Maybe something like this should galvanise football fans in all the forums and we can find a way to put a collective two fingers up at the FA and it's cronies. Maybe with a message to stop talking rubbish and start investing in coaching and the grass roots game. Something everybody can sign up to.
Maybe something like this should galvanise football fans in all the forums and we can find a way to put a collective two fingers up at the FA and it's cronies. Maybe with a message to stop talking rubbish and start investing in coaching and the grass roots game. Something everybody can sign up to.
There is just one problem. These idiots are everything you say, but one of their idiocies was to give away all the money. To some new organisation nobody asked for, called the FAPL. And actually Greg Dyke played a key role in making that happen.
Where will these B teams play if/when they get to league 1?
Either they will have to play at the main stadium - or have another stadium fit for purpose - which will rule out all but the very wealthy clubs
The FA talk about modernisation and revolution, meanwhile they appoint Aidy Boothroyd as England u20 manager lol.
Football in this country is a joke, it's no wonder we've not gone forwards with the likes of Richards and now this idiot.
What if teams do a Wolves and get relagated, do we have Wolves a v Wolves b? or do Wolves b who lets say finished 10th in L1 have to suffer a relegation replacing an already relegated side.
Dyke is fooking clueless, the main thing that needs to be pumped into the English system is money for grass roots talent, this meaning more football centers/ facilities/better coaches for English/British kids to be given easier opportunities.
My opinion, I think GD has badly misjudged how much people care about the national team in comparison to their clubs (as well as coming up with totally the wrong solution). In lots of other places I've visited in Europe the national team is paramount and affection for your club is second place. In I think in England it's the opposite. Generally our club is by far the most important thing to us and we only really care that this may have a detrimental impact on the national team once every couple of years.
Ask yourself this - if it was announced tomorrow that Diego Poyet was both signing a new contract and also going to the World Cup with Uruguay, how would you respond ?
Where else in europe would you say the national support overides club support?
Certinally not Spain, Italy or France who's numbers are usually pathetic.
In eastern europe the club supports are often self-segregated and they row with each other at national games, which would tend to suggest club loyalties are more important to them.
We get bigger home crowds (even for nothing games) than most countries could dream of getting, even though we pay the most for it.
We travel in good and sometimes amazing numbers everywhere.
So I can't agree relative to other Countries that we care less about the national team.
And Diego - if he signs I'm happy. If he goes to the WC I honestly couldn't give a monkeys - why would I?
Given my disappointment and anger when a 5 year old Walcott went to the World Cup instead of top scoring Darren Bent, I do care about Charlton players playing for Ingerland, but Diego signing a contract far outweighs being selected for the national team. If he decides to play for Uruguay I'd be disappointed but if he fails to sign for us that's "devastating".
What I don't understand about the Dyke review is that he seems to have looked at England in isolation of the English football environment and he was never going to have a sensible solution from that. Looking at the use of the loans system, feeder clubs and non eu restrictions could have increased the playing time of English players and raised the overall quality of football throughout the leagues.
I couldn't believe the level of support for the idea yesterday from Giggs, Rogers, Martinez etc.
Worrying isn't it! Also shows they don't give a f*** about destroying the football league. The PL doesn't give a monkeys about English football so why are they the ones calling the shots.
I couldn't believe the level of support for the idea yesterday from Giggs, Rogers, Martinez etc.
Worrying isn't it! Also shows they don't give a f*** about destroying the football league. The PL doesn't give a monkeys about English football so why are they the ones calling the shots.
The Premier League released a statement opposing the idea yesterday;
With all the ridiculous amounts of money they take from TV rights etc, they may wanna look at lowering the cost of coaching licenses in this country first.
Top level coaching badge costs around £2500-£3000 compared to around £500-900 in Spain and Germany.
Interesting point. There's many, many things wrong with English football. The competitive nature of the lower leagues are absolutely not the issue. Dyke and the boys have shown themselves up as utter charlatans here.
Where else in europe would you say the national support overides club support?
Certinally not Spain, Italy or France who's numbers are usually pathetic.
In eastern europe the club supports are often self-segregated and they row with each other at national games, which would tend to suggest club loyalties are more important to them.
We get bigger home crowds (even for nothing games) than most countries could dream of getting, even though we pay the most for it.
We travel in good and sometimes amazing numbers everywhere.
So I can't agree relative to other Countries that we care less about the national team.
And Diego - if he signs I'm happy. If he goes to the WC I honestly couldn't give a monkeys - why would I?
In my opinion France and Spain (certainly outside of Catalonia and possibly the Basque Country) care far more about their national teams than we do in the UK. Attendances in general are comparatively lower for club and country across Europe.
