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But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
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So they can be educated as the leaflets are handed out.Red_in_SE8 said:
But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
'Did you know that the Charlton Athletic board believe only 2% of fans are unhappy with the current state of affairs at the club. Please show them they are wrong by holding up this card at XXXX time during the match today. Thank you'.17 -
Can assure that if others think it's a worthwhile exercise to take forward, everyone in the ground will know exactly what it is all aboutRed_in_SE8 said:
But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
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Seems like a big logistical task to achieve that. Especially in such a short time frame. A lot of planning and coordination is required but I suppose a lot of Charlton fans have these things in their DNA. It will be interesting to see how successful it is. For it to have an impact most people in the ground need to know the background when the signs are held up.AFKABartram said:
Can assure that if others think it's a worthwhile exercise to take forward, everyone in the ground will know exactly what it is all aboutRed_in_SE8 said:
But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
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I think this is a great idea, well done whoever thought of it. Me & my old man will be available to give out the 2% leaflets if neededAFKABartram said:
Can assure that if others think it's a worthwhile exercise to take forward, everyone in the ground will know exactly what it is all aboutRed_in_SE8 said:
But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
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Hack the database, send an email to all the names, job doneRed_in_SE8 said:
Seems like a big logistical task to achieve that. Especially in such a short time frame. A lot of planning and coordination is required but I suppose a lot of Charlton fans have these things in their DNA. It will be interesting to see how successful it is. For it to have an impact most people in the ground need to know the background when the signs are held up.AFKABartram said:
Can assure that if others think it's a worthwhile exercise to take forward, everyone in the ground will know exactly what it is all aboutRed_in_SE8 said:
But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
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Same.Charlton Road James said:
I think this is a great idea, well done whoever thought of it. Me & my old man will be available to give out the 2% leaflets if neededAFKABartram said:
Can assure that if others think it's a worthwhile exercise to take forward, everyone in the ground will know exactly what it is all aboutRed_in_SE8 said:
But the signs would only make sense to KM, the people on here who have read this thread and people who have watched the video of the meeting all the way through. I think maybe 90% of the fans inside the ground would not have a clue about what the 2% sign refered to.rikofold said:
Sure, but if a small number of fans do it, it's at least accurate ;-)Atletico Addick said:It's a good idea but needs to well organised, or we'll have 10 fans scattered about supporting this, 100 still outside protesting, 400 wearing black and white and 1 guy lobbing tennis balls and 2 blowing whistles.
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Leaflets cost, if someone is printing them I'll happily PayPal you five or ten quid.0
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#nomeirelies would have been catchier on his hashtag.3 -
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Not all of us think it's the brightest move to get Roland out. Using his money more wisely than he is would be better.The Red Robin said:Saw this on Facebook earlier.
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Plus not sure the Belgian flag background is the wisest move-you know the racist / Xenophobia card is going to come out soon. Our focus should be on the protagonists not where they're from......10
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People could download it and print it off themselves.RedPanda said:Leaflets cost, if someone is printing them I'll happily PayPal you five or ten quid.
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I'd just like to make it clear that while the image on those flyers is my Pinocchio handiwork, its been taken from here and I have nothing to do with them. I don't agree with putting the Belgian flag on any Roland Out material simply because the nationality is irrelevant and it gives them an opportunity to make out the campaign is xenophobic much in the same way KM likes to play the gender card.rikofold said:
Not all of us think it's the brightest move to get Roland out. Using his money more wisely than he is would be better.The Red Robin said:Saw this on Facebook earlier.
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rikofold said:
Not all of us think it's the brightest move to get Roland out. Using his money more wisely than he is would be better.The Red Robin said:Saw this on Facebook earlier.
Just passing on what I saw. I have nothing to do with it.HandG said:Plus not sure the Belgian flag background is the wisest move-you know the racist / Xenophobia card is going to come out soon. Our focus should be on the protagonists not where they're from......
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To Give out a Flyer is better than asking people to print a copy off.ME14addick said:
People could download it and print it off themselves.RedPanda said:Leaflets cost, if someone is printing them I'll happily PayPal you five or ten quid.
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With respect to your goodself, have you ever known management of any level and in all walks of life and any industry. To hold their hands up and say "I'm not very good at this job" ??mogodon said:If she keeps stating, as she did, that she has answered a question put to her time and time again, might it not trigger something deep inside her head that perhaps she's not actually explaining it very well?
If KM was to be sacked tomorrow, it would be your fault, my fault, the fans didn't like her, she was just turning it around and needed more time. I've said my opinion before. But if you want to run it like a business then its got to be correct right the way through the business. If it was a restaurant, you could put the best grub in the world on the tables but if the concierge is an ar53hole you aint going in....
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And the chances of that happening? Was increasing budgets dealt with at all/adequately at the meeting?rikofold said:
Not all of us think it's the brightest move to get Roland out. Using his money more wisely than he is would be better.The Red Robin said:Saw this on Facebook earlier.
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So is the campaign to spell it out in Black and White or for them To Go ? They can't do both.1
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Different people want different things. Most just want things approached better / differently.PL54 said:So is the campaign to spell it out in Black and White or for them To Go ? They can't do both.
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Of course, there are lots of different opinions out there but would a united, or largely consistent approach or set of desired outcomes not be more effective ? Otherwise its just a lot of shouting. I assume all the printing of these flyers is being given to local companies in SE7 ! Community Club n'all.AFKABartram said:
Different people want different things. Most just want things approached better / differently.PL54 said:So is the campaign to spell it out in Black and White or for them To Go ? They can't do both.
