Some of the defence of this man is truly shocking to me.
The nature of his comments, to me, implies institutional racism (much like some of the posters on here don't seem to realise how dated and offensive their 'harmless' language is). It implies that in public he knows what not to say, but in private is happy to refer to people he cares little about in the most derogatory terms possible.
I do agree that labelling someone a 'racist' because of a one-off racist comment isn't entirely fair, but I suspect those texts revealed the man's nature, not just a bit of banter.
Just because a racial slur has become somewhat normal to use, it does not make it ok. Far from it; it's that kind of racism that's the most damaging as it doesn't get called out in the manner of a blatant abusive phrase. The "we all call a Chinese a chinky" argument is a lazy and inaccurate defence to put up, and sadly, has revealed much about some of our own supporters.
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain a English degree before posting a comment on this site. Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
But Jimmy the language we use is often determined by who we are with.
As an example I used to work with a Nigerian girl who I got on really well with and we would take the piss out of each other and it would include racial stereotypes and slurs. This was fine cos we knew each other's boundaries and were comfortable with it and knew it was a joke rather than something we truly believed or would act on etc.
If outsiders over-heard is they would have probably reported us.
What I'm saying is that Malkay was talking privately with someone and they obv had their own boundaries of what was acceptable between the two of them.
I know lots of people who have made jokes about the Jews for example when amongst friends. I don't for one second think any of them would treat a Jew in a derogatory way cos I know them well enough.
Malkay was stupid but it doesn't mean he is definitely a racist just as I'm not because of my story above.
Couple of wins Malky and watch the fickleness fold from some of our supporters! Btw - how many of you guys/girls had a takeaway chinky last night!
Chinky? That term is racist even if it is used by a lot of people who say they don't mean any harm by it. People don't order in a pizza and declare they're having a 'wop', or buying patties and saying they're having a 'coon' or a 'n*gg*r'.
But Jimmy the language we use is often determined by who we are with.
As an example I used to work with a Nigerian girl who I got on really well with and we would take the piss out of each other and it would include racial stereotypes and slurs. This was fine cos we knew each other's boundaries and were comfortable with it and knew it was a joke rather than something we truly believed or would act on etc.
If outsiders over-heard is they would have probably reported us.
What I'm saying is that Malkay was talking privately with someone and they obv had their own boundaries of what was acceptable between the two of them.
I know lots of people who have made jokes about the Jews for example when amongst friends. I don't for one second think any of them would treat a Jew in a derogatory way cos I know them well enough.
Malkay was stupid but it doesn't mean he is definitely a racist just as I'm not because of my story above.
I don't think that was the case with Malky. I've said some ridiculous things ironcially too, it's the kind of humour that mocks those who use the language for real.
I suppose I can't prove it, but I don't think Malky was being ironic. I think we got a glimpse of what he's really like.
One of our players who started today is drinking in Chislehurst as we speak(fact as I have a pic). The player has confirmed Malkay is our new manager. So if true we have Luzon on the pitch with the new boss looking on, f****** disgraceful. Welcome to the circus Malkay
Luzon did exactly the same to Peeters. I'm happy with Mackay if it is him. Better than another foreign no mark.
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain *a English degree before posting a comment on this site. **Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you ***cant read beyond a cliche! ****proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
One of our players who started today is drinking in Chislehurst as we speak(fact as I have a pic). The player has confirmed Malkay is our new manager. So if true we have Luzon on the pitch with the new boss looking on, f****** disgraceful. Welcome to the circus Malkay
Luzon did exactly the same to Peeters. I'm happy with Mackay if it is him. Better than another foreign no mark.
Leaving aside his persistent racist texts I don't think Malkey is any good as a manager, he spent shed loads to take Cardiff up didn't he? If we appoint Malkey or Nigel Pearson or whichever British style manager, either the manager is promising to work under Roland's system or far more unlikely Roland is prepared to change his approach.
One of our players who started today is drinking in Chislehurst as we speak(fact as I have a pic). The player has confirmed Malkay is our new manager. So if true we have Luzon on the pitch with the new boss looking on, f****** disgraceful. Welcome to the circus Malkay
Luzon did exactly the same to Peeters. I'm happy with Mackay if it is him. Better than another foreign no mark.
Just think... If the Scottish referendum had gone the other way, Mackay would be "another foreign no mark"
One of our players who started today is drinking in Chislehurst as we speak(fact as I have a pic). The player has confirmed Malkay is our new manager. So if true we have Luzon on the pitch with the new boss looking on, f****** disgraceful. Welcome to the circus Malkay
Luzon did exactly the same to Peeters. I'm happy with Mackay if it is him. Better than another foreign no mark.
I'll have to learn how to spell his name right if we take MM on!
