9 years in the same job. Why wouldn't he wouldn't he want to move on. Makes sense for all concerned. We will see who was on his radar once we see the January fulham signings.
Katrien Meire has taken over the role as chief scout in addition to her other duties at the club after she finished interviewing 20 other candidates, as well as herself, in a long and thorough process it was eventually decided that she was best suited for the position and we hope she can be Charlton Athletics very own Graham Carr .....
A player and a person I've always liked and will be sad to see him leave.Im sure you could go through so many players he may of or may not of helped bring to the club and there will be good and bad amongst them all and I'd guess that goes with many many scouts around the world as no doubt it's all part and parcel of the job.
At branch meetings you always learn more from Ex players/retired or Ex employers than current players and coaching staff. They have to be a bit diplomatic or else they would be the next out the door. Richard Murray when he was the main man could say what he wanted ?
No doubt Curbs is behind his move to Fulham, and I think Curbs may have an idea who makes a good scout and knows what they are doing.
"No doubt" is a bit strong. Curbs obviously has recent connections to Fulham, but he's not there now and I am not sure what he would know about Phil Chapple as a scout.
No doubt Curbs is behind his move to Fulham, and I think Curbs may have an idea who makes a good scout and knows what they are doing.
"No doubt" is a bit strong. Curbs obviously has recent connections to Fulham, but he's not there now and I am not sure what he would know about Phil Chapple as a scout.
Sorry Airman, but I thought I read at the beginning of the season that Curbs had agreed to stay on at Fulham, obviously just a rumour
No doubt Curbs is behind his move to Fulham, and I think Curbs may have an idea who makes a good scout and knows what they are doing.
"No doubt" is a bit strong. Curbs obviously has recent connections to Fulham, but he's not there now and I am not sure what he would know about Phil Chapple as a scout.
Sorry Airman, but I thought I read at the beginning of the season that Curbs had agreed to stay on at Fulham, obviously just a rumour
When I spoke to Curbs in July he was about to decide whether to go back. He was openly in two minds about it. I haven't seen anything since so I assume he didn't, but I could be wrong.
Unfortunately his knowledge is all lower league. We had no money so he made himself an expert on lower league and rough diamonds. He isn't going to have that encyclopedic knowledge of ~European football as it is just not possible.
No doubt Curbs is behind his move to Fulham, and I think Curbs may have an idea who makes a good scout and knows what they are doing.
I would suspect not. Fulham put in a Chief Football Officer at the start of the year who is an extremely experienced guy (Mike Rigg). Followed Mark Hughes about and has been chief scout / head of player recruitment, technical director at Blackburn, Man City, QPR amongst others. Been at the FA last couple of years working on talent identification.
I would suspect he has an impeccable contact base. I've heard a lot of good things about the structure at Fulham off the pitch in the last year, despite their poor season last year. Keep getting indications they seem to be maturing into the kind of club off the pitch that we used to be.
It must be frustrating being Chief Scout when most of the signings seem to have come from other sources. If nothing else I'm sure he gets his main job satisfaction from finding a bargain from somewhere who becomes a first team regular
Another long term staff member leaving but I suspect that he has found it difficult to be a chief scout in recent years.
We all know how it will play out if he does go.
His departure is barely acknowledged, if it is at all, by the club.
His contribution will be rubbished on here.
It will be pointed out on here that there are lots of scouts so what's the big deal? Scouts are 10 a penny.
Anyone daring to be concerned will be derided.
Chapple does an interview for the SLPVOTV in a few months expressing his reasons for leaving which will be dismissed as "sour grapes from a bitter ex-employee"
Couple of points to things that i don't think have been mentioned.
Does anyone know if Chapple's role was one purely forcused on player recruitment? That is all anyone ever mentions, yet a huge part of scouting is future opposition preperation. No idea whether that falls under his remit or not.
Secondly, (and i'm sure @Tutt-Tutt will correct me if wrong), i'm pretty sure that when you lose a chief scout, if that person is moving to another club you invariably lose virtually your whole scouting network; his contacts at other clubs and in the game that he has built up, regional scouts who report up etc. It can take a hell of a long time to build up a solid network with the right coverage and know who in the game to trust or avoid, and it can be something that can be very quickly be lost.
Seeing 'names' of players that will come round on the PFA circulars will only help you make a judgement based on what you think your know of their ability. You really need to have a solid contact base in the game to get a true understanding of things like their character, whether they will fit into your dressing room, manageable hidden injuries they may be carrying, ability to step up if a youngster looking for experience etc.
Very much an underated role imo
Yes, I moved from QPR to Luton Town after David Pleat had left to join Tottenham and had taken all of his scouts with him. most scouts are connected to a manager or a Chief Scout. The Academy scouts tend to be more permanent.
In my experience, the Chief Scout organises the scouting network and is responsible for opposition assessments and monitoring players. The list of player targets comes from the manager, the Chief Scout will then organise his scouts to monitor the player list, with the extra remit of adding players to the list that he or his scouts recommend.
When a player is identified, the Chief Scout, his scouts, the coaching staff, the assistant manager and the manager will all look at the player, covering both home and away matches. The manager always has the final say.
