Sport of Kings discussion thread
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If you have the time to study the form and find an angle that’s not used by many others you can certainly make a profit0
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A little each way interest in Laxmi Windsor 6.45 tonight wouldn’t be a bad bet as he has been working well at home and Meehan not bad record with his 2 year olds1
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Oh, @Addick Addict - Bexley 6th XI's bonus points are definitely wrong. They only lost by 11 runs, yet are down having only three bonus points. Should be (I think) eight plus bowling bonus points, so 11 points total.0
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Thanks Paddy for that - will let the captain know.PaddyP17 said:Oh, @Addick Addict - Bexley 6th XI's bonus points are definitely wrong. They only lost by 11 runs, yet are down having only three bonus points. Should be (I think) eight plus bowling bonus points, so 11 points total.
Think those on here for your knowledge of horse racing might be left a little confused though ;-)1 -
Too right - I've been searching for details of Bexley 6th trying to find out what the racing plans are.Addick Addict said:
Thanks Paddy for that - will let the captain know.PaddyP17 said:Oh, @Addick Addict - Bexley 6th XI's bonus points are definitely wrong. They only lost by 11 runs, yet are down having only three bonus points. Should be (I think) eight plus bowling bonus points, so 11 points total.
Think those on here for your knowledge of horse racing might be left a little confused though ;-)4 -
Most of their runs are over 1/10 furlong.bobmunro said:
Too right - I've been searching for details of Bexley 6th trying to find out what the racing plans are.Addick Addict said:
Thanks Paddy for that - will let the captain know.PaddyP17 said:Oh, @Addick Addict - Bexley 6th XI's bonus points are definitely wrong. They only lost by 11 runs, yet are down having only three bonus points. Should be (I think) eight plus bowling bonus points, so 11 points total.
Think those on here for your knowledge of horse racing might be left a little confused though ;-)1 -
Nice one mate, good third that I think.killer kish said:A little each way interest in Laxmi Windsor 6.45 tonight wouldn’t be a bad bet as he has been working well at home and Meehan not bad record with his 2 year olds
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I manage to keep my head in front. Most of us who have been in the game for a long time have graduated to concentrating on specialised methods i.e. concentrating on certain races such as 2 year old races etc. I now concentrate on Group and Stakes races where the money is and where the trainers are going for the big prize money . I do not look at valuable handicaps as generally too competitive.Covered End said:
PaddyP17, as a man who appears to spend some considerable time studying the horses.PaddyP17 said:Having had a cursory glance at the cards today, I'm really intrigued by the 7.45 at Windsor. D'BAI (13/2) is only going over 6f for the second time (looked alright when doing it at Meydan but might not have run the right race for himself), having previously been a winner over 7f/1m. Always runs well - very smart - and I'd be very tempted by a small each-way flutter, with The Tin Man quite easily opposable at evens.
I'd be interested to know if you win overall on the horses ?
I ask because I've often wondered, if I studied it all (a bit like Peanuts and the Grand National), whether I could make a profit. I reckon I'd struggle.
(Please feel free to tell me to mind my own business
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Hope this helps . By the way I watch all races every day apart from home matchdays when I watch the recordings .2 -
Three out of three for Ryan Moore at Windsor...0
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A man in form. Pleased with that, some spare change went onto a Moore L15...Callumcafc said:Three out of three for Ryan Moore at Windsor...
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Likewise, and always have.Starinnaddick said:
I manage to keep my head in front. Most of us who have been in the game for a long time have graduated to concentrating on specialised methods i.e. concentrating on certain races such as 2 year old races etc. I now concentrate on Group and Stakes races where the money is and where the trainers are going for the big prize money . I do not look at valuable handicaps as generally too competitive.Covered End said:
PaddyP17, as a man who appears to spend some considerable time studying the horses.PaddyP17 said:Having had a cursory glance at the cards today, I'm really intrigued by the 7.45 at Windsor. D'BAI (13/2) is only going over 6f for the second time (looked alright when doing it at Meydan but might not have run the right race for himself), having previously been a winner over 7f/1m. Always runs well - very smart - and I'd be very tempted by a small each-way flutter, with The Tin Man quite easily opposable at evens.
I'd be interested to know if you win overall on the horses ?
I ask because I've often wondered, if I studied it all (a bit like Peanuts and the Grand National), whether I could make a profit. I reckon I'd struggle.
(Please feel free to tell me to mind my own business ).
Hope this helps . By the way I watch all races every day apart from home matchdays when I watch the recordings .
If they are carrying different weights (apart from age or sex allowances) I leave well alone - apart from a few exceptions where even then I'll just have a little flutter.
I normally show a profit over the course of a season - especially the flat.
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Counter-intuitive as it may sound, the big field handicaps are "mathematically" the best races to bet on. You dont need to know anything about horse racing, just keep backing a few each way at best prices you can get at best each way terms and you will make money long term. Once you start building your own knowledge you can really get an edge in those races.1
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Eh, each way money is each way money, even at relatively skinny odds.PaddyP17 said:Having had a cursory glance at the cards today, I'm really intrigued by the 7.45 at Windsor. D'BAI (13/2) is only going over 6f for the second time (looked alright when doing it at Meydan but might not have run the right race for himself), having previously been a winner over 7f/1m. Always runs well - very smart - and I'd be very tempted by a small each-way flutter, with The Tin Man quite easily opposable at evens.
