To whoever said I was taking the P*ss, well no I wasn't, Stuart Gray would be an excellent manager, he did excellent up here and I think he'd do really well with you lot.
He may well do OP but he'd be a million miles off RD's radar. Experienced English coach. That rules him out straight away
Listening to Collymore coming home. Included us in clubs that 'are rotten to the core'. He has it bang on. A manager needs to pick his own players. Needs to have players he wants. If he gets it wrong then, so be it. A new manager will not solve the problem. But he did have to go.
I make Collymore absolutely right also.
Well Collymore would certainly recognise rotten to the core when he sees it.
I am confused as to whether Luzon chose any of the players in the summer or not? Didn't some such as Bergdych come for the manager? Either way does it not mean we will now have to again clear out all the players the new manager does not get on with and then start again? Costing how much?
I wish this country didn't have this huge obsession over football managers. It's a huge problem in footballing culture. Fact is a manager has relatively little impact over how a club fairs. Most important thing when it comes down to it is money. Clubs who spend do well, those who don't struggle.
I'm willing to argue this with people but enough studies have been done and we all know enough anecdotal evidence to back it up. Clough wasn't some sort of managerial god but he was able to influence owners into spending money they didn't want to.
Unfortunately we aren't a rich club. We can all blame Roland for not spending enough but none of us really know how much he has or is willing to spend. As long as this goes on the managerial merry go round will continue regardless of who is appointed.
100% disagree. The manager is the most important asset a club has.
malkay mackay 11/8 paolo dicanio 8/1 nigel pearson 12/1 curbs 14/1 gus poyet 14/1 brian mcdermott 16/1 paul dickov 16/1 paul jewell 16/1 sean o'driscoll 16/1 ian holloway 20/1 lee clark 20/1 nigel clough 20/1 stuart pearce 20/1 jason euell 22/1 chris powell 25/1 gareth ainsworth 25/1 paul lambert 25/1 tim sherwood 25/1 uwe rossler 25/1 ivan vukomanovic 28/1 billy davies 33/1 dave jones 33/1 les ferdinard 33/1 paul ince 33/1 rob lee 33/1 derek mcinnes 40/1
malkay mackay 11/8 paolo dicanio 8/1 nigel pearson 12/1 curbs 14/1 gus poyet 14/1 brian mcdermott 16/1 paul dickov 16/1 paul jewell 16/1 sean o'driscoll 16/1 ian holloway 20/1 lee clark 20/1 nigel clough 20/1 stuart pearce 20/1 jason euell 22/1 chris powell 25/1 gareth ainsworth 25/1 paul lambert 25/1 tim sherwood 25/1 uwe rossler 25/1 ivan vukomanovic 28/1 billy davies 33/1 dave jones 33/1 les ferdinard 33/1 paul ince 33/1 rob lee 33/1 derek mcinnes 40/1
I wish this country didn't have this huge obsession over football managers. It's a huge problem in footballing culture. Fact is a manager has relatively little impact over how a club fairs. Most important thing when it comes down to it is money. Clubs who spend do well, those who don't struggle.
I'm willing to argue this with people but enough studies have been done and we all know enough anecdotal evidence to back it up. Clough wasn't some sort of managerial god but he was able to influence owners into spending money they didn't want to.
Unfortunately we aren't a rich club. We can all blame Roland for not spending enough but none of us really know how much he has or is willing to spend. As long as this goes on the managerial merry go round will continue regardless of who is appointed.
100% disagree. The manager is the most important asset a club has.
Why?
Good managers bring success because they get more out of of a squad than the sum of its parts. Curbishley is the obvious example. They don't always go on to do the same elsewhere. Fitting the club is also important. The really great managers seem to reproduce the trick everywhere they go. Get the manager right and you have a great chance of success.
I'd go for Paul Lambert on that Sky Bet list. He did a great job at Norwich. But I'd doubt if he would work in a club where he doesn't have the final say on players coming in.
I'm also glad Matthews has gone, he's been involved for far too long and is tarnished with failure. I hope they sack all the medical staff as well the injury prevention and recovery process has been a disaster for sometime now.
