further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
People need to do whatever they decide is best but I don't think it's a question of pure economics. There is no clearer message to them of fans' displeasure than a significant drop in season ticket sales. Even if they may end up taking more revenue over the course of a season from some fans, there are cashflow issues, the loss of guaranteed up front revenues and a very clear message that the fans will not tolerate the way that this club is being run.
That's my position but I completely appreciate that this will not be the answer for everyone and think individuals need to make the call that is right for them.
I wont be renewing. I bought one this year and haven't been to a game all season - more fool me. The second they are gone, I will renew (if the offer is still there) or will purchase a half, and then renew.
You do have to ask though, does it make financial sense to lower the price to £150 - even if it turns out to be an average figure per ticket? It will probably generate less than £1M income although in League 1 this may be a decent return?
I don't think anyone's suggesting all prices would be £150, just that they will tweak the existing model. Season tickets will currently generate a little bit more than £2m in income, so the average revenue is not much more than £200 per ticket in the first place.
further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
This going to sound stupid, probably because it is...
If all those who might go to some games, but not all, were to share season tickets with each other (while I have the voices in my head, I have heard that some people have friends), divvying up in advance the matches between them; up to 3-4 per season ticket - would that not allow people to get their fix and hit the regime in the pocket as well?
Just a thought.
Does not sound stupid at all, makes perfect sense.
Many thanks to all of you who responded to my quandary which all make perfect sense. I expect the quality time I spend with my dear ole' Dad especially on traditional match days will overcome the hate I have towards RD and at least I will be able to carry on attending the protests (which always makes me feel better) until RD does us all a favour & get's his sorry a*se out of "our" club.
I wont be renewing. I bought one this year and haven't been to a game all season - more fool me. The second they are gone, I will renew (if the offer is still there) or will purchase a half, and then renew.
You do have to ask though, does it make financial sense to lower the price to £150 - even if it turns out to be an average figure per ticket? It will probably generate less than £1M income although in League 1 this may be a decent return?
I don't think anyone's suggesting all prices would be £150, just that they will tweak the existing model. Season tickets will currently generate a little bit more than £2m in income, so the average revenue is not much more than £200 per ticket in the first place.
They will do well to sell 5000 before the season kicks-off, so a million quid down. If Roland Duchatelet hasn't spotted his biggest problem by then, he is a bigger clown than I already believe him to be. If Richard Murray had a backbone he would have already told Duchatelet that Katrien Meire has burnt her bridges and her position at Charlton is untenable. Things may not improve under Duchatelet but they will just get worse all the time that arrogant woman is calling the shots.
I wont be renewing. I bought one this year and haven't been to a game all season - more fool me. The second they are gone, I will renew (if the offer is still there) or will purchase a half, and then renew.
You do have to ask though, does it make financial sense to lower the price to £150 - even if it turns out to be an average figure per ticket? It will probably generate less than £1M income although in League 1 this may be a decent return?
I don't think anyone's suggesting all prices would be £150, just that they will tweak the existing model. Season tickets will currently generate a little bit more than £2m in income, so the average revenue is not much more than £200 per ticket in the first place.
They will do well to sell 5000 before the season kicks-off, so a million quid down. If Roland Duchatelet hasn't spotted his biggest problem by then, he is a bigger clown than I already believe him to be. If Richard Murray had a backbone he would have already told Duchatelet that Katrien Meire has burnt her bridges and her position at Charlton is untenable. Things may not improve under Duchatelet but they will just get worse all the time that arrogant woman is calling the shots.
Agreed, but she's only there now because Duchatelet hasn't got a clue. Murray isn't going to rock that boat in case he's the one thrown overboard.
further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
This going to sound stupid, probably because it is...
If all those who might go to some games, but not all, were to share season tickets with each other (while I have the voices in my head, I have heard that some people have friends), divvying up in advance the matches between them; up to 3-4 per season ticket - would that not allow people to get their fix and hit the regime in the pocket as well?
Just a thought.
Hmmm... That made me look up the T&C - 4. Season tickets are NON transferrable. Should a season ticket holder not be available to attend a match & wish a colleague/friend to attend then the season ticket holder is to contact the ticket office. We will arrange for a paper ticket to be collected. This arrangement cannot be processed on match-day. The season ticket holder shall be deemed responsible for the behaviour of the 3rd party using the paper ticket. 7. If a supporter wishes to transfer their season ticket for a particular match to another part of the stadium then this transaction will be free of charge for 3 occasions throughout the season. Any further requests will be charged the necessary upgrade fee
So it is possible with a lot of organisation. Could Clause 7 help make the club "unmanageable"? Like Weegie, physical distance keeps me from thinking about a season ticket, but sharing a ticket would be more palatable at this point.
