remind me how many times the "Shareholder" parent (or his representatives) has sought substantive talks with anyone.
All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering.
The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Self respect?
Where is your prize? The spirit of the Back to the Valley campaign has been rekindled, it's worth a fair bit in my book (though I hear that there is an excellent book on the subject that you could get on the VOTV website).
Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. That's not true. However, I should point out that this is an online forum. One of the main characteristics of online fora is that people debate. Some have suggested that those supporting the regime position are stooges, others (filled with the milk of human kindness) have argued against that. But I would expect, if I was to make statements attacking the position of the majority of posters on this forum, that they would react.
Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep. Speaking as someone who spends much of his weekends with sheep (strictly business and platonic), I do worry that you may not be quite up to speed with how they operate. String's more a cat/kitten thing... But, if it's any reassurance, we have (to an extent) been turned into sheep, as I know them - in that we are making ourselves hard to manage, unwilling to go in the direction that others want and much more hardy and resilient than expected.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are. CARD has never claimed to represent anyone outside of the coalition itself. It does, however, represent the more likely path for the club to get back to its best (strange wording, huh); rather than relying on the whims and fancies of a certain Belgian multimillionaire and visionary. Happily, the numbers of CARD supporters appear to be growing.
What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
BelgiumBun and Al'sAnalSauce have both popped up in the last few days. It says on their accounts that they have been members since November 2014 and October 2015 respectively, but their actual join dates are April 4th and March 16th this year
How did they manage that? I often look at the join date for some suspected on trolling and assume they are genuine if the date shown in a long time back. Is that not reliable?
Not sure what the club are trying to achieve via the @Belgiumbun posts. A child would be able to exercise a more subtle approach than this. But perhaps not a Belgian?
"Quote" rel="Belgiumbun">What Card and Roland are doing in my eyes is acting like divorcing parents . All this 'we are good and Roland is evil' misses the point fantastically - the club is suffering. The back slapping and claiming victory is just mind numbing arrogance. What have you won? Where is your prize? Stop and look and what this campaign had turned into? Anyone with a differing view is immediately viewed as a stooge or a scab. Surely, whoever pulls your strings is delighting in the shape that that is being created. But maybe that it what is wanted - sheep.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
Like all Charlton fans we want the club to be successful both on and off the pitch, to be successful you need leadership, someone to steer a course. When the ownership came along no one that Im aware of thought of forming CARD, We left it to to the "Experts" RD a successful businessman with few quid appeared on the surface to be perfect, obviously he would want to bring in his own staff and fresh ideas but with RM still there the whole Charlton ethos would remain. Had they gone on to improve on what we had as a club we, as you put it. Would have followed like sheep! Instead, they have slowly over a 2 year period dismantled the foundations of our club, continually making and admitting to making mistakes and not only making them, but making them again and again. Totally irrational outbursts released as "Club Statements" that wouldn't be out of place on the "I'm drunk" thread on here. CARD when first formed, from memory asked for volunteers (for which I was one) and like all organisations it needs leadership, people that are not necessarily experts in a particular field but people that would listen to others input, and with little tweak here and there come up with a solution on how to address the problem. Those people are not self appointed spokesmen and women for CARD, but who unlike myself have the foresight to sit down and think things through professionally before issuing statements, people that personally I'm perfectly happy to follow, in fact as I've said before. These are the people that RD should be surrounding himself with, people that won't agree because he's the boss but would agree if he was right. Personally, I don't think theres any chance with that man in charge, of anything changing and I had a gut feeling something had changed about Charlton Athletic while standing in the Pierre Bolangi gardens and being told something very unCharltonlike and knew it was time to take my leave.
Good post T.C.E. but would you say what you were told? I had a gut feeling something had changed about Charlton Athletic while standing in the Pierre Bolangi gardens and being told something very unCharltonlike and knew it was time to take my leave
The latter argument on seeking employment with the club is a deliberate smear. It says considerably more about the author than the target
It is the last refuge of those who simply have nothing of value to say apart from the USA where is it has long been part and parcel of US elections from the selection of the local police chief to the President.
It is personal and malicious. It is meant to be.
It reflects the nature of the thinking at the club. They remain in the mind set this is personal, to them it has to be about nationality and gender.
Such is a common weakness for those "who don't do failure". If you believe you cannot fail you look anywhere and everywhere for answers why things are not going well except the one place which really matters.
It is hard to accept you are failing. For some their own self worth can never face such an issue. The line "Roland does not do failure" says it all.
