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  • edited March 2015
    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
  • Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
  • Fiiish said:

    Addickted said:

    Have you not completed your tax return again Fiiish.

    My Bulgarian butler's currently shredding my off-shore account statements as I type.
    Fixed that for you!
  • Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.

    My advice to any business wanting to sell to the French in these circumstances would be to move all manufacturing, admin, sales and HR staff to France. And to recruit French speakers. I'm not sure that's in this country's best interest, however.

    You've got to hand it to Ukip. Their policy of removing the UK from the EU is certainly going to increase one area of British exports. Jobs.
  • edited March 2015
    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.
    The VAT is paid already.

    Do you seriously believe the French would do this to British imports, when we would do exactly the same for theirs coming to the UK? The UK consumers purchased over 253,000 French cars last year. How many do you think they'd sell with 48.5% duty on them?
  • Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.
    The VAT is paid already.

    The UK consumers purchased over 253,000 French cars last year.
    Does anyone know why? They're all rather horrible aren't they? Has there ever been a decent French car?
  • cafcfan said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.
    The VAT is paid already.

    The UK consumers purchased over 253,000 French cars last year.
    Does anyone know why? They're all rather horrible aren't they? Has there ever been a decent French car?
    Citroen DS

  • UKIP 2 seats? Interesting. So that means at least one out of Reckless, Carswell Farage will lose. That would be a body-blow for them.
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  • Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.
    The VAT is paid already.

    Do you seriously believe the French would do this to British imports, when we would do exactly the same for theirs coming to the UK? The UK consumers purchased over 253,000 French cars last year. How many do you think they'd sell with 48.5% duty on them?
    I don't know if they would. Not do I know if any of the other EU countries would. And neither does Nigel Farage.

    Every time Farage claims he's working for British interests, we should remember that all other countries in the EU will have zero incentive to do anything in Britain's interest. We go straight from being a partner to every EU member to being their fiercest competition.

    You're right: France - and every other EU nation - might not put tariffs on British goods. But they might. Is that a risk worth taking?

    Fortunately, the two people who could be Prime Minister passionately believe we should stay in. Farage - who isn't an MP now - wants us out. And thankfully, he is very, very marginalised.
  • Addickted said:

    cafcfan said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.
    The VAT is paid already.

    The UK consumers purchased over 253,000 French cars last year.
    Does anyone know why? They're all rather horrible aren't they? Has there ever been a decent French car?
    Citroen DS

    True, on reflection the Peugeot 204 cab was a tidy little car too.
  • We import far, far more from the rest of the EU than we export to it. Do you actually believe that the EU would be childish and spiteful enough to self destruct it's economy just to get back at Britain for leaving? They need us as an export market whether we are in or out.

    Anyway, since when can each nation set it's own tarriffs on imports? Surely the tarriffs are set by the EU Commission to make everything the same which is the objective of their disastrous one-size fits all approach to the whole EU project. The same one-size fits all approach which has destroyed the EU economies in the eurozone countries especially.
  • E-cafc said:

    Anyway, since when can each nation set it's own tarriffs on imports?

    You mean, like they do now?
  • So the EU has 28 different sets of import and export tariffs? That goes against the grain of what the EU is supposed to be about. Integration, union and harmonisation and free trade.

    http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm

    https://www.gov.uk/classification-of-goods

    It seems that there are a set of uniformed codes that are in operation throughout the EU. I am not trying to be clever, am just interested as to whether it is all harmonised or not. If not, why not?
  • E-cafc said:

    So the EU has 28 different sets of import and export tariffs? That goes against the grain of what the EU is supposed to be about. Integration, union and harmonisation and free trade.

    http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm

    https://www.gov.uk/classification-of-goods

    It seems that there are a set of uniformed codes that are in operation throughout the EU. I am not trying to be clever, am just interested as to whether it is all harmonised or not. If not, why not?

    It seems to me that if you're in the EU, you abide by the rules and benefit from them. So, for example France can't set up onerous trade tariffs with, say Portugal.

    But, when they're dealing with countries outside the EU, they can do more as they please. So, for example, France can set up ridiculous tariffs with, say, China (as they have done on bicycles).