My opinion, I think GD has badly misjudged how much people care about the national team in comparison to their clubs (as well as coming up with totally the wrong solution). In lots of other places I've visited in Europe the national team is paramount and affection for your club is second place. In I think in England it's the opposite. Generally our club is by far the most important thing to us and we only really care that this may have a detrimental impact on the national team once every couple of years.
Ask yourself this - if it was announced tomorrow that Diego Poyet was both signing a new contract and also going to the World Cup with Uruguay, how would you respond ?
As you say, your opinion. England always comes first for me. The Organiser's points are all valid, I should like to add why it is more important for me (my opinion):
A successful England team makes a lot more people happy than a successful Charlton team - I like people to be happy, the more the merrier (see what I did there...).
A successful England run at the WC will boost the economy.
People who think it's okay to support a team they have no connection with from miles away, just because they are successful and then distance themselves from the England team can be pointed at and laughed at.
The same goes for anyone who claims they don't care about the national team. If you are passionate about FOOTBALL you have to care about the national team, even if you claim not to, you just can't switch off.
None of this matters anyway, because the proposal will have no positive impact on the national team anyway - for all the reasons already stated. It's all about the FA and PL taking more power over the game.
In answer to your question I would be happy he signed a new contract for Charlton, and I would be disappointed that he had chosen Uruguay - the two are not mutually exclusive. I would say he is a long long way from the finished article and that long term Uruguay's gain may not be England's loss... :-)
We'll have to ageee to disagree. When I was in Donetsk for the England v France game at the last euros France must have had 50 (I'm probably being generous) fans at the game, I kid you not.
It's well known their support is crap. Same with Spain (before their recent success) away from home.
Considering our constant (relative) failure and the cost we pay to watch football in this Country I think you'll be hard pressed to find a Country who care as much as we do and who are as desperate for success as we are.
Likewise I was at England v France at Euro 2004, the entire Estadio do Luz was filled with England supporters except for one tiny section of French, and even then there was a pocket of England fans among them.
Spain's national team's new found support might just have something to do with events of the last six years...
How did Spain go from being great underachievers like us to world Champions?
Investing in grass roots coaching, children playing on smaller sized pitches etc, better qualified and more top level coaches. And possibly an FA that isn't full of self serving arseholes?
Dyke is the half-witted mouthpiece of the richest premier clubs whose only concern is their own financial well-being. The blueprint for football in 1991, a giant step forward in the big clubs' enrichment at the expense of the rest, mortally wounded the soul of football, this stupid idea (not that it will be adopted) would finish it off. Every change in the last 20+ years in the way football is organised has served to widen the gap between haves and have-nots, and reduce competitiveness and oppprtunity. From the home club keeping gate receipts to the catastrophic academy rules that favour the richest, the elite clubs are pulling up the drawbridge by degrees. the national team is just a pretext for continuing this relentless process.
I couldn't believe the level of support for the idea yesterday from Giggs, Rogers, Martinez etc.
Worrying isn't it! Also shows they don't give a f*** about destroying the football league. The PL doesn't give a monkeys about English football so why are they the ones calling the shots.
The Premier League released a statement opposing the idea yesterday;
It's interesting that not everyone is 'on message'. Seeing those managers coming out with that yesterday on Sky shocked me. Surely all football fans can see its madness or is there a difference what we feel as League sides rather than fans of Premiership clubs?!
Regarding @se9addick' s point I desperately want to believe he is wrong. But I fear he is not. I think @The Organiser about France, but there's a special situation there. However I hope SE9A won't mind if I mention that he's in his mid 20s, and he hears the people of his generation. I can see it in lots of general forum comments. It's the generation that has grown up with Premier League and its massive over promotion, coupled with the general underperformance of the England team, and FAPL clubs playing games to deprive the national team of key players. I am afraid that if you present this as normal for long enough, the younger generation thinks it is normal.
The country that sets the best example IMHO is Germany. Strong clubs, strong academies, strong coaching. But don't tell me they don't care about their national team!
But I'll risk sounding like a stuck record, and say it again. The Bundesliga reports to the German FA. The German FA has the POWER to tell the clubs how it's going to be for the sake of the national team. The FA can only suck up to the FAPL and hope they co-operate. Greg Dyke helped to create that situation, and I am sure he is only going to make it worse. But he does not dare speak the truth. That the FAPL needs to be abolished. He has some balls, but nowhere near enough (as he proved when he ran the BBC, and Michael Grade had to clear up after him).