Yet his withdrawal from politics, his departure from Liege, the attempt to merge Belgian & Dutch football speaks to the fact he does....... but not in his mind. With each challenge he will position others as failing to understand "his genius".
I know none of the CARD participants personally and have indeed "crossed pens" with one or two in the past.
If they can add value to the club going forward why would you turn aside their expertise? However anyone with a gram of common sense will know such deliberations are for another time.
I can but turn to the time honoured political argument it is not about the personalities it is about the issues.
The issues are the values and performance of this regime. The results are there for all to see.
The regime is in the spotlight not for who they are but for what they do and what they have done very badly. It is clearly a spotlight they cannot handle hence the endless deflection of responsibility to anyone and everyone but themselves be it the Royal Mail, the "lost in translation"articles, their own Thesaurus definitions, the University of Greenwich students, the fans, the football industry, the need to hide behind the local constabulary and now it is the personal agenda of the protestors.
Absolutely nothing to do with the failed strategy, the misguided policies, the dearth of industry experience, the failed coaches, the failed player recruitment, the instability of the senior squad, the poor results, the abysmal financial performance, the lack of any customer service standards, the crumbling attendances, the abject failure to communicate, the refusal to engage, the complete abdication of leadership..........
So limited is their skill set they have had to hire a Crisis Communications consultant. How delusional do you have to be to have to spend that sort of money to simply talk to your customers?
If we stay steadfastly focused on the performance and the issues ultimately the rest will take care of itself.
Was going to join this debate but every single point seems to have been covered by Grapevine 49 so worth a read if you missed it earlier IMO. Only thing I can add is the 'Roland doesn't do failure' line means that Meire will remain convinced that everything will be ok even as the evidence for the collapse and desperation around her mounts. Crisis - what crisis?
Good post T.C.E. but would you say what you were told? I had a gut feeling something had changed about Charlton Athletic while standing in the Pierre Bolangi gardens and being told something very unCharltonlike and knew it was time to take my leave
No, it's not for here. But where I was when I heard this news is relevant and it saddened me.
Comments
- No one is willing to put money behind the club
- The Academy is the future
- CARD is a group who are angling for jobs under a new regime (<-- Can someone cast some light on this one please?!!)</li>
Most people seem to be capable of dispelling (1), namely due to Peter Varney as well as Katrien's own acknowledgement of potential buyers being readily available. Similarly, argument (2) has very little merit but seems to be a method of framing discussion around Roland's only real positive action - investment in our academy. These two points are very easy to tackle head on.What is most peculiar however, is the more recent assertion that CARD are investing time and effort in trying to overthrow a regime in the hope of having their CV at the top of the pile for new jobs! This is very bizarre and that leads me to find it difficult to really argue against - it's just strange.
Ultimately, the first two points should no longer even be a conversation point though. Which means if these posters genuinely are from the club then they have no ammunition at all - they are truly on their last legs if they need to resort to accusations of devious job hunting tactics. The only reason this would be mentioned and spread out is to discredit CARD with other supporters - whilst also perhaps being an underhanded dig at a certain Airman who frequents this forum - I think that too is easily defeated though. I'd go as far as to suggest it could be argued against with one sentence; "It's a matter of trust, and do you trust those who are life long supporters or the regime who have been here two years and got us relegated?". I genuinely don't think it can be made much more clear than that.
What I think they mean is Rick as one of the more public-facing ones wants his job back. (Which he responded to on here over the weekend), and really is a bit of a flippant cheap shot given the amount of time, effort and determination he (alongside many others) is giving to this.
^^ I've been censored
Sadly, I'm not qualified as a masseuse.
(Stop sniggering at the back...)
It is the last refuge of those who simply have nothing of value to say apart from the USA where is it has long been part and parcel of US elections from the selection of the local police chief to the President.
It is personal and malicious. It is meant to be.
It reflects the nature of the thinking at the club. They remain in the mind set this is personal, to them it has to be about nationality and gender.
Such is a common weakness for those "who don't do failure". If you believe you cannot fail you look anywhere and everywhere for answers why things are not going well except the one place which really matters.
It is hard to accept you are failing. For some their own self worth can never face such an issue. The line "Roland does not do failure" says it all.
Yet his withdrawal from politics, his departure from Liege, the attempt to merge Belgian & Dutch football speaks to the fact he does....... but not in his mind. With each challenge he will position others as failing to understand "his genius".
I know none of the CARD participants personally and have indeed "crossed pens" with one or two in the past.