    This means that, if the UK left the EU, we would lose the benefit of this "protection". So we'd face whatever challenges any individual country would want to throw at us.

    The question is this - even if we were convinced that none of the EU countries would want to come up with tariffs that harm UK trade, would we want to take that risk?

    A lot of people believe we're much better off being an important, influential member of a big club; than someone who, was a member of the club for several years and now is now enviously looking in. I'd rather be a Man United than a Wigan Athletic.
  • edited March 2015

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    I am telling you what a friend told me - he was a salesman in the 60s and 70s and he told me what the situation was at that time - he gave me the 26% figure. I admit that he is now in his 70s and his memory may be deserting him, but I wouldn't bet on it. I don't much appreciate being called a liar.
  • Fiiish said:

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    Here's one reason why I think Farage is a dick.

    Tony Mowbray as king of the hunt ? .. now I've seen it all ((:>)
    All very "funny" but what exactly is wrong with this photo?

    Let me explain - fox hunting is disgusting and anyone prepared to shake the hand of a participant of said disgusting act whilst laughing like a gormless goon, in my opinion, is a dick.

    Not that difficult to figure out.
    Pretty sure we could find an even worse photo of a politician you like shaking hands with someone, depending on who you're voting for (I'm guessing Labour).

    Guessed wrong fella.
    You're a stone wall Green pal?
  • Chizz said:

    E-cafc said:

    So the EU has 28 different sets of import and export tariffs? That goes against the grain of what the EU is supposed to be about. Integration, union and harmonisation and free trade.

    http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm

    https://www.gov.uk/classification-of-goods

    It seems that there are a set of uniformed codes that are in operation throughout the EU. I am not trying to be clever, am just interested as to whether it is all harmonised or not. If not, why not?

    I'd rather be a Man United than a Wigan Athletic.
    For God's sake, I've just had my breakfast!
  • edited March 2015
    In the debate about racist behaviour on here, I believe somebody said they wouldn't want their politicians to be on the fiddle. Interesting to see where this stuff about Janice 'ting-tong' Atkinson leads.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-31982168

    Of course a lot of politicians of all persuasions are at it. Each one is corrupt.
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  • cafcfan said:

    Addickted said:

    cafcfan said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Saga Lout said:

    Anyway, so UKIP want to get out of Europe. One of my old (very old) friends is a retired international businessman/salesman. When he started out it was his job to sell British canned peas to France - he remembers that France charged 26% import duty which made his job almost impossible. People who fondly imagine that we will have all the benefits of a free trade area without the cost of EU membership if we pull out could be in for a shock.

    More Pro-EU lies.

    The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU.

    Besides, if your reckoning was true (it's not, it's rubbish), the figure would be absolutely nowhere near 26%. The UK, for example, only charges a customs duty of 1.76% on non-EU imports.
    Duty Rates
    The duty rates applied to imports into France typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional duty of 48.5%.

    VAT Rates
    The standard VAT rate for importing items into France is 20%, with certain products attracting VAT at a reduced rate of 10%, and some at a super reduced rate of 5.5% or 2.1%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
    In short, good luck to any British business hoping to sell goods to the French if the UK leaves the EU. 48.5% duty and 20% VAT would make it pretty tricky to export.
    The VAT is paid already.

    The UK consumers purchased over 253,000 French cars last year.
    Does anyone know why? They're all rather horrible aren't they? Has there ever been a decent French car?
    Citroen DS

    True, on reflection the Peugeot 204 cab was a tidy little car too.
    You mean the 205 ;-)
  • She overcharges for expenses so they can repat the money from the EU to UKIP. Similar to all the fiddles councils and MPs have in place up and down the country that generously over-claim to fund trade union activities.
  • Fiiish said:

    She overcharges for expenses so they can repat the money from the EU to UKIP. Similar to all the fiddles councils and MPs have in place up and down the country that generously over-claim to fund trade union activities.

    Or give juicy public contracts to mates in big business.
  • Not been a good week for Nigel has it?