BTW @Sam lloyd - there should be no quandary - family first, my old Dad (95 in April) won't go to live games due to eyesight issues. It's a privilege to sit with him when the Sons are on TV and he can watch and listen to my superb commentary!! But I really wish he was there at the game :-(
further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
This going to sound stupid, probably because it is...
If all those who might go to some games, but not all, were to share season tickets with each other (while I have the voices in my head, I have heard that some people have friends), divvying up in advance the matches between them; up to 3-4 per season ticket - would that not allow people to get their fix and hit the regime in the pocket as well?
Just a thought.
Hmmm... That made me look up the T&C - 4. Season tickets are NON transferrable. Should a season ticket holder not be available to attend a match & wish a colleague/friend to attend then the season ticket holder is to contact the ticket office. We will arrange for a paper ticket to be collected. This arrangement cannot be processed on match-day. The season ticket holder shall be deemed responsible for the behaviour of the 3rd party using the paper ticket. 7. If a supporter wishes to transfer their season ticket for a particular match to another part of the stadium then this transaction will be free of charge for 3 occasions throughout the season. Any further requests will be charged the necessary upgrade fee
So it is possible with a lot of organisation. Could Clause 7 help make the club "unmanageable"? Like Weegie, physical distance keeps me from thinking about a season ticket, but sharing a ticket would be more palatable at this point.
BTW @Sam lloyd - there should be no quandary - family first, my old Dad (95 in April) won't go to live games due to eyesight issues. It's a privilege to sit with him when the Sons are on TV and he can watch and listen to my superb commentary!! But I really wish he was there at the game :-(
What are they going to do, demand proof of identity at the turnstiles? As noted before, the non-transferability of STs is a recent change. It's unenforceable in practice.
further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
This going to sound stupid, probably because it is...
If all those who might go to some games, but not all, were to share season tickets with each other (while I have the voices in my head, I have heard that some people have friends), divvying up in advance the matches between them; up to 3-4 per season ticket - would that not allow people to get their fix and hit the regime in the pocket as well?
Just a thought.
Hmmm... That made me look up the T&C - 4. Season tickets are NON transferrable. Should a season ticket holder not be available to attend a match & wish a colleague/friend to attend then the season ticket holder is to contact the ticket office. We will arrange for a paper ticket to be collected. This arrangement cannot be processed on match-day. The season ticket holder shall be deemed responsible for the behaviour of the 3rd party using the paper ticket. 7. If a supporter wishes to transfer their season ticket for a particular match to another part of the stadium then this transaction will be free of charge for 3 occasions throughout the season. Any further requests will be charged the necessary upgrade fee
So it is possible with a lot of organisation. Could Clause 7 help make the club "unmanageable"? Like Weegie, physical distance keeps me from thinking about a season ticket, but sharing a ticket would be more palatable at this point.
BTW @Sam lloyd - there should be no quandary - family first, my old Dad (95 in April) won't go to live games due to eyesight issues. It's a privilege to sit with him when the Sons are on TV and he can watch and listen to my superb commentary!! But I really wish he was there at the game :-(
What are they going to do, demand proof of identity at the turnstiles? As noted before, the non-transferability of STs is a recent change. It's unenforceable in practice.
True, but my reading (from afar) is that the club have recently put aside previously non-enforceable practices in order to try and use their rule book to crack a grape, e.g. Sebs flag. Their rules say that tickets are, in effect, transferable - not on match days, but it says nothing about Thursdays :-)
further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
This going to sound stupid, probably because it is...
If all those who might go to some games, but not all, were to share season tickets with each other (while I have the voices in my head, I have heard that some people have friends), divvying up in advance the matches between them; up to 3-4 per season ticket - would that not allow people to get their fix and hit the regime in the pocket as well?
Just a thought.
Hmmm... That made me look up the T&C - 4. Season tickets are NON transferrable. Should a season ticket holder not be available to attend a match & wish a colleague/friend to attend then the season ticket holder is to contact the ticket office. We will arrange for a paper ticket to be collected. This arrangement cannot be processed on match-day. The season ticket holder shall be deemed responsible for the behaviour of the 3rd party using the paper ticket. 7. If a supporter wishes to transfer their season ticket for a particular match to another part of the stadium then this transaction will be free of charge for 3 occasions throughout the season. Any further requests will be charged the necessary upgrade fee
So it is possible with a lot of organisation. Could Clause 7 help make the club "unmanageable"? Like Weegie, physical distance keeps me from thinking about a season ticket, but sharing a ticket would be more palatable at this point.