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I thought Laxim ran a good race Paddy too and one to keep an eye on.
Just a little addition to what others have added about betting on the horses.
I watch every race every day apart from the all weather and go racing a lot too and make notes on various things I see. Fixed odds betting I concentrate on trainers and I buy or sell favourites on the spreads (I have a tipping line for these bets) I’ve made gambling my sole income for past five years now and also bet on the American golf too1 -
Nice little each way double on those two Paddy.........the bets the bookies hate1
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Tend to stick to the better class races and leave the 0-65 handicaps well alone.0
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Each-way filth! ;-)killer kish said:Nice little each way double on those two Paddy.........the bets the bookies hate
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I remember when it was 1/4 odds 8 + runners and 1/3 16+bobmunro said:
Each-way filth! ;-)killer kish said:Nice little each way double on those two Paddy.........the bets the bookies hate
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How old are you?Starinnaddick said:
I remember when it was 1/4 odds 8 + runners and 1/3 16+bobmunro said:
Each-way filth! ;-)killer kish said:Nice little each way double on those two Paddy.........the bets the bookies hate
When I first came into the industry it was:
5 runners or less All Up
6-7 runners 1/4 first 2
8+ runners non-handicap 1/5 first 3
8-11 runners handicap 1/5 first 3
12-15 runners handicap 1/4 first 3
16-21 runners handicap 1/5 first 4
22+ runners handicap 1/4 first 4
That was 37 years ago!
At the fractions you mention, unless the win book was massively over round the place book would be overbroke every time.
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I've been betting for over 60 years.0
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Before it was legal off-course and when the win book was 150%!Starinnaddick said:I've been betting for over 60 years.
At current percentages bookmakers would be bust very quickly if they offered those fractions.
@PolzeathNick would think all his birthdays and Christmasses had come at once!
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So betting shops had been open around 20 years when you got into it.bobmunro said:
How old are you?Starinnaddick said:
I remember when it was 1/4 odds 8 + runners and 1/3 16+bobmunro said:
Each-way filth! ;-)killer kish said:Nice little each way double on those two Paddy.........the bets the bookies hate
When I first came into the industry it was:
5 runners or less All Up
6-7 runners 1/4 first 2
8+ runners non-handicap 1/5 first 3
8-11 runners handicap 1/5 first 3
12-15 runners handicap 1/4 first 3
16-21 runners handicap 1/5 first 4
22+ runners handicap 1/4 first 4
That was 37 years ago!
At the fractions you mention, unless the win book was massively over round the place book would be overbroke every time.0 -
Yes - I first joined Ladbrokes in 1981.Starinnaddick said:
So betting shops had been open around 20 years when you got into it.bobmunro said:
How old are you?Starinnaddick said:
I remember when it was 1/4 odds 8 + runners and 1/3 16+bobmunro said:
Each-way filth! ;-)killer kish said:Nice little each way double on those two Paddy.........the bets the bookies hate
When I first came into the industry it was:
5 runners or less All Up
6-7 runners 1/4 first 2
8+ runners non-handicap 1/5 first 3
8-11 runners handicap 1/5 first 3
12-15 runners handicap 1/4 first 3
16-21 runners handicap 1/5 first 4
22+ runners handicap 1/4 first 4
That was 37 years ago!
At the fractions you mention, unless the win book was massively over round the place book would be overbroke every time.
I’d been a punter for the thick end of 10 years at that point.
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I was sending postal bets to Copes and McLachlans before betting shops opened.
I think Moores which was originally a credit bookmaker was the first to have a shop in Woolwich in New Road .0 -
I did my initial training in Ladbrokes, New Road - quite possibly the old Moore’s shop!Starinnaddick said:I was sending postal bets to Copes and McLachlans before betting shops opened.
I think Moores which was originally a credit bookmaker was the first to have a shop in Woolwich in New Road .
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Legends of War 6/1 for Coventry at Royal Ascot . Gosden saying they will wait and see how he comes out of today's race . Very impressive run .0
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Going to Epsom tomorrow. My first proper race day! (I don't count the works outing all weather midweek meets at Kempton, one of which I'm going to next week...)
What's the train service/shuttle bus combo like, and when is best to arrive? Any etiquette tips/sneaky things I should know, and the like?
Also... any tips? If I owned one, I think I'd put the house on Cracksman, but that's about it - though the Buick/Appleby combos look very good in general, and I'll be noting AP O'Brien with interest.
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If you're getting the train then Tattenham corner is the closest station, less than a 10 minute walk away.PaddyP17 said:Going to Epsom tomorrow. My first proper race day! (I don't count the works outing all weather midweek meets at Kempton, one of which I'm going to next week...)
What's the train service/shuttle bus combo like, and when is best to arrive? Any etiquette tips/sneaky things I should know, and the like?
Also... any tips? If I owned one, I think I'd put the house on Cracksman, but that's about it - though the Buick/Appleby combos look very good in general, and I'll be noting AP O'Brien with interest.
Cheers!0