One of our players who started today is drinking in Chislehurst as we speak(fact as I have a pic). The player has confirmed Malkay is our new manager. So if true we have Luzon on the pitch with the new boss looking on, f****** disgraceful. Welcome to the circus Malkay
Luzon did exactly the same to Peeters. I'm happy with Mackay if it is him. Better than another foreign no mark.
You'd rather have a racist than "a foreigner"?
I'd rather have a manager with proven experience of the division we want promotion from. He did well at Watford and Cardiff, Wigan were doomed regardless.
One of our players who started today is drinking in Chislehurst as we speak(fact as I have a pic). The player has confirmed Malkay is our new manager. So if true we have Luzon on the pitch with the new boss looking on, f****** disgraceful. Welcome to the circus Malkay
Luzon did exactly the same to Peeters. I'm happy with Mackay if it is him. Better than another foreign no mark.
Just think... If the Scottish referendum had gone the other way, Mackay would be "another foreign no mark"
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain a English degree before posting a comment on this site. Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
As a manager I'm not sure about Malky, I think he was a good manager and did a good job at Watford with their limited resource then was the man to finally get Cardiff promoted after so many had failed with their talented squad. Plays a bit direct but seems to be able to organise a team together well. I think though that his incident would have probably lessened his command of a dressing room though which may be part of the reason for his struggle at Wigan and maybe players won't look at him the same or respect him at all.
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain a English degree before posting a comment on this site. Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
Still no actual response beyond clichés and socialist worker type class war..
clichés are all you have, you haven't produced one original piece of thinking.
I went to a south London comprehensive but then it clearly doesn't take much to be more "intellectual" than you.
Do you know what you user name means?
I'll give you a clue: it was written by one of those "intellectuals" you fear ie anyone smarter than you. And he was a foreigner.
And no its not 'e equals meaningless clichés times two.
But Jimmy the language we use is often determined by who we are with.
As an example I used to work with a Nigerian girl who I got on really well with and we would take the piss out of each other and it would include racial stereotypes and slurs. This was fine cos we knew each other's boundaries and were comfortable with it and knew it was a joke rather than something we truly believed or would act on etc.
If outsiders over-heard is they would have probably reported us.
What I'm saying is that Malkay was talking privately with someone and they obv had their own boundaries of what was acceptable between the two of them.
I know lots of people who have made jokes about the Jews for example when amongst friends. I don't for one second think any of them would treat a Jew in a derogatory way cos I know them well enough.
Malkay was stupid but it doesn't mean he is definitely a racist just as I'm not because of my story above.
I agree with the principle and the example, but the content of his texts was a bit more than playing with stereotypes. I think the comment on Phil Smith could be viewed that way, but 'not many white faces among that lot'?? Hmm...
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain a English degree before posting a comment on this site. Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
Still no actual response beyond clichés and socialist worker type class war..
clichés are all you have, you haven't produced one original piece of thinking.
I went to a south London comprehensive but then it clearly doesn't take much to be more "intellectual" than you.
Do you know what you user name means?
I'll give you a clue: it was written by one of those "intellectuals" you fear ie anyone smarter than you. And he was a foreigner.
And no its not 'e equals meaningless clichés times two.
: - )
Haha, Why not waste more time and energy on my little words! Another Cliche for you - Henry your cage has been rattled - Me I'm just an unintelligent simpleton and does not notice the difference by such sarcasm
E=mc2 -Energy is equal to Mass times the speed of light squared. In essence, it states that there is an equivalence between mass and energy. This simple statement has many profound implications... such as no object with mass can ever go faster than the speed of light.
Torquing, you must be an intellectual to know all that? Did you learn that at your private school along with all your old fashioned attitudes and clichés?
My cage is only rattling to how much I'm laughing at your class warrior "insults". If you need to prove how working class and unintelligent you are you have issues. Bye bye now Tarquin
Torquing, you must be an intellectual to know all that? Did you learn that at your private school along with all your old fablahshioned attitudes and clichés?
My cage is only rattling to how much I'm laughing at your class warrior "insults". If you need to prove how working class and unintelligent you are you have issues. Bye bye now Tarquin
They told me you love the sound of your own voice - blah blah blah. Keep it up Chumley Warner!
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain a English degree before posting a comment on this site. Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
Still no actual response beyond clichés and socialist worker type class war..
clichés are all you have, you haven't produced one original piece of thinking.
I went to a south London comprehensive but then it clearly doesn't take much to be more "intellectual" than you.
Do you know what you user name means?
I'll give you a clue: it was written by one of those "intellectuals" you fear ie anyone smarter than you. And he was a foreigner.
And no its not 'e equals meaningless clichés times two.
: - )
Haha, Why not waste more time and energy on my little words! Another Cliche for you - Henry your cage has been rattled - Me I'm just an unintelligent simpleton and does not notice the difference by such sarcasm
E=mc2 -Energy is equal to Mass times the speed of light squared. In essence, it states that there is an equivalence between mass and energy. This simple statement has many profound implications... such as no object with mass can ever go faster than the speed of light.