BTW @Sam lloyd - there should be no quandary - family first, my old Dad (95 in April) won't go to live games due to eyesight issues. It's a privilege to sit with him when the Sons are on TV and he can watch and listen to my superb commentary!! But I really wish he was there at the game :-(
What are they going to do, demand proof of identity at the turnstiles? As noted before, the non-transferability of STs is a recent change. It's unenforceable in practice.
As Airman says, while this seems to be a fairly standard clause across football, how is it enforceable. The only possible way they could is if an adult tried to get in on a concession ticket.
Didn't renew our 3 at beginning of this season as I really wasn't happy with the way things had gone since RD arrived. Will buy 3 again when they've gone, whatever league we're in.
further to comments on here I'm now in a little bit of a quandary. I don't want to renew and was going to attend most, not all, games and buy as and when as I didn't want to give them the benefit of my money up front. However, if I attend say 20 games out of the 23 then I am more than likely, over the season, to actually give them more money than if I actually purchased a season ticket. So, what do I do? Buy a season ticket but at the last minute? Stick to my original plan? How would not buying one affect their financial planning?
This going to sound stupid, probably because it is...
If all those who might go to some games, but not all, were to share season tickets with each other (while I have the voices in my head, I have heard that some people have friends), divvying up in advance the matches between them; up to 3-4 per season ticket - would that not allow people to get their fix and hit the regime in the pocket as well?
Just a thought.
Hmmm... That made me look up the T&C - 4. Season tickets are NON transferrable. Should a season ticket holder not be available to attend a match & wish a colleague/friend to attend then the season ticket holder is to contact the ticket office. We will arrange for a paper ticket to be collected. This arrangement cannot be processed on match-day. The season ticket holder shall be deemed responsible for the behaviour of the 3rd party using the paper ticket. 7. If a supporter wishes to transfer their season ticket for a particular match to another part of the stadium then this transaction will be free of charge for 3 occasions throughout the season. Any further requests will be charged the necessary upgrade fee
So it is possible with a lot of organisation. Could Clause 7 help make the club "unmanageable"? Like Weegie, physical distance keeps me from thinking about a season ticket, but sharing a ticket would be more palatable at this point.
BTW @Sam lloyd - there should be no quandary - family first, my old Dad (95 in April) won't go to live games due to eyesight issues. It's a privilege to sit with him when the Sons are on TV and he can watch and listen to my superb commentary!! But I really wish he was there at the game :-(
What are they going to do, demand proof of identity at the turnstiles? As noted before, the non-transferability of STs is a recent change. It's unenforceable in practice.
As Airman says, while this seems to be a fairly standard clause across football, how is it enforceable. The only possible way they could is if an adult tried to get in on a concession ticket.
I bought season tickets for two of my children, not because my daughter has any interest in football but because it was cheap and I thought she may fancy attending a game or two. To date, she hasn't been once and my son has also missed plenty of home games-the electronic system doesn't differentiate between a child or an adult gaining entry because, in their absence, my non ST owning friends have regularly used their tickets and had no issues getting in.
Won't be a problem next season for them (the club) or us (my family) because, as I may have mentioned, I will not be renewing whilst we are owned by people who see success on the pitch as secondary to having a tasty sandwich beforehand.
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That's my position but I completely appreciate that this will not be the answer for everyone and think individuals need to make the call that is right for them.
That made me look up the T&C -
4. Season tickets are NON transferrable. Should a season ticket holder not be available to attend a match & wish a colleague/friend to attend then the season ticket holder is to contact the ticket office. We will arrange for a paper ticket to be collected. This arrangement cannot be processed on match-day. The season ticket holder shall be deemed responsible for the behaviour of the 3rd party using the paper ticket.
7. If a supporter wishes to transfer their season ticket for a particular match to another part of the stadium then this transaction will be free of charge for 3 occasions throughout the season. Any further requests will be charged the necessary upgrade fee
So it is possible with a lot of organisation. Could Clause 7 help make the club "unmanageable"? Like Weegie, physical distance keeps me from thinking about a season ticket, but sharing a ticket would be more palatable at this point.
BTW @Sam lloyd - there should be no quandary - family first, my old Dad (95 in April) won't go to live games due to eyesight issues. It's a privilege to sit with him when the Sons are on TV and he can watch and listen to my superb commentary!! But I really wish he was there at the game :-(
Won't be a problem next season for them (the club) or us (my family) because, as I may have mentioned, I will not be renewing whilst we are owned by people who see success on the pitch as secondary to having a tasty sandwich beforehand.
Fuck off Roland.