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Thanks for asking, yes I have managed editorial teams for large multinational companies for about 20 years. And if I stood in front of them or shareholders and kept being asked the same questions I would realise either I was not getting my point across or they were being obtuse because they did not like the answers. I did not ask her to admit either publicly but to do so to herself. If she was asked tomorrow it would not be my fault or your fault or the fans' fault. It would be hers for not meeting the basic requirements of her job. That we are pointing out those failings does not make us accomplices to her deficiencies.T.C.E said:
With respect to your goodself, have you ever known management of any level and in all walks of life and any industry. To hold their hands up and say "I'm not very good at this job" ??mogodon said:If she keeps stating, as she did, that she has answered a question put to her time and time again, might it not trigger something deep inside her head that perhaps she's not actually explaining it very well?
If KM was to be sacked tomorrow, it would be your fault, my fault, the fans didn't like her, she was just turning it around and needed more time. I've said my opinion before. But if you want to run it like a business then its got to be correct right the way through the business. If it was a restaurant, you could put the best grub in the world on the tables but if the concierge is an ar53hole you aint going in....2 -
Printing them in black and white is also a whole lot cheaper.HandG said:Plus not sure the Belgian flag background is the wisest move-you know the racist / Xenophobia card is going to come out soon. Our focus should be on the protagonists not where they're from......
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2% could be ?
The Fanbase who want more than 14 chips.
The Fanbase who are unhappy with the management.
The Fanbase who are Gay.
The Fanbase who thought the Sofa was crass.
The Fanbase who thought the pie cam was gross.
The Fanbase who thought that "sex on the pitch" was a cocktail.
The Fanbase who don't know who Katrien Miere is.
The Fanbase who are under 30.
The Fanbase who have irritable vowel syndrome2 -
The Fanbase who thought the Sofa was crass.
- I think that will be more way more than 2%.2 -
A few comments from some conversations I have had with people since the meeting on Tuesday. Whether this is spin or otherwise, not sure. However, the people i have spoken to have been honest and fair with me in other circumstances, so I tend to believe, at least, the spirit in which it has been said.
* The club knew that they had to do something as it was clear the protests would grow, thus the meeting.
* Effort was put into the presentation because they were keen to get over positive messages about long time plans but didn't really think about the questions they might be asked. The plan with answering questions was to try to be honest and didn't have any answers prepared.
* Thought the opening outline of the issues from fans was clear and raised some genuine concerns. They were worried that they would be hammered in questioning, but thought this didn't happen. Felt that they were let off the hook with some of the questions asked and too many people making long statements rather than putting questions.
* Felt that a number of the questions were about important issues, but ones that should be dealt with in other forums, especially ones about specific operational problems. Felt this took up too much of the meeting and therefore didn't get to the key issues.
* It hadn't occurred to them that the way the meeting was arranged and managed might have a negative effect on how people perceive them. Was a surprise that a meeting billed as a round table between KM and RM and a smallish group of fans, but was actually a panel, with a top table to a bigger audience (including club employees) might be considered in a less than positive way. There had been some talk about having a bigger panel with other people in key roles, but decided not to do this.
* On a similar note, it had not occurred to them how important the language used is. That saying 'them' and 'their' to describe fans, instead of talking about 'us' and how 'we' are going to get out of this together, might be considered less than positive was a surprise.
* The desire to communicate more with fans and in a better and open way is an honest one and they are looking at how this can be done going forward. They seem very keen on the openness bit and want more filming of meetings. One suggestion is live streaming and taking questions online if it can be done. There is an awareness that there is a long way to go but want to do better.
* They are monitoring social media but are aware that they are not using it properly to talk to fans and get out the key messages. This is being looked at.
* They are pleased with the Vaz Te signing and know that the playing squad is one of the major issues with fans. There is also a strong belief that if we start winning more than we lose, much of the dissatisfaction will melt away.
* They see groups like CAST as important, but think that they are only one voice out of many. They are conscious that the trust do not represent all fans and are actually seen in a negative way by some fans. Want to get broadest range of views possible.
So this might be all spin, as I said, I think there is some truth in the way it was said to me. My view is that there are some interesting and positive things in all of this, but there is quite a lot of naivety in what is going on. Also, all of this is against a backdrop of what RD thinks and does, which is still not clear, so it might be that, whatever the good intentions, things won't happen. We will see.
In other news (not seen this elsewhere, but I might have missed it) look out for a new (interim) signing in a different sphere to the playing squad, coming our way this week. It is a sign that the club is taking some of what is being said seriously and trying to make things better.6 -
Guess we'll have to wait & see, henry.
Actions will speak louder than words though....3 -
indeed.Fanny Fanackapan said:Guess we'll have to wait & see, henry.
Actions will speak louder than words though....0 -
Sadly, that reads like "He can stay and keep pumping his money only if I'm (we are) allowed to dictate what it's spent on"rikofold said:
Not all of us think it's the brightest move to get Roland out. Using his money more wisely than he is would be better.The Red Robin said:Saw this on Facebook earlier.
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No, I think "dictate" comes from your imagination.
Reads to me like: "What a shame that we have an owner who is prepared to invest in our club but does it so wastefully and inadvisedly"15
