Bradley has gone, I know let's find another player and get half the North Upper to rip into him at every possible opportunity. Or we could try getting behind the whole squad.
Bradley has gone, I know let's find another player and get half the North Upper to rip into him at every possible opportunity. Or we could try getting behind the whole squad.
I think there's a huge difference between giving your own players pelters on the pitch, as to giving an opinion of them on a forum. When sponge is on the pitch wearing a charlton shirt, I'll give him 100% support. However, Ask my opinion in here and I'll tell you I think he's shit....................
If "running the channels is old hat" then if the ball gets cleared long we should just sit back and let the opposition attack us...
You attack as a Team so you defend as a team...
Church running the channels forces the Defenders into rushing their pass and so either hit it long back our defenders or slice it out for a throw-in, its not a defenders or midfielders job to do that as they've gotta keep their shape so the opposition dont find spaces inbetween the two lines
You want to be succsssful at Football then first and foremost you've gotta put in the hard work / graft as if your lazy and cant be bothered your ability / potential will disappear and you'll fall down through the Leagues
It's because all he seems to do is 'run the channels'. I understand and respect those of you that stick up for him, it's probably harder to do than put the boot in. However, even his most ardent defenders on here must admit he needs to up his game massively this season. No disrespect to Church, but if he is there to make runs down the wing and chase defenders, then we could probably get just about any lower league forward to do that, and we might as well pick someone faster/stronger.
Also, I read a lot about how we as a team may not play to his strengths. A couple of things here. A) I am clueless to what his strengths are, and I don't actually think we played to someone like Kermorgant's strengths all the time by knocking it long. Eddie Howe said, and we all know he could play football, and would try and involve playing it to his feet more. Players should be adapting/working on their game all the time. I have a feeling by the same performances we witnessed week in, week out from Church last season, that there's no mixing it up.
He seems to be the one player that agitates me. I can't help it.
I find it very hard to speak ill of someone who never hides and never stops trying all the while he's on the pitch. I really hope BP's coaching makes him the player that he deserves to be and we all would love him to be.
Cabbles, Simon Church runs the channels because that's exactly what his manager tells him to do.
The manager will expect all his players to play to his instructions.
Part of Church's game will be to pressure defenders into making mistakes, but that's not what is meant by running the channels. Next time you watch him play, watch his movement off the ball and the lung bursting runs he makes to get behind defenders to collect the ball or make the decoy run to open up the space for team mates to exploit.
And as mentioned in previous posts, he's capable of scoring when picked out on the run.
It's a team game, there is a game plan - and for all his shortcomings in the 6 yard box, Church plays his role within the game plan and makes a valuable contribution to the overall team effort.
Bradley has gone, I know let's find another player and get half the North Upper to rip into him at every possible opportunity. Or we could try getting behind the whole squad.
bradley wp scored twice for new york red bulls on sunday, just saying...
Cabbles, Simon Church runs the channels because that's exactly what his manager tells him to do.
The manager will expect all his players to play to his instructions.
Part of Church's game will be to pressure defenders into making mistakes, but that's not what is meant by running the channels. Next time you watch him play, watch his movement off the ball and the lung bursting runs he makes to get behind defenders to collect the ball or make the decoy run to open up the space for team mates to exploit.
And as mentioned in previous posts, he's capable of scoring when picked out on the run.
It's a team game, there is a game plan - and for all his shortcomings in the 6 yard box, Church plays his role within the game plan and makes a valuable contribution to the overall team effort.
That's why his managers continued to pick him.
Be good to see where we are with him come October. Be great if he suddenly turns round and smashes it. BUT......
Churchy would be a great striker if he could only kick the ball! Joking aside, he's never going to be prolific, he's more of a striker who can open things up for the main striker, by his running and hassling defenders into making mistakes. Alongside a good goalscorer, he may be good for 8 to 10 goals per season.
Churchy would be a great striker if he could only kick the ball! Joking aside, he's never going to be prolific, he's more of a striker who can open things up for the main striker, by his running and hassling defenders into making mistakes. Alongside a good goalscorer, he may be good for 8 to 10 goals per season.
I just looked at his Reading stats: 22 goals in 55 League starts + 49 sub.
I fully respect everyone's view of Chruch and other matters on this forum and accept that we all have different views and opinions. It doesn't make any of us a bigger fan than anyone else etc. We all love the club but just view things concerning it in a different way.
At the end of the day, a striker/forward is paid by the club to score goals, which win games and get points. It doesn't matter how much running around a striker does, or how hard he presses a defence, if he doesn't score goals, he doesn't score goals. Simple. Church made 38 appearances for Charlton last season and scored 3 goals. Only 2 in the league. We had defenders and midfielders scoring more than him in a season. That is not the statistics of a striker. A striker should probably get at least 2 goals in one game, at least 2 or 3 times a season!
I believe he could probably do a good job in League 1. But not the Championship. I genuinely have nothing against him. If he isn't leaving us yet then fair enough.....but I really hope he has a blinder of a season and shoves my views of him right back in my face. But I just don't see that happening.