Shut up Henry - like your stamps - you bore me.
I've never come across you until today, I assume you're on a wind up, and it's not my fight but... what the hell are you talking about?
Yes i am for real, a lot of people do refer to the take away as a chinky.
I haven't said it is ok to do so, just comenting that with the mass outrage at the potential appointment of MM you would think that these things don't go on, they do and alot of people believe it to be acceptable.
And a lot don't use that language in public or private, don't find it acceptable and don't want it at Charlton.
Someone is on his preverbal bike, 'Again!
Ha ha, someone used the wrong cliché again.
lol - whatever you say Mr Henry the Intellectual! I would also advise to wash that head when you pull it out.
Look, another cliché used rather than any real argument. At least you got 50% cliché success.
0% in actually offering a response that wasn't a cliché or had any substance though. Again
Watch out you common type Charlton supporter. Speak against Henry and he will refer you to gain a English degree before posting a comment on this site. Hows the stamp collection going Henry?
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
Still no actual response beyond clichés and socialist worker type class war..
clichés are all you have, you haven't produced one original piece of thinking.
I went to a south London comprehensive but then it clearly doesn't take much to be more "intellectual" than you.
Do you know what you user name means?
I'll give you a clue: it was written by one of those "intellectuals" you fear ie anyone smarter than you. And he was a foreigner.
And no its not 'e equals meaningless clichés times two.
: - )
Haha, Why not waste more time and energy on my little words! Another Cliche for you - Henry your cage has been rattled - Me I'm just an unintelligent simpleton and does not notice the difference by such sarcasm
E=mc2 -Energy is equal to Mass times the speed of light squared. In essence, it states that there is an equivalence between mass and energy. This simple statement has many profound implications... such as no object with mass can ever go faster than the speed of light.
Shut up Henry - like your stamps - you bore me.
I've never come across you until today, I assume you're on a wind up, and it's not my fight but... what the hell are you talking about?
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The nature of his comments, to me, implies institutional racism (much like some of the posters on here don't seem to realise how dated and offensive
their 'harmless' language is). It implies that in public he knows what not to say, but in private is happy to refer to people he cares little about in the most derogatory terms possible.
I do agree that labelling someone a 'racist' because of a one-off racist comment isn't entirely fair, but I suspect those texts revealed the man's nature, not just a bit of banter.
Just because a racial slur has become somewhat normal to use, it does not make it ok. Far from it; it's that kind of racism that's the most damaging as it doesn't get called out in the manner of a blatant abusive phrase. The "we all call a Chinese a chinky" argument is a lazy and inaccurate defence to put up, and sadly, has revealed much about some of our own supporters.
So intellectual, you cant read beyond a cliche! proves intelligence is not all and only about education.
As an example I used to work with a Nigerian girl who I got on really well with and we would take the piss out of each other and it would include racial stereotypes and slurs. This was fine cos we knew each other's boundaries and were comfortable with it and knew it was a joke rather than something we truly believed or would act on etc.
If outsiders over-heard is they would have probably reported us.
What I'm saying is that Malkay was talking privately with someone and they obv had their own boundaries of what was acceptable between the two of them.
I know lots of people who have made jokes about the Jews for example when amongst friends. I don't for one second think any of them would treat a Jew in a derogatory way cos I know them well enough.
Malkay was stupid but it doesn't mean he is definitely a racist just as I'm not because of my story above.
That term is racist even if it is used by a lot of people who say they don't mean any harm by it.
People don't order in a pizza and declare they're having a 'wop', or buying patties and saying they're having a 'coon' or a 'n*gg*r'.
I suppose I can't prove it, but I don't think Malky was being ironic. I think we got a glimpse of what he's really like.
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If we appoint Malkey or Nigel Pearson or whichever British style manager, either the manager is promising to work under Roland's system or far more unlikely Roland is prepared to change his approach.
clichés are all you have, you haven't produced one original piece of thinking.
I went to a south London comprehensive but then it clearly doesn't take much to be more "intellectual" than you.
Do you know what you user name means?
I'll give you a clue: it was written by one of those "intellectuals" you fear ie anyone smarter than you. And he was a foreigner.
And no its not 'e equals meaningless clichés times two.
: - )
Another Cliche for you - Henry your cage has been rattled -
Me I'm just an unintelligent simpleton and does not notice the difference by such sarcasm
E=mc2 -Energy is equal to Mass times the speed of light squared. In essence, it states that there is an equivalence between mass and energy. This simple statement has many profound implications... such as no object with mass can ever go faster than the speed of light.
Shut up Henry - like your stamps - you bore me.
My cage is only rattling to how much I'm laughing at your class warrior "insults". If you need to prove how working class and unintelligent you are you have issues.
Bye bye now Tarquin
Keep it up Chumley Warner!