If they can add value to the club going forward why would you turn aside their expertise? However anyone with a gram of common sense will know such deliberations are for another time.
I can but turn to the time honoured political argument it is not about the personalities it is about the issues.
The issues are the values and performance of this regime. The results are there for all to see.
The regime is in the spotlight not for who they are but for what they do and what they have done very badly. It is clearly a spotlight they cannot handle hence the endless deflection of responsibility to anyone and everyone but themselves be it the Royal Mail, the "lost in translation"articles, their own Thesaurus definitions, the University of Greenwich students, the fans, the football industry, the need to hide behind the local constabulary and now it is the personal agenda of the protestors.
Absolutely nothing to do with the failed strategy, the misguided policies, the dearth of industry experience, the failed coaches, the failed player recruitment, the instability of the senior squad, the poor results, the abysmal financial performance, the lack of any customer service standards, the crumbling attendances, the abject failure to communicate, the refusal to engage, the complete abdication of leadership..........
So limited is their skill set they have had to hire a Crisis Communications consultant. How delusional do you have to be to have to spend that sort of money to simply talk to your customers?
If we stay steadfastly focused on the performance and the issues ultimately the rest will take care of itself.
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
You have no other goal than to wind up others and get people to bite.
I'm saddened so many have wasted their time setting out such articulate responses to you over the last few days. Contrary to your intended approach, by doing so you've actually helped to reinforce that the reasons for doing so are correct by reading others articulate responses. So thank you.
Try answering some of the questions that have been asked if you want to be taken seriously as a person not connected with the club.
So what's next? ...various (new) posters over the last few days have tried disinformation, personal attacks, diversionary tactics, allusions to personal aggrandisement ... and now you are trying to provoke by labelling us as sheep. The intention being that this will annoy and upset us and lead us to being more antagonistic in our response.
Not gonna work Mr. Crisis Controller ... you have bought the wrong club.
By "club" I assume you mean Roland and Katrien, the team are actually on a late roll spurred on by the protests. The "club" has been suffering for two years before CARD emerged, so is your point we should be suffering in silence and soak up the shit being served up by the "club"?
This is a time for action, not hand-wringing and reminiscing about what once was. Maybe if people like yourself have other ideas on what we should be doing, you should start organising an alternative to the CARD protests?
It's very easy to criticise others, but in the absence of an alternative, CARD are what we have, and they are making a decent fist of it. Whilst not everyone will agree with all of the forms of protest, it does give a voice to a large part of the fanbase who are fed up with the people in charge of this club.
BelgiumbunTony Cajones isn't even attempting hide his digs at Pinocchio now.Not sure what the club are trying to achieve via the @Belgiumbun posts. A child would be able to exercise a more subtle approach than this. But perhaps not a Belgian?
You want to take a long hard look at yourself Card. Your not the only fans that want the club back to its best. Even if you think you are.
Like all Charlton fans we want the club to be successful both on and off the pitch, to be successful you need leadership, someone to steer a course. When the ownership came along no one that Im aware of thought of forming CARD, We left it to to the "Experts" RD a successful businessman with few quid appeared on the surface to be perfect, obviously he would want to bring in his own staff and fresh ideas but with RM still there the whole Charlton ethos would remain. Had they gone on to improve on what we had as a club we, as you put it. Would have followed like sheep!
Instead, they have slowly over a 2 year period dismantled the foundations of our club, continually making and admitting to making mistakes and not only making them, but making them again and again. Totally irrational outbursts released as "Club Statements" that wouldn't be out of place on the "I'm drunk" thread on here. CARD when first formed, from memory asked for volunteers (for which I was one) and like all organisations it needs leadership, people that are not necessarily experts in a particular field but people that would listen to others input, and with little tweak here and there come up with a solution on how to address the problem. Those people are not self appointed spokesmen and women for CARD, but who unlike myself have the foresight to sit down and think things through professionally before issuing statements, people that personally I'm perfectly happy to follow, in fact as I've said before. These are the people that RD should be surrounding himself with, people that won't agree because he's the boss but would agree if he was right. Personally, I don't think theres any chance with that man in charge, of anything changing and I had a gut feeling something had changed about Charlton Athletic while standing in the Pierre Bolangi gardens and being told something very unCharltonlike and knew it was time to take my leave.
I had a gut feeling something had changed about Charlton Athletic while standing in the Pierre Bolangi gardens and being told something very unCharltonlike and knew it was time to take my leave
Crisis - what crisis?