I thought he got 3 in the cups, 2 at home to Oxford and one away at Wendies, still a poor return though. Edit; he actually scored 3 in the league, 2 FA Cup and 2 League Cup = 7 in 34 appearances, 10 as sub.
Church scored 7 goals for Charlton in total last season, 2 LC goals v Oxford plus 2 FA Cup goals.
He scored the winner at Huddersfield in Round 4, with a very tidy finish across the keeper. And also the winner at Wednesday in Round 5, with a header.
My heart sinks when Churchy's through in the box one on one almost as much as when Danny Green steps up to take a free kick or corner. However, I've got an open mind on him going forward - if we have more attacking options (and we could hardly have less over last season) then I think we will see more of him being involved in goals. Frankly I don't care if he scores 7 a season if he sets up Igor to score 20.
Bradley has gone, I know let's find another player and get half the North Upper to rip into him at every possible opportunity. Or we could try getting behind the whole squad.
bradley wp scored twice for new york red bulls on sunday, just saying...
BWP also got one goal in 21 appearances for us in his Championship season. Church did better than that
One thing is for certain... with his pace / workrate, if he could finish / be able to strike the ball really well do people think he'd seriously be with us?
Church is neither the best nor the worst striker to play for us. He does have a superb attitude though, never leaves anything on the pitch, and he's been playing in - let's face it - a pretty poor Charlton side. When the team's struggling, it's a rare striker who looks any good, and when the one or two chances come if you don't get them you face a lot of criticism. His spongefoot is the stuff of legend now, but given the goals he did score I'd suggest that's as much of a confidence thing as anything.
He's clearly able to convert chances as his record at Reading suggests. Who knows, a couple of goals in a better team might transform him. Supporters on his back will hardly help him improve.
Church scored 7 goals for Charlton in total last season, 2 LC goals v Oxford plus 2 FA Cup goals.
He scored the winner at Huddersfield in Round 4, with a very tidy finish across the keeper. And also the winner at Wednesday in Round 5, with a header.
A striker should probably get at least 2 goals in one game, at least 2 or 3 times a season!
Hey, he's Simon Church, not Roy of the Rovers!
;o)
You say he scored a header against Wednesday in the cup but if you watched it clearly, he couldn't get quite work out how to get his head on the ball and instead decided to finish it with his hand or shoulder.
its amazing how many people moan about Poyets percieved lack of loyalty but how about we actually show some loyalty to a player on our books and gives 100 percent everytime he steps on the field. Is loyalty restricted to those players deemed to have enough quality ?
He has heart and energy a bit like a certain right midfielder we let go who would have owned he Church roll difference being Waggy could strike a ball!
That is how you go over something we should be over!
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Also, I read a lot about how we as a team may not play to his strengths. A couple of things here. A) I am clueless to what his strengths are, and
He seems to be the one player that agitates me. I can't help it.
The manager will expect all his players to play to his instructions.
Part of Church's game will be to pressure defenders into making mistakes, but that's not what is meant by running the channels. Next time you watch him play, watch his movement off the ball and the lung bursting runs he makes to get behind defenders to collect the ball or make the decoy run to open up the space for team mates to exploit.
And as mentioned in previous posts, he's capable of scoring when picked out on the run.
It's a team game, there is a game plan - and for all his shortcomings in the 6 yard box,
Church plays his role within the game plan and makes a valuable contribution to the overall team effort.
That's why his managers continued to pick him.
Joking aside, he's never going to be prolific, he's more of a striker who can open things up for the main striker, by his running and hassling defenders into making mistakes. Alongside a good goalscorer, he may be good for 8 to 10 goals per season.
But it seems to me that many people choose to focus on those weak points, but blindly refuse to see what he does bring to the table. I just looked at his Reading stats: 22 goals in 55 League starts + 49 sub.
Evidently much more productive for Reading.
At the end of the day, a striker/forward is paid by the club to score goals, which win games and get points. It doesn't matter how much running around a striker does, or how hard he presses a defence, if he doesn't score goals, he doesn't score goals. Simple. Church made 38 appearances for Charlton last season and scored 3 goals. Only 2 in the league. We had defenders and midfielders scoring more than him in a season. That is not the statistics of a striker. A striker should probably get at least 2 goals in one game, at least 2 or 3 times a season!
I believe he could probably do a good job in League 1. But not the Championship. I genuinely have nothing against him. If he isn't leaving us yet then fair enough.....but I really hope he has a blinder of a season and shoves my views of him right back in my face. But I just don't see that happening.
Edit; he actually scored 3 in the league, 2 FA Cup and 2 League Cup = 7 in 34 appearances, 10 as sub.
He scored the winner at Huddersfield in Round 4, with a very tidy finish across the keeper.
And also the winner at Wednesday in Round 5, with a header.
Hey, he's Simon Church, not Roy of the Rovers!
;o)
He's clearly able to convert chances as his record at Reading suggests. Who knows, a couple of goals in a better team might transform him. Supporters on his back will hardly help him improve.
That is how you go over something we should be over!