A couple of examples - I was at Luton when Iain Dowie was identified. He was watched around 8 times by different members of staff, before the manager watched him and put in a bid of £20,000, which was good enough for Hendon.
I was sent along to Barking v Yeovil in the Isthmian League, to watch the Yeovil GK called Dave Walter. I put in a report on Alan Pardew. The Chief Scout would then send another scout for a second opinion, and the process starts. The Chief Scout would be 3rd or 4th in line to watch him and if he is positive about him would add him to the list for the coaching staff to watch and finally the manager.
I also put in a report for Mark Kinsella who played as sweeper in a FA Cup match for Colchester v Exeter City. The initial target was Steve McGavin the CF, who ended up at Birmingham. That one was stopped dead in its tracks, as Daglish had seen him in a trial match at Liverpool while he was at Home Farm. There's an example of a manager having the final say.
How it works these days, I don't know. There seems to be transfers made without the knowledge of the manager at a lot of clubs. The weakness at Charlton is clear. Players brought in from the continent are not being assessed as suitable for the Championship. A lot of players we have brought in are struggling with the physical demands of 46 games, three games a week and the pace of the game. The old process of watching a player 5 , 6, 7 times seems to have been superseded by internet scouting.
If Phil Chapple has been at a club for 8 years, he must be doing a good job. He will have a network of scouts across the country, stacks of team assessments and player reports and a huge knowledge. His next club will benefit from that.
Like with most roles that occur at the Training Ground we as supporters can never be entirely sure how good or bad the people are in their particular roles, but the fact another long term member of staff had walked shows that not everything is as great at our club as some deluded folks think it is.
As the window has now closed, Roly obviously feels he can dispense with a Scout. Katrien's already told us the wage bill has to be trimmed, so I am sure we can look for a Scout in the Summer when look to replace those who have left for next year's slog. Fulham obviously think Big Phil has something to offer and they have money to spend. I can see them beating us on Sunday too on the back of this. Belgian Groundhog Day.
Another long term staff member leaving but I suspect that he has found it difficult to be a chief scout in recent years.
We all know how it will play out if he does go.
His departure is barely acknowledged, if it is at all, by the club.
His contribution will be rubbished on here.
It will be pointed out on here that there are lots of scouts so what's the big deal? Scouts are 10 a penny.
Anyone daring to be concerned will be derided.
Chapple does an interview for the SLP in a few months expressing his reasons for leaving which will be dismissed as "sour grapes from a bitter ex-employee"
Or Chapple will do an interview for SLP and have nothing but good things to say about Charlton as a club and mention it was just the right time to move on and he's glad to be back with his old mate Alan.
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Richard Murray when he was the main man could say what he wanted ?
Well he wasn't going to sack himself.
Roland's new chief scout.
Maybe Tucudean could take the job until January, got to find him something to do.
He will be a loss
Good luck Phil
I would suspect he has an impeccable contact base. I've heard a lot of good things about the structure at Fulham off the pitch in the last year, despite their poor season last year. Keep getting indications they seem to be maturing into the kind of club off the pitch that we used to be.
Fulham's parachute money means they can pay top dollar to acquire talent. Ben Kensell allegedly doubled his salary when Norwich came for him.
In my experience, the Chief Scout organises the scouting network and is responsible for opposition assessments and monitoring players. The list of player targets comes from the manager, the Chief Scout will then organise his scouts to monitor the player list, with the extra remit of adding players to the list that he or his scouts recommend.
When a player is identified, the Chief Scout, his scouts, the coaching staff, the assistant manager and the manager will all look at the player, covering both home and away matches. The manager always has the final say.
A couple of examples - I was at Luton when Iain Dowie was identified. He was watched around 8 times by different members of staff, before the manager watched him and put in a bid of £20,000, which was good enough for Hendon.
I was sent along to Barking v Yeovil in the Isthmian League, to watch the Yeovil GK called Dave Walter. I put in a report on Alan Pardew. The Chief Scout would then send another scout for a second opinion, and the process starts. The Chief Scout would be 3rd or 4th in line to watch him and if he is positive about him would add him to the list for the coaching staff to watch and finally the manager.
I also put in a report for Mark Kinsella who played as sweeper in a FA Cup match for Colchester v Exeter City. The initial target was Steve McGavin the CF, who ended up at Birmingham. That one was stopped dead in its tracks, as Daglish had seen him in a trial match at Liverpool while he was at Home Farm. There's an example of a manager having the final say.
How it works these days, I don't know. There seems to be transfers made without the knowledge of the manager at a lot of clubs. The weakness at Charlton is clear. Players brought in from the continent are not being assessed as suitable for the Championship. A lot of players we have brought in are struggling with the physical demands of 46 games, three games a week and the pace of the game. The old process of watching a player 5 , 6, 7 times seems to have been superseded by internet scouting.
If Phil Chapple has been at a club for 8 years, he must be doing a good job. He will have a network of scouts across the country, stacks of team assessments and player reports and a huge knowledge. His next club will benefit from that.