On Supersport in SA a lot, talks a lot of sense and way better than most pundits. Tactically really gets the game still. We didn't get him at his best but was still a class act on and off the pitch.
Obviously there are very few ethnic minority managers in the British game, and without knowing anyone in the game who is black I can't comment on what obstacles or barriers they face to getting into management. But why is it Powell, Hughton & Ramsey for example do have a job, whereas Barnes doesn't? Sure the game must be doing all it can to encourage diversity etc, yet I think here, like when Campbell claimed he didn't get England captain, is a case of just not being good enough. Barnes' record as a manager was crap, and that's being kind.
""Very few black managers can lose their job and get another job."
Got any stats to back that up John?
Of course he does, from the link provided by the BBC, the following black managers that currently got jobs have had the following history, so looks like they've all struggled to get a second job
Chris Hughton has had four jobs: Newcastle / Birmingham / Norwich / Brighton Keith Curle has had four jobs: Chester / Torquay / Notts County / Carlisle Chris Powell has had two jobs: Charlton / Huddersfield Fabio Liverani has had two jobs: Genoa / Leyton Orient Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink has had two jobs: Royal Antwerp / Burton Albion
Even Paul Ince has struggled with only six jobs (Macclesfield / Blackburn / MK Dons twice / Notts County / Blackpool)
Whilst Mr John Barnes has only had three jobs himself: Celtic / Tranmere / Jamaica
Maybe he should be pushing other ex-Black Footballers to go into coaching rather than the safe job of being a pundit (i.e. Thierry Henry / Trevor Sinclair / Jermaine Jenas et all)
I think it's probably more to do with the fact that he has got an absolutely terrible record at both clubs he managed. It wasn't just that he failed in them, he did so farcically.
Thought Barnes did well at Celtic and should be given the opportunity to go back to Celtic as manager in the future. In the alternative, I would recommend him to both Millwall and Crystal Palace football clubs as a manager.
""Very few black managers can lose their job and get another job."
Got any stats to back that up John?
The point he's missing is that most managers struggle to get a another job if they've failed in the first one at a club as big as Celtic, regardless of skin colour.
Why can't John see that he's really undermining real cases of racism within football by coming out with hocus pocus shit like this.
Clubs soon find out that managers are no good and they stop getting interviews (except for Appleton). Managers who always used to be in work now aren't such as Brian Laws, Gary Megson, Brian Robson.
He had a disastrous spell with Celtic and the only reason Tranmere didn't get relegated was because they sacked Barnes.
Why can't John see that he's really undermining real cases of racism within football by coming out with hocus pocus shit like this.
Clubs soon find out that managers are no good and they stop getting interviews (except for Appleton). Managers who always used to be in work now aren't such as Brian Laws, Gary Megson, Brian Robson.
He had a disastrous spell with Celtic and the only reason Tranmere didn't get relegated was because they sacked Barnes.
spot on. nothing do with their skin colour. mediocrity
Hull City (Egypt) ... No Leicester City (Thailand) ... No Manchester City (UAE) ... No Queens Park Rangers (Malaysia / India) ... YES
Birmingham City (Hong Kong / China) ... No Blackburn Rovers (India) ... No Cardiff City (Malaysia) ... No Fulham (Pakistan) ... No Nottingham Forest (Kuwait) ... No
Sheffield United (Saudi Arabia) ... No
*I've deliberately left off Arsenal and Leeds and their foreign owners that fall under this example only have a maximum of 15% ownership
The Football League, under the guidance of chairman Greg Clarke, is conducting a review into how it can increase the numbers of BME coaches and managers among its member clubs.
Clarke has been criticised by the Professional Footballers' Association for his failure to keep a promise to hold a vote at the Football League's 2013 annual general meeting on a proposal to conduct a trial of a version of the NFL's Rooney Rule.
The Rooney Rule is a load of bollocks though. Just because you have to interview at least one person from black and ethnic minorities it doesn't mean that they are going to get the job. There may still be better candidates out there who are white.
How do we even know if people from black and ethnic minorities are applying for these jobs?
I have absolutely no idea whether or not there really is a problem for black players trying to make their way in the world of football management. What never ceases to amaze me though is the number of people who are poised to react the second that anyone claims there is an issue. The vehemency of the denials and the counter-claims of "playing the race card" are so strong, it just comes over that many of us are just desperate for there to be no problem because it might shatter a few world views if it is true. The whole unpreparedness to listen to the argument whoever makes it, leads me to believe that there could be something in it.
