Was at York Hall tonight supporting one of Nolly's mates Dan Azeez. Put in a very solid performance against a tough opponent and got a good win. Going places hopefully.
Impossible to truly compare and the best way is to try to objectively look at opponents they fought.
Without doubt, Tyson at 21/22 was a scary, scary man but (and not his fault) the quality of his opponents up to that point is questionable. For me, he doesn't make top 10 of all time. It's all opinions of course but Tyson at 21 (at his best) would not in my opinion have beaten for example Foreman, Lewis, Holmes or Frazier at their best.
Ali was beating Liston when he was 22!
Tyson on Ali:
“In this situation, every head must bow, every tongue must confess, this man is the greatest of all time,”
“I’ve seen him in the ring with killers. Foreman, Frazier – killers who hit much harder than I and he takes these guys greatest punches and that’s what made him such a champion.
“Watching Ali gave me this confidence and deep down inner belief.
“He used to make every prediction come true. He would take his character and use it to reflect against his opponents – and he made them believe that he was invincible."
"From a boxing perspective, Ali is a fucking animal. He looks more like a model than a fighter. What he is is a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a pretty face. He’s just mean and evil. He’ll take you to deep water and drown you. He’s very special. Best in the world.
The Tyson debate will always roll on and the saddest thing is he ruined it
No one can ever say they saw the best Iron Mike
If you take the 15yr old boy who was steamrolling the best around at that age and up to 18yr old USA Olympic team fighters
Or the 19 yr old beast that feared no one
The 21 yr old angry animal of a fighter who was fearless and carried insane power combined with an uncomfortable and uncontrollable aggression
But that wasn’t the best Tyson we never got to see him , the years that he would’ve progressed in the ring and the yrs that he should have created a pathway to greatness he lost through poor mgmt poor decisions and breaking the law
The Tyson we got after the jail sentence was a man fuelled by anger and hatred never a great combo for a boxer
The calm man beats the angry man and he experienced that against Holyfield and Lewis
The Tyson debate will always roll on and the saddest thing is he ruined it
No one can ever say they saw the best Iron Mike
If you take the 15yr old boy who was steamrolling the best around at that age and up to 18yr old USA Olympic team fighters
Or the 19 yr old beast that feared no one
The 21 yr old angry animal of a fighter who was fearless and carried insane power combined with an uncomfortable and uncontrollable aggression
But that wasn’t the best Tyson we never got to see him , the years that he would’ve progressed in the ring and the yrs that he should have created a pathway to greatness he lost through poor mgmt poor decisions and breaking the law
The Tyson we got after the jail sentence was a man fuelled by anger and hatred never a great combo for a boxer
The calm man beats the angry man and he experienced that against Holyfield and Lewis
Not top 3 imo
He could have been one of the all time greats, but never quite got there,and the only person to blame for that is Mike Tyson.
The Tyson debate will always roll on and the saddest thing is he ruined it
No one can ever say they saw the best Iron Mike
If you take the 15yr old boy who was steamrolling the best around at that age and up to 18yr old USA Olympic team fighters
Or the 19 yr old beast that feared no one
The 21 yr old angry animal of a fighter who was fearless and carried insane power combined with an uncomfortable and uncontrollable aggression
But that wasn’t the best Tyson we never got to see him , the years that he would’ve progressed in the ring and the yrs that he should have created a pathway to greatness he lost through poor mgmt poor decisions and breaking the law
The Tyson we got after the jail sentence was a man fuelled by anger and hatred never a great combo for a boxer
The calm man beats the angry man and he experienced that against Holyfield and Lewis
Not top 3 imo
Can't disagree with any of that, D.
I would add though that if we didn't get the chance to see the best of Tyson then the same could be said of Ali. We never saw him in the ring from when he was 25 to when he was nearly 29. The best we saw of him was in 66 and 67 and although his fights against Frazier and Foreman secured his legacy, it is his fights against Cleveland Williams (nobody wanted to fight Williams), Ernie Terrell (which showed just how down right nasty Ali could be - 'what's my name??") and Zora Folley showed a glimpse of just how great he was and how even greater he would have been in his prime years.
The Ali of 66/67 is the greatest heavyweight in history and apart from the two Sugar Rays I would say the best pound for pound boxer in history - and I accept that's an improbable claim for a heavyweight.
Sorry to bore on about it but I couldn't begin to describe my feelings for the man. He alone cemented my love of boxing at the age of 7 and I simply love Ali and will forever cherish his memory and give thanks that I was of an age to see him and to therefore know that he was indeed the greatest.
Ali is such a difficult one as I only ever got to see the show reels and even then the quality of footage although great for the time is terrible in comparison to today’s footage
But it’s there to see, the finesse the shot choices and the durability , his footwork was still the most graceful for any heavyweight I have seen ever
I think the adage you can’t hit what you can’t catch would mean that Ali would have humiliated Tyson
Tyson’s movement and shot selection were novice level in comparison
Ali vs Lewis would be the deciding fight and I don’t know how that would unfold
Was at York Hall tonight supporting one of Nolly's mates Dan Azeez. Put in a very solid performance against a tough opponent and got a good win. Going places hopefully.
