BP: I had a good chat with Roland. When the job as Charlton manager comes in you don't hesitate. #cafc
BP: My first question was "When's the first flight to London?" I'm very happy to be be here #cafc
BP: Our ambition is to do better than last season #cafc
Low horizons might be all right for you, mate, but for a club like ours anything less than the play-offs would be a failure.
Get real mate! We may have been a moderately big club once but the reality is we were only promoted from the first division 3 years ago and since then have had pretty much the same players throughout.
You need to learn to walk before you can run!
Rubbish. There isn't a single club in this league that doesn't start the season with ambitions for the play-offs. With our history, ground and level of support we ought to be right up there. It's a bit sad that some of our own supporters condone the penny-pinching of the owner and the low expectations of the manager.
Are you saying that teams like Yeovil started the season hoping to reach the play-offs????
I'd say around 5-8 teams start the season looking to consolidate, just like we did two years ago.
BP: I had a good chat with Roland. When the job as Charlton manager comes in you don't hesitate. #cafc
BP: My first question was "When's the first flight to London?" I'm very happy to be be here #cafc
BP: Our ambition is to do better than last season #cafc
Low horizons might be all right for you, mate, but for a club like ours anything less than the play-offs would be a failure.
Get real mate! We may have been a moderately big club once but the reality is we were only promoted from the first division 3 years ago and since then have had pretty much the same players throughout.
You need to learn to walk before you can run!
Rubbish. There isn't a single club in this league that doesn't start the season with ambitions for the play-offs. With our history, ground and level of support we ought to be right up there. It's a bit sad that some of own supporters condone the penny-pinching of our owner and the low expectations of the manager.
Penny pinching ? You will have to explain that please.
The Kermorgant business, for example. Duchatelet's unequivocal declaration at his takeover press conference that he isn't going to spend big on transfers or wages. Reliance on youth - cheap to run. Peeters has been appointed instead of an experienced English manager - Chris Hughton, say - because he is inexpensive and easy to push around. Duchatelet's personal fortune is around £420m.
And how do you think he amassed that personal fortune, by chucking his money around like confetti. He seems determined not to become another basket case Football Club owner who turned a blind eye to the basic business principles of how they made their money in the first place :-0
Everything big Bobby peeters said was bang on the money
Had Scp said it most would have masterbated till they went boss eyed both male and female
Now is the time for every single cafc fan to drop the cynicism and get behind BP and Rd 100%
Yea right. Wait until you hear the names of some of the latest who are to be made redundant at the club. In the light of that, getting behind RD is not something high on my agenda.
Who else is leaving? I saw on twitter another person with 20 years service is off.
Mick Everett @Addickted05 · Jun 20 Another colleague of mine with 20 years service departed from the club today. Best wishes for the future Jan.
No idea is they were made redundant or left for some other reason/s
Mick is referring to Jan Martin who sadly has been made redundant after 20 years of loyal service to our Club ( even though she doesn't like football !) There was no reason why she would have voluntarily left her post, I can assure you. Her enthusiasm & sheer hard work, especially in a period where her fellow staff members fell by the wayside should be commended.
Jan worked as a Facilities Management Co-ordinator and gave her all from an office in the bowels of the West Stand which was no more than a large cupboard. From time to time, she emerged for some fresh air....
Jan was heavily involved in the volunteering at The Valley over recent seasons inc the seat cleaning projects which is where we spoke about helping with the Pierre Bolangi Memorial Garden.
Whilst I do not know the full facts about Jan's redundancy, nor do I know who will be taking over her heavy workload, she will be sorely missed and IMHO deserved better than her ultimate fate.
A truly lovely lady whose sunny smile lit up the dark days of recent years.
Enjoy your "retirement", Jan. You SO deserve it !
Well, legally it is the position, not the person, who is made redundant - so assume the powers that be reckon they can do without anyone taking over Jan's "heavy workload"?
Sorry to hear this and wish Jan all the very best.
Sometimes think there is clearing out going on for the sake of clearing out, rather than any grand strategy...
Indeed, Weegie, I believe that is the case.