Wouldn't be surprised if certain players suddenly become a lot fitter now Luzon has gone.
No names, no Angolan pack drill.
Brother was saying the same at game. I think you may both be spot on there.
Today's new carnage has taken me back to March this year when I witnessed us win 3-0 at Blackpool in front of 9,500 fans.
Well thats what the public were told the attendance was. Total bull. No more than 3,500 as an estimate. Lies
We are the new Blackpool. Money to spend, but either not putting into the club or on what gets bums on seats. Ie: a decent championship experienced 25 man squad.
Our best eleven was out there today bar Diarra and Kashi. Nothing on that bench to assist bar young lads or crap loannes or the Reza's of this sad age.
M.Roly must have money to burn but sadly he's doing it to my beloved football club.
I wish this country didn't have this huge obsession over football managers. It's a huge problem in footballing culture. Fact is a manager has relatively little impact over how a club fairs. Most important thing when it comes down to it is money. Clubs who spend do well, those who don't struggle.
I'm willing to argue this with people but enough studies have been done and we all know enough anecdotal evidence to back it up. Clough wasn't some sort of managerial god but he was able to influence owners into spending money they didn't want to.
Unfortunately we aren't a rich club. We can all blame Roland for not spending enough but none of us really know how much he has or is willing to spend. As long as this goes on the managerial merry go round will continue regardless of who is appointed.
100% disagree. The manager is the most important asset a club has.
Why?
Good managers bring success because they get more out of of a squad than the sum of its parts. Curbishley is the obvious example. They don't always go on to do the same elsewhere. Fitting the club is also important. The really great managers seem to reproduce the trick everywhere they go. Get the manager right and you have a great chance of success.
I agree with you but it's far from the most important asset a club has. Is Pellegrini more important than Mansour, is Mourinho more important than Abramovich?
I agree that getting fit is important. As much as I disagree with the stock placed in a manager that isn't the general consensus of most fans. Get the wrong man and the fans are automatically harder to win over leading to lack of support, abuse being thrown and generally a toxic atmosphere when things go wrong. Same goes for the players.
My point is that unless money is spent then a club will struggle. It's a harsh fact of football but it's a true one wherever you look around the world. Of course clubs can sometimes have an abnormal season and finish higher (or lower) than they should but then is a very strong correlation between expenditure and where a club finishes. We are one of the lowest spenders in the league and that's just the way it is.
Yes, a manager has an impact, good or bad that is undeniable but it's nowhere near as important as money spent. Say we could get any manager in the world, would it make us into a promotion chasing team? I doubt it.
I wish this country didn't have this huge obsession over football managers. It's a huge problem in footballing culture. Fact is a manager has relatively little impact over how a club fairs. Most important thing when it comes down to it is money. Clubs who spend do well, those who don't struggle.
I'm willing to argue this with people but enough studies have been done and we all know enough anecdotal evidence to back it up. Clough wasn't some sort of managerial god but he was able to influence owners into spending money they didn't want to.
Unfortunately we aren't a rich club. We can all blame Roland for not spending enough but none of us really know how much he has or is willing to spend. As long as this goes on the managerial merry go round will continue regardless of who is appointed.
100% disagree. The manager is the most important asset a club has.
Why?
Good managers bring success because they get more out of of a squad than the sum of its parts. Curbishley is the obvious example. They don't always go on to do the same elsewhere. Fitting the club is also important. The really great managers seem to reproduce the trick everywhere they go. Get the manager right and you have a great chance of success.
I agree with you but it's far from the most important asset a club has. Is Pellegrini more important than Mansour, is Mourinho more important than Abramovich?
I agree that getting fit is important. As much as I disagree with the stock placed in a manager that isn't the general consensus of most fans. Get the wrong man and the fans are automatically harder to win over leading to lack of support, abuse being thrown and generally a toxic atmosphere when things go wrong. Same goes for the players.