Just caught up with last nights boxing, great for Cheesman really like the cut of his jib, all pressure, didn't let up all fight. Fury should pack it in, awful boxer, footwork non existent, timing was so far out I think he'd already put his clock back. And how slow is he, terrible, I fear he could get hurt by a better class, more heavy handed fighter.
Danny Jacobs fights on Saturday for the vacant IBF Middleweight title and I so hope he wins and then gets a deserved shot at unification against Canelo after not getting the rematch against Golovkin.
Come on Miracle Man - for many reasons my favourite boxer, probably my favourite sportsman, on the planet.
Jacobs boxed beautifully against a very impressive (no surprise based on his stellar amateur record) Derevyanchenko and is at last back to being a world champion.
Well done, Danny - now for Canelo in Vegas next May which will force me kicking and screaming into making another trip!
Whyte v Chisora rematch confirmed for 22nd December @ O2 Same night as Frampton v Warrington 2 PPVs on the same night.
Whyte v Chisora as a PPV is a pisstake
Even if it's as good as their last fight (a belter by anyone's standards) they aren't box office. Whyte isn't a fan favourite, and chisora, whilst proven as a tough nut, has far exceeded his ability
Whyte v Chisora rematch confirmed for 22nd December @ O2 Same night as Frampton v Warrington 2 PPVs on the same night.
Whyte v Chisora as a PPV is a pisstake
Even if it's as good as their last fight (a belter by anyone's standards) they aren't box office. Whyte isn't a fan favourite, and chisora, whilst proven as a tough nut, has far exceeded his ability
Piss poor from Hearn to put that on at the same time
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Great venue and always a good show there.
Think it was on box nation.
Pulev looked a bit wired to me at the face off
Without doubt, Tyson at 21/22 was a scary, scary man but (and not his fault) the quality of his opponents up to that point is questionable. For me, he doesn't make top 10 of all time. It's all opinions of course but Tyson at 21 (at his best) would not in my opinion have beaten for example Foreman, Lewis, Holmes or Frazier at their best.
Ali was beating Liston when he was 22!
Tyson on Ali:
“In this situation, every head must bow, every tongue must confess, this man is the greatest of all time,”
“I’ve seen him in the ring with killers. Foreman, Frazier – killers who hit much harder than I and he takes these guys greatest punches and that’s what made him such a champion.
“Watching Ali gave me this confidence and deep down inner belief.
“He used to make every prediction come true. He would take his character and use it to reflect against his opponents – and he made them believe that he was invincible."
"From a boxing perspective, Ali is a fucking animal. He looks more like a model than a fighter. What he is is a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a pretty face. He’s just mean and evil. He’ll take you to deep water and drown you. He’s very special. Best in the world.
"Nobody beats Ali."
Ali at the peak of his powers beats Tyson any day of the week and twice on a Sunday.
He took on two absolute monsters in Liston and Foreman - both who had better wins on their records than Tyson, and beat them both.
Tyson was fearsome for a while, but over a longer period against better quality opponents, his record is less impressive.
No one can ever say they saw the best Iron Mike
If you take the 15yr old boy who was steamrolling the best around at that age and up to 18yr old USA Olympic team fighters
Or the 19 yr old beast that feared no one
The 21 yr old angry animal of a fighter who was fearless and carried insane power combined with an uncomfortable and uncontrollable aggression
But that wasn’t the best Tyson we never got to see him , the years that he would’ve progressed in the ring and the yrs that he should have created a pathway to greatness he lost through poor mgmt poor decisions and breaking the law
The Tyson we got after the jail sentence was a man fuelled by anger and hatred never a great combo for a boxer
The calm man beats the angry man and he experienced that against Holyfield and Lewis
Not top 3 imo
I would add though that if we didn't get the chance to see the best of Tyson then the same could be said of Ali. We never saw him in the ring from when he was 25 to when he was nearly 29. The best we saw of him was in 66 and 67 and although his fights against Frazier and Foreman secured his legacy, it is his fights against Cleveland Williams (nobody wanted to fight Williams), Ernie Terrell (which showed just how down right nasty Ali could be - 'what's my name??") and Zora Folley showed a glimpse of just how great he was and how even greater he would have been in his prime years.
The Ali of 66/67 is the greatest heavyweight in history and apart from the two Sugar Rays I would say the best pound for pound boxer in history - and I accept that's an improbable claim for a heavyweight.
Sorry to bore on about it but I couldn't begin to describe my feelings for the man. He alone cemented my love of boxing at the age of 7 and I simply love Ali and will forever cherish his memory and give thanks that I was of an age to see him and to therefore know that he was indeed the greatest.
But it’s there to see, the finesse the shot choices and the durability , his footwork was still the most graceful for any heavyweight I have seen ever
I think the adage you can’t hit what you can’t catch would mean that Ali would have humiliated Tyson
Tyson’s movement and shot selection were novice level in comparison
Ali vs Lewis would be the deciding fight and I don’t know how that would unfold
Fury should pack it in, awful boxer, footwork non existent, timing was so far out I think he'd already put his clock back. And how slow is he, terrible, I fear he could get hurt by a better class, more heavy handed fighter.
Well done, Danny - now for Canelo in Vegas next May which will force me kicking and screaming into making another trip!
Same night as Frampton v Warrington
2 PPVs on the same night.