Only time will tell whether this was a "good" move by the powers that be or a big mistake....
So there wont be a facilities Manager from now on?
Anyway best of luck to her I hope she finds something quickly or enjoys a break.
BP: I had a good chat with Roland. When the job as Charlton manager comes in you don't hesitate. #cafc
BP: My first question was "When's the first flight to London?" I'm very happy to be be here #cafc
BP: Our ambition is to do better than last season #cafc
Low horizons might be all right for you, mate, but for a club like ours anything less than the play-offs would be a failure.
Get real mate! We may have been a moderately big club once but the reality is we were only promoted from the first division 3 years ago and since then have had pretty much the same players throughout.
You need to learn to walk before you can run!
Rubbish. There isn't a single club in this league that doesn't start the season with ambitions for the play-offs. With our history, ground and level of support we ought to be right up there. It's a bit sad that some of own supporters condone the penny-pinching of our owner and the low expectations of the manager.
Penny pinching ? You will have to explain that please.
The Kermorgant business, for example. Duchatelet's unequivocal declaration at his takeover press conference that he isn't going to spend big on transfers or wages. Reliance on youth - cheap to run. Peeters has been appointed instead of an experienced English manager - Chris Hughton, say - because he is inexpensive and easy to push around. Duchatelet's personal fortune is around £420m.
Oops, you forgot to mention the £1M striker we are signing today (hopefully).
BP: I had a good chat with Roland. When the job as Charlton manager comes in you don't hesitate. #cafc
BP: My first question was "When's the first flight to London?" I'm very happy to be be here #cafc
BP: Our ambition is to do better than last season #cafc
Low horizons might be all right for you, mate, but for a club like ours anything less than the play-offs would be a failure.
Get real mate! We may have been a moderately big club once but the reality is we were only promoted from the first division 3 years ago and since then have had pretty much the same players throughout.
You need to learn to walk before you can run!
Rubbish. There isn't a single club in this league that doesn't start the season with ambitions for the play-offs. With our history, ground and level of support we ought to be right up there. It's a bit sad that some of own supporters condone the penny-pinching of our owner and the low expectations of the manager.
Penny pinching ? You will have to explain that please.
The Kermorgant business, for example. Duchatelet's unequivocal declaration at his takeover press conference that he isn't going to spend big on transfers or wages. Reliance on youth - cheap to run. Peeters has been appointed instead of an experienced English manager - Chris Hughton, say - because he is inexpensive and easy to push around. Duchatelet's personal fortune is around £420m.
And how do you think he amassed that personal fortune, by chucking his money around like confetti. He seems determined not to become another basket case Football Club owner who turned a blind eye to the basic business principles of how they made their money in the first place :-0
Hopefully Roland isn't a 'penny pincher' and hopefully he won't 'chuck money around like confetti either.' Somewhere inbetween would be ideal, I guess?!
Everything big Bobby peeters said was bang on the money
Had Scp said it most would have masterbated till they went boss eyed both male and female
Now is the time for every single cafc fan to drop the cynicism and get behind BP and Rd 100%
Yea right. Wait until you hear the names of some of the latest who are to be made redundant at the club. In the light of that, getting behind RD is not something high on my agenda.
Who else is leaving? I saw on twitter another person with 20 years service is off.
Mick Everett @Addickted05 · Jun 20 Another colleague of mine with 20 years service departed from the club today. Best wishes for the future Jan.
No idea is they were made redundant or left for some other reason/s
Mick is referring to Jan Martin who sadly has been made redundant after 20 years of loyal service to our Club ( even though she doesn't like football !) There was no reason why she would have voluntarily left her post, I can assure you. Her enthusiasm & sheer hard work, especially in a period where her fellow staff members fell by the wayside should be commended.
Jan worked as a Facilities Management Co-ordinator and gave her all from an office in the bowels of the West Stand which was no more than a large cupboard. From time to time, she emerged for some fresh air....
Jan was heavily involved in the volunteering at The Valley over recent seasons inc the seat cleaning projects which is where we spoke about helping with the Pierre Bolangi Memorial Garden.