My point is that unless money is spent then a club will struggle. It's a harsh fact of football but it's a true one wherever you look around the world. Of course clubs can sometimes have an abnormal season and finish higher (or lower) than they should but then is a very strong correlation between expenditure and where a club finishes. We are one of the lowest spenders in the league and that's just the way it is.
Yes, a manager has an impact, good or bad that is undeniable but it's nowhere near as important as money spent. Say we could get any manager in the world, would it make us into a promotion chasing team? I doubt it.
I think Alex Ferguson could get our current squad very close.
I wish this country didn't have this huge obsession over football managers. It's a huge problem in footballing culture. Fact is a manager has relatively little impact over how a club fairs. Most important thing when it comes down to it is money. Clubs who spend do well, those who don't struggle.
I'm willing to argue this with people but enough studies have been done and we all know enough anecdotal evidence to back it up. Clough wasn't some sort of managerial god but he was able to influence owners into spending money they didn't want to.
Unfortunately we aren't a rich club. We can all blame Roland for not spending enough but none of us really know how much he has or is willing to spend. As long as this goes on the managerial merry go round will continue regardless of who is appointed.
100% disagree. The manager is the most important asset a club has.
Why?
Good managers bring success because they get more out of of a squad than the sum of its parts. Curbishley is the obvious example. They don't always go on to do the same elsewhere. Fitting the club is also important. The really great managers seem to reproduce the trick everywhere they go. Get the manager right and you have a great chance of success.
I agree with you but it's far from the most important asset a club has. Is Pellegrini more important than Mansour, is Mourinho more important than Abramovich?
I agree that getting fit is important. As much as I disagree with the stock placed in a manager that isn't the general consensus of most fans. Get the wrong man and the fans are automatically harder to win over leading to lack of support, abuse being thrown and generally a toxic atmosphere when things go wrong. Same goes for the players.
My point is that unless money is spent then a club will struggle. It's a harsh fact of football but it's a true one wherever you look around the world. Of course clubs can sometimes have an abnormal season and finish higher (or lower) than they should but then is a very strong correlation between expenditure and where a club finishes. We are one of the lowest spenders in the league and that's just the way it is.
Yes, a manager has an impact, good or bad that is undeniable but it's nowhere near as important as money spent. Say we could get any manager in the world, would it make us into a promotion chasing team? I doubt it.
I think Alex Ferguson could get our current squad very close.
Even Fergie had money to spend in those early years.
Bloody delighted he has gone. Worst manager in the 35 odd years I have been going. Company yes man who was prepared to let RD sack him at Liege and then come back to work for him again.
He knew before accepting the job what he was getting himself into. His tactics were crap, the fitness of the players is not right. I have no idea how you suck the enthusiasm from Cousins and Solly but he managed to do it. Good riddance.
Shame for Matthews but I see nothing watching us to suggest anything going on at the training ground is working and as for the third bloke, this is the first time I have even heard of him!
Would love Curbs but won't happen. Would love Powell back, won't happen. Would love Lambert, won't happen. Would take O'Driscoll, won't happen. Would take Edinburgh, won't happen. Would take Jackson player manager, unlikely.
Will be Fraeye after some rubbish about interviews and KM will introduce him as the next Wenger.
Please, please, please RD give me an early Xmas present and send KM packing too.
So he fell out with Tan because Tan wouldn't spend enough money but now he's coming here?
Of course he's desperate to get back into the game and so will say whatever he needs to land the job.
Katrien will soon find out that he be far less easy to work with than even Powell.
And that's without even mentioning his racism and sexism.
No doubt there will be enough people saying "banter" "good cos it winds up the lefties" and "who cares if we win" but not for me.
Not that what any fan thinks counts for anything any more.
Roland, who supposedly fought in the student riots in 1968 and wants a football club to be a part of the community is going to employ this man?
Please tell me I'm wrong and no one would do something so stupid.
I am concerned about the rumours of him being there today and the bookies having him as favourite.
Ignoring the sexism and racism which would be more than enough for us to never have him near our club. His performance is hardly inspiring. He had a few years of massive budgets before he got Cardiff promoted. He then played out an undignified argument with the Chairman in public which is unprofessional and causes the club to be embarrassed. Cardiff were relegated and the squad was nowhere good enough to challenge the next season. Then he showed how good he is without a massive budget at Wigan.