For all those who think that Greg Dyke is ignorant and clueless, he is most certainly neither of those things and more critically, he has the ear of the moneyed men and thus a lot of power. Do not underestimate him.
For all those who think that Greg Dyke is ignorant and clueless, he is most certainly neither of those things and more critically, he has the ear of the moneyed men and thus a lot of power. Do not underestimate him.
You may, or may not be right. However he was always going to be judged on his first master plan, and following the grand reveal he's stood holding a bucket of shite. Whoever's ear he is tounging there's little evidence that his plan will improve the game in England, and the supporting rationale is non exsistent. That's the job he's supposed to be doing.
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Don't buy the England kit
Don't attend friendlies at wembley
The fa run by old bstds so out of touch with what decade we are in it needs dissolving
Where will these B teams play if/when they get to league 1?
Either they will have to play at the main stadium - or have another stadium fit for purpose - which will rule out all but the very wealthy clubs
The FA talk about modernisation and revolution, meanwhile they appoint Aidy Boothroyd as England u20 manager lol.
Football in this country is a joke, it's no wonder we've not gone forwards with the likes of Richards and now this idiot.
What if teams do a Wolves and get relagated, do we have Wolves a v Wolves b? or do Wolves b who lets say finished 10th in L1 have to suffer a relegation replacing an already relegated side.
Dyke is fooking clueless, the main thing that needs to be pumped into the English system is money for grass roots talent, this meaning more football centers/ facilities/better coaches for English/British kids to be given easier opportunities.
Are you really going to go public with that B league shit
That's funnier than RM employing Parkinson based on results
GD don't be silly KM nothing was that ridiculous
Ask yourself this - if it was announced tomorrow that Diego Poyet was both signing a new contract and also going to the World Cup with Uruguay, how would you respond ?
Where else in europe would you say the national support overides club support?
Certinally not Spain, Italy or France who's numbers are usually pathetic.
In eastern europe the club supports are often self-segregated and they row with each other at national games, which would tend to suggest club loyalties are more important to them.
We get bigger home crowds (even for nothing games) than most countries could dream of getting, even though we pay the most for it.
We travel in good and sometimes amazing numbers everywhere.
So I can't agree relative to other Countries that we care less about the national team.
And Diego - if he signs I'm happy. If he goes to the WC I honestly couldn't give a monkeys - why would I?
What I don't understand about the Dyke review is that he seems to have looked at England in isolation of the English football environment and he was never going to have a sensible solution from that. Looking at the use of the loans system, feeder clubs and non eu restrictions could have increased the playing time of English players and raised the overall quality of football throughout the leagues.
The PL doesn't give a monkeys about English football so why are they the ones calling the shots.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/09/richard-scudamore-fa-premier-league
A successful England team makes a lot more people happy than a successful Charlton team - I like people to be happy, the more the merrier (see what I did there...).
A successful England run at the WC will boost the economy.
People who think it's okay to support a team they have no connection with from miles away, just because they are successful and then distance themselves from the England team can be pointed at and laughed at.
The same goes for anyone who claims they don't care about the national team. If you are passionate about FOOTBALL you have to care about the national team, even if you claim not to, you just can't switch off.
None of this matters anyway, because the proposal will have no positive impact on the national team anyway - for all the reasons already stated. It's all about the FA and PL taking more power over the game.
In answer to your question I would be happy he signed a new contract for Charlton, and I would be disappointed that he had chosen Uruguay - the two are not mutually exclusive. I would say he is a long long way from the finished article and that long term Uruguay's gain may not be England's loss... :-)
We'll have to ageee to disagree. When I was in Donetsk for the England v France game at the last euros France must have had 50 (I'm probably being generous) fans at the game, I kid you not.
It's well known their support is crap. Same with Spain (before their recent success) away from home.
Considering our constant (relative) failure and the cost we pay to watch football in this Country I think you'll be hard pressed to find a Country who care as much as we do and who are as desperate for success as we are.
Spain's national team's new found support might just have something to do with events of the last six years...
The country that sets the best example IMHO is Germany. Strong clubs, strong academies, strong coaching. But don't tell me they don't care about their national team!
But I'll risk sounding like a stuck record, and say it again. The Bundesliga reports to the German FA. The German FA has the POWER to tell the clubs how it's going to be for the sake of the national team. The FA can only suck up to the FAPL and hope they co-operate. Greg Dyke helped to create that situation, and I am sure he is only going to make it worse. But he does not dare speak the truth. That the FAPL needs to be abolished. He has some balls, but nowhere near enough (as he proved when he ran the BBC, and Michael Grade had to clear up after him).