Whilst I do not know the full facts about Jan's redundancy, nor do I know who will be taking over her heavy workload, she will be sorely missed and IMHO deserved better than her ultimate fate.
A truly lovely lady whose sunny smile lit up the dark days of recent years.
Enjoy your "retirement", Jan. You SO deserve it !
Well, legally it is the position, not the person, who is made redundant - so assume the powers that be reckon they can do without anyone taking over Jan's "heavy workload"?
Sorry to hear this and wish Jan all the very best.
Sometimes think there is clearing out going on for the sake of clearing out, rather than any grand strategy...
Indeed, Weegie, I believe that is the case.
Only time will tell whether this was a "good" move by the powers that be or a big mistake....
So there wont be a facilities Manager from now on?
Anyway best of luck to her I hope she finds something quickly or enjoys a break.
There won't be a Facilities Management Co-ordinator, New bloke has recently been employed as Head of FM, so therefore, there is plenty of room for a Facilities Manager. Perhaps Jan, as a co-ordinator, isn't up to the role (or doesnt want it)
Why do people get so worked up about people being made redundant. It happens all round the world and is no reason to be all anti rd
What a horrible comment.
How on earth is that horrible? It's a fact of life.
Because when people lose their jobs peoples lives are affected - im really shocked by your attitude to peoples livelihoods.
I'm aware, I'm not celebrating any redundancy I'm just making a point as to why people shouldn't be anti rd over this.
It happens. I've been made redundant before and I will do again. My dads even been made redundant about 10 times. It unfortunately is a fact of life. No maliciousness in what I'm saying at all
I don't imagine there will be a FM Coordinator by title
'Redundancy is when you dismiss an employee because you no longer need anyone to do their job. This might be because the business is:
changing what it does doing things in a different way (eg using new machinery) changing location or closing down For a redundancy to be genuine, you must demonstrate that the employee’s job will no longer exist.'
I see the same people moaning that there are redundancies are the same moaning that we only have 1 goalkeeper and no centre halves, and that we have too many loans.
This guy is a shrewd businessman, he knows where to makes cuts and where the money needs to be put into.
If he keeps on all staff and invests in the playing side, will the same people be moaning that the club is being run into debt??
Cant have it all I'm afraid, and although its sad that people are being made redundant, something needs to give.
Who's moaning, I just see people being sympathetic towards someone who is being made redundant. Wish people would bore off with posts about fictional moaners!
I see the same people moaning that there are redundancies are the same moaning that we only have 1 goalkeeper and no centre halves, and that we have too many loans.
This guy is a shrewd businessman, he knows where to makes cuts and where the money needs to be put into.
If he keeps on all staff and invests in the playing side, will the same people be moaning that the club is being run into debt??
Cant have it all I'm afraid, and although its sad that people are being made redundant, something needs to give.
Who's moaning, I just see people being sympathetic towards someone who is being made redundant. Wish people would bore off with posts about fictional moaners!
Everything big Bobby peeters said was bang on the money
Had Scp said it most would have masterbated till they went boss eyed both male and female
Now is the time for every single cafc fan to drop the cynicism and get behind BP and Rd 100%
Yea right. Wait until you hear the names of some of the latest who are to be made redundant at the club. In the light of that, getting behind RD is not something high on my agenda.
Why do people get so worked up about people being made redundant. It happens all round the world and is no reason to be all anti rd
What a horrible comment.
How on earth is that horrible? It's a fact of life.
Because when people lose their jobs peoples lives are affected - im really shocked by your attitude to peoples livelihoods.
I'm aware, I'm not celebrating any redundancy I'm just making a point as to why people shouldn't be anti rd over this.
It happens. I've been made redundant before and I will do again. My dads even been made redundant about 3 times. It unfortunately is a fact of life. No maliciousness in what I'm saying at all
I see the same people moaning that there are redundancies are the same moaning that we only have 1 goalkeeper and no centre halves, and that we have too many loans.
This guy is a shrewd businessman, he knows where to makes cuts and where the money needs to be put into.
If he keeps on all staff and invests in the playing side, will the same people be moaning that the club is being run into debt??