Sure he has experience in our league but I'm with Henry, I don't want him anywhere near our club.
Bye bye Guy. We will always remember you for your leaping about and squatting down as well as your Ferguson- esque management style. You were our own Sir Alex and we didn't even know it!
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But, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what I think. It will just be another RD puppet.
malkay mackay 11/8
paolo dicanio 8/1
nigel pearson 12/1
curbs 14/1
gus poyet 14/1
brian mcdermott 16/1
paul dickov 16/1
paul jewell 16/1
sean o'driscoll 16/1
ian holloway 20/1
lee clark 20/1
nigel clough 20/1
stuart pearce 20/1
jason euell 22/1
chris powell 25/1
gareth ainsworth 25/1
paul lambert 25/1
tim sherwood 25/1
uwe rossler 25/1
ivan vukomanovic 28/1
billy davies 33/1
dave jones 33/1
les ferdinard 33/1
paul ince 33/1
rob lee 33/1
derek mcinnes 40/1
Of course he's desperate to get back into the game and so will say whatever he needs to land the job.
Katrien will soon find out that he be far less easy to work with than even Powell.
And that's without even mentioning his racism and sexism.
No doubt there will be enough people saying "banter" "good cos it winds up the lefties" and "who cares if we win" but not for me.
Not that what any fan thinks counts for anything any more.
Roland, who supposedly fought in the student riots in 1968 and wants a football club to be a part of the community is going to employ this man?
Please tell me I'm wrong and no one would do something so stupid.
Well thats what the public were told the attendance was. Total bull. No more than 3,500 as an estimate. Lies
We are the new Blackpool. Money to spend, but either not putting into the club or on what gets bums on seats. Ie: a decent championship experienced 25 man squad.
Our best eleven was out there today bar Diarra and Kashi. Nothing on that bench to assist bar young lads or crap loannes or the Reza's of this sad age.
M.Roly must have money to burn but sadly he's doing it to my beloved football club.
Hate is a mellow word at present.
I agree that getting fit is important. As much as I disagree with the stock placed in a manager that isn't the general consensus of most fans. Get the wrong man and the fans are automatically harder to win over leading to lack of support, abuse being thrown and generally a toxic atmosphere when things go wrong. Same goes for the players.
My point is that unless money is spent then a club will struggle. It's a harsh fact of football but it's a true one wherever you look around the world. Of course clubs can sometimes have an abnormal season and finish higher (or lower) than they should but then is a very strong correlation between expenditure and where a club finishes. We are one of the lowest spenders in the league and that's just the way it is.
Yes, a manager has an impact, good or bad that is undeniable but it's nowhere near as important as money spent. Say we could get any manager in the world, would it make us into a promotion chasing team? I doubt it.
He knew before accepting the job what he was getting himself into. His tactics were crap, the fitness of the players is not right. I have no idea how you suck the enthusiasm from Cousins and Solly but he managed to do it. Good riddance.
Shame for Matthews but I see nothing watching us to suggest anything going on at the training ground is working and as for the third bloke, this is the first time I have even heard of him!
Would love Curbs but won't happen. Would love Powell back, won't happen. Would love Lambert, won't happen. Would take O'Driscoll, won't happen. Would take Edinburgh, won't happen. Would take Jackson player manager, unlikely.
Will be Fraeye after some rubbish about interviews and KM will introduce him as the next Wenger.
Please, please, please RD give me an early Xmas present and send KM packing too.
Get him in now
Ignoring the sexism and racism which would be more than enough for us to never have him near our club. His performance is hardly inspiring. He had a few years of massive budgets before he got Cardiff promoted. He then played out an undignified argument with the Chairman in public which is unprofessional and causes the club to be embarrassed. Cardiff were relegated and the squad was nowhere good enough to challenge the next season. Then he showed how good he is without a massive budget at Wigan.
Sure he has experience in our league but I'm with Henry, I don't want him anywhere near our club.