    Wrote off as just a "joke" that Scottish UKIP MEP bloke referring to a SNP minister, who happens to be of asian heritage, as Abu Hamsa...

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2997195/It-joke-Farage-defends-Ukip-MEP-called-Muslim-Scottish-minister-Abu-Hamza.html

    ...then Janice "Ting Tong" Atkinson's staff getting caught commiting alleged fraud offences...and now another UKIP candidate has just been suspended by the party...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-31986981

    All just a media conspiracy of course ;-)
  • edited March 2015
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  • It might not be a conspiracy but in the same week the Shadow Work&Pensions Minister said she isn't interested in standing up for the jobless, another Labour MP is under investigation for using Parliamentary expenses for election material and an SNP official has been suspended for homophobic abuse of the Scottish Tory leader. None of these seem to have made it onto the BBC's website or at least with no prominence whatsoever, yet the parties involved are the Opposition in Westminster or the Scottish Government, surely they should be held to the same or higher degree of scrutiny than some clueless MEPs?
  • Not been a good week for Nigel has it?

    Wrote off as just a "joke" that Scottish UKIP MEP bloke referring to a SNP minister, who happens to be of asian heritage, as Abu Hamsa...

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2997195/It-joke-Farage-defends-Ukip-MEP-called-Muslim-Scottish-minister-Abu-Hamza.html

    ...then Janice "Ting Tong" Atkinson's staff getting caught commiting alleged fraud offences...and now another UKIP candidate has just been suspended by the party...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-31986981

    All just a media conspiracy of course ;-)

    As Oscar quite rightly observed................"There is only one thing worse than being talked about"
  • Fiiish said:

    It might not be a conspiracy but in the same week the Shadow Work&Pensions Minister said she isn't interested in standing up for the jobless, another Labour MP is under investigation for using Parliamentary expenses for election material and an SNP official has been suspended for homophobic abuse of the Scottish Tory leader. None of these seem to have made it onto the BBC's website or at least with no prominence whatsoever, yet the parties involved are the Opposition in Westminster or the Scottish Government, surely they should be held to the same or higher degree of scrutiny than some clueless MEPs?

    Yes it should be, but the media enjoy stereotyping parties, and the members of parties, to fit their rhetoric and tell their story. A Tory with a house for his ducks, or saying something derogatory about the poor will be front page news. Someone from Labour making a gaff over the economy or bumbling their figures is always a favourite of the tabloids. Unfortunately UKIP set their stall out with what is perceived as an anti-EU and anti-immigration stance, and if you do that people are going to pick up on every single little thing that could deem the party xenophobic or racist.

    As for a Liberal Democrat, well it seems they're just best off keeping their mouths shut.
  • edited March 2015
    Fiiish said:

    It might not be a conspiracy but in the same week the Shadow Work&Pensions Minister said she isn't interested in standing up for the jobless, another Labour MP is under investigation for using Parliamentary expenses for election material and an SNP official has been suspended for homophobic abuse of the Scottish Tory leader. None of these seem to have made it onto the BBC's website or at least with no prominence whatsoever, yet the parties involved are the Opposition in Westminster or the Scottish Government, surely they should be held to the same or higher degree of scrutiny than some clueless MEPs?

    Or even the chairman of the Conservative Party.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp
  • edited March 2015
    seth plum said:

    Fiiish said:

    It might not be a conspiracy but in the same week the Shadow Work&Pensions Minister said she isn't interested in standing up for the jobless, another Labour MP is under investigation for using Parliamentary expenses for election material and an SNP official has been suspended for homophobic abuse of the Scottish Tory leader. None of these seem to have made it onto the BBC's website or at least with no prominence whatsoever, yet the parties involved are the Opposition in Westminster or the Scottish Government, surely they should be held to the same or higher degree of scrutiny than some clueless MEPs?

    Or even the chairman of the Conservative Party.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp
    You do realise that it isn't illegal or immoral for MPs to have a second job? Or to deny that you are behind a pen name, as long as the pen name is not being used for legally or morally dubious activities? Kind of defeats the point of having a pen name if you admit to being the same person.
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