Cant have it all I'm afraid, and although its sad that people are being made redundant, something needs to give.
Who's moaning, I just see people being sympathetic towards someone who is being made redundant. Wish people would bore off with posts about fictional moaners!
Everything big Bobby peeters said was bang on the money
Had Scp said it most would have masterbated till they went boss eyed both male and female
Now is the time for every single cafc fan to drop the cynicism and get behind BP and Rd 100%
Yea right. Wait until you hear the names of some of the latest who are to be made redundant at the club. In the light of that, getting behind RD is not something high on my agenda.
bore yourself later
Didn't your post say people? Plural? That is one person.
I see the same people moaning that there are redundancies are the same moaning that we only have 1 goalkeeper and no centre halves, and that we have too many loans.
This guy is a shrewd businessman, he knows where to makes cuts and where the money needs to be put into.
If he keeps on all staff and invests in the playing side, will the same people be moaning that the club is being run into debt??
Cant have it all I'm afraid, and although its sad that people are being made redundant, something needs to give.
Who's moaning, I just see people being sympathetic towards someone who is being made redundant. Wish people would bore off with posts about fictional moaners!
Everything big Bobby peeters said was bang on the money
Had Scp said it most would have masterbated till they went boss eyed both male and female
Now is the time for every single cafc fan to drop the cynicism and get behind BP and Rd 100%
Yea right. Wait until you hear the names of some of the latest who are to be made redundant at the club. In the light of that, getting behind RD is not something high on my agenda.
bore yourself later
Didn't your post say people? Plural? That is one person.
I see the same people moaning that there are redundancies are the same moaning that we only have 1 goalkeeper and no centre halves, and that we have too many loans.
This guy is a shrewd businessman, he knows where to makes cuts and where the money needs to be put into.
If he keeps on all staff and invests in the playing side, will the same people be moaning that the club is being run into debt??
Cant have it all I'm afraid, and although its sad that people are being made redundant, something needs to give.
Who's moaning, I just see people being sympathetic towards someone who is being made redundant. Wish people would bore off with posts about fictional moaners!
Yes it did VG. Because you weren't the only one boring on about it!
I think I may duck this site for a few days, if the negative people are not bad enough those that keep imagining criticisms and negativity in others posts are, I think, worse (and now I am probably doing the same with this post, lol).
I don't imagine there will be a FM Coordinator by title
'Redundancy is when you dismiss an employee because you no longer need anyone to do their job. This might be because the business is:
changing what it does doing things in a different way (eg using new machinery) changing location or closing down For a redundancy to be genuine, you must demonstrate that the employee’s job will no longer exist.'
Legally, no. May be a similar job, however.
My guess would be the job has been outsourced. It's a sad fact of life business these days. I expect the pennies being saved have gone towards the final contract offer to Poyet - so we know who to blame....
Yes it did VG. Because you weren't the only one boring on about it!
I think I may duck this site for a few days, if the negative people are not bad enough those that keep imagining criticisms and negativity in others posts are, I think, worse (and now I am probably doing the same with this post, lol).
You've only gotta look at The Newshopper's thread about why BP was hired, to see that some posters will get the nark or put snide remarks about the owners at any opportunity.
I understand people's hesitation in being 100% behind the new regime, but some people are going to great lengths to put negativity into any noise being made by the club. It needs to be pointed out because its becoming a joke. There is no imagining it, its there for people to read.
As with all takeovers, every employee will have been under scrutiny. If people are paying your salary they need to know what your job contributes. If you are not one of the millions who have experienced such a process over the past 30 years then consider yourself very fortunate. I witnessed it in UK banking and in the US leisure industry post 9/11. Watching people being escorted individually off the premises by two armed guards is not a sight you forget.
That said the process is not intended to either disrespect or challenge the talents or performance of current or past employees. Financially it is a matter of knowing, before you spend any money, what your cost base is, the value it brings and how you might improve both.
It is neither a cause for unfeeling comment or inappropriate condemnation.
It is within a business regularly losing £5mn per annum sadly a fact of life. My best wishes to the individual(s) involved
N.B. The inconvenient truth remains that in addition to funding the above shortfall someone recently shelled out £14mn to keep the business operating at all, while assuming responsibility for additional remaining debts of a comparable sum. Penny pinching? Yeah right!
I see the same people moaning that there are redundancies are the same moaning that we only have 1 goalkeeper and no centre halves, and that we have too many loans.
This guy is a shrewd businessman, he knows where to makes cuts and where the money needs to be put into.
If he keeps on all staff and invests in the playing side, will the same people be moaning that the club is being run into debt??
Cant have it all I'm afraid, and although its sad that people are being made redundant, something needs to give.
Gary - your post above obviously had me in mind. And it's a fair point you make - on the face of it my comments are contradictory.
The point I would just ask you to consider is this. In the bigger scheme of things the savings being made by letting go some of the staff who will be leaving is small beer. For example, I know one person who will be leaving shortly whose salary will probably save about 4 or 5 weeks wages for Polish Pete. So in order that we can pay thousands and thousands of pounds in wages to hopeless signings like Thuram-Ulien, Nego, PP (and, in my opinion Reza (although let's not start that debate up again) we cut hard-working and loyal staff to pay for these players.
IMO, if you want to balance the books, clear out the dross players we have accumulated under RD, not people earning a small crust who have given many years service to the club.
Right, that's my lot on the subject. Different people have different views. It's just some, to my way of thinking, have no thoughts for other people.
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I'd say around 5-8 teams start the season looking to consolidate, just like we did two years ago.
Anyway best of luck to her I hope she finds something quickly or enjoys a break.
There won't be a Facilities Management Co-ordinator, New bloke has recently been employed as Head of FM, so therefore, there is plenty of room for a Facilities Manager. Perhaps Jan, as a co-ordinator, isn't up to the role (or doesnt want it)
It happens. I've been made redundant before and I will do again. My dads even been made redundant about 10 times. It unfortunately is a fact of life. No maliciousness in what I'm saying at all
changing what it does
doing things in a different way (eg using new machinery)
changing location or closing down
For a redundancy to be genuine, you must demonstrate that the employee’s job will no longer exist.'
Legally, no. May be a similar job, however.
I think I may duck this site for a few days, if the negative people are not bad enough those that keep imagining criticisms and negativity in others posts are, I think, worse (and now I am probably doing the same with this post, lol).
It's a sad fact of
lifebusiness these days. I expect the pennies being saved have gone towards the final contract offer to Poyet - so we know who to blame....I understand people's hesitation in being 100% behind the new regime, but some people are going to great lengths to put negativity into any noise being made by the club. It needs to be pointed out because its becoming a joke. There is no imagining it, its there for people to read.
That said the process is not intended to either disrespect or challenge the talents or performance of current or past employees. Financially it is a matter of knowing, before you spend any money, what your cost base is, the value it brings and how you might improve both.
It is neither a cause for unfeeling comment or inappropriate condemnation.
It is within a business regularly losing £5mn per annum sadly a fact of life. My best wishes to the individual(s) involved
N.B. The inconvenient truth remains that in addition to funding the above shortfall someone recently shelled out £14mn to keep the business operating at all, while assuming responsibility for additional remaining debts of a comparable sum. Penny pinching? Yeah right!
The point I would just ask you to consider is this. In the bigger scheme of things the savings being made by letting go some of the staff who will be leaving is small beer. For example, I know one person who will be leaving shortly whose salary will probably save about 4 or 5 weeks wages for Polish Pete. So in order that we can pay thousands and thousands of pounds in wages to hopeless signings like Thuram-Ulien, Nego, PP (and, in my opinion Reza (although let's not start that debate up again) we cut hard-working and loyal staff to pay for these players.
IMO, if you want to balance the books, clear out the dross players we have accumulated under RD, not people earning a small crust who have given many years service to the club.
Right, that's my lot on the subject. Different people have different views. It's just some, to my way of thinking, have no thoughts for other people.
We only have 2 youngsters Nego and Parsyzek (sp).
Unless you're referring to World Cup Reza ?
(that don't sound great)