Given the number of black players it does suggest a problem. The Rooney rule would help in making sure at least there's the prospect of an interview where they may not have been otherwise. Problems at the top with shortage of black chairmen no doubt a factor too (Wigan's Dave Whelan, from player to chairman, so it can be done).
I think it's highly unlikely that the majority of chairmen in the football league are racist and are prepared to overlook the best man for the job because of his skin colour.
It's not necessarily as blatant as someone deliberately setting out to only pick white people though is it, there may be all sorts of subtle influences going on that have the same overall effect.
Given the number of black players it does suggest a problem. The Rooney rule would help in making sure at least there's the prospect of an interview where they may not have been otherwise. Problems at the top with shortage of black chairmen no doubt a factor too (Wigan's Dave Whelan, from player to chairman, so it can be done).
Bad example. Don't forget, he was recently done for racism!
The Africa Cup of Nations had just 4 home managers, the African countries had appointed what they deemed to be the best available to them.
I don't think being black stops you being re-employed in England but I do reckon it is a lot harder for black coaches to get their first break at management.
Yes John it's definitely racism. It has nothing to do with Celtic losing to Inverness & the headline "Super Caley go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious".
Also, after being sacked by Celtic, he manages Tranmere, trying to play silky football in the lower leagues. Who'd have thought that it wouldn't work ?
Barnes was officially named as manager of Tranmere Rovers on 15 June 2009, with Jason McAteer assisting him.[37] He got off to a disastrous start, with Tranmere only winning three of their first fourteen games. During their time at Tranmere, Barnes and McAteer were allegedly dubbed "Dumb and Dumber" by the Tranmere players.[38] On 9 October 2009, Barnes was sacked by the club six days after a 5–0 defeat at Millwall and a run of just two wins from eleven league games.[39] He has since applied to become the manager of the Rwandan national team with Stephen Garside as his Youth Team Coach.[40].
Presumably he didn't get The Rwandan job, because they are anti-blacks ?
I also presume McAteer hasn't had a coaching job since Tranmere, because of racism as well ?
Given the number of black players it does suggest a problem. The Rooney rule would help in making sure at least there's the prospect of an interview where they may not have been otherwise. Problems at the top with shortage of black chairmen no doubt a factor too (Wigan's Dave Whelan, from player to chairman, so it can be done).
Doesn't the number of black players suggest there isn't a problem? Or do Chairmen not have a problem with signing black players but do appointing a manager?
Given the number of black players it does suggest a problem. The Rooney rule would help in making sure at least there's the prospect of an interview where they may not have been otherwise. Problems at the top with shortage of black chairmen no doubt a factor too (Wigan's Dave Whelan, from player to chairman, so it can be done).
Bad example. Don't forget, he was recently done for racism!
That was exactly my point. In fact it was one of 2 points in citing him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6wOW4bNDM 
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/liverpool-legend-john-barnes-claims-racism-is-the-reason-he-hasnt-been-given-another-crack-at-management/ar-AAab97z?ocid=mailsignoutmd
Got any stats to back that up John?
Chris Hughton has had four jobs: Newcastle / Birmingham / Norwich / Brighton
Keith Curle has had four jobs: Chester / Torquay / Notts County / Carlisle
Chris Powell has had two jobs: Charlton / Huddersfield
Fabio Liverani has had two jobs: Genoa / Leyton Orient
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink has had two jobs: Royal Antwerp / Burton Albion
Even Paul Ince has struggled with only six jobs (Macclesfield / Blackburn / MK Dons twice / Notts County / Blackpool)
Whilst Mr John Barnes has only had three jobs himself: Celtic / Tranmere / Jamaica
Maybe he should be pushing other ex-Black Footballers to go into coaching rather than the safe job of being a pundit (i.e. Thierry Henry / Trevor Sinclair / Jermaine Jenas et all)
Thought Barnes did well at Celtic and should be given the opportunity to go back to Celtic as manager in the future. In the alternative, I would recommend him to both Millwall and Crystal Palace football clubs as a manager.
Clubs soon find out that managers are no good and they stop getting interviews (except for Appleton). Managers who always used to be in work now aren't such as Brian Laws, Gary Megson, Brian Robson.
He had a disastrous spell with Celtic and the only reason Tranmere didn't get relegated was because they sacked Barnes.
Hull City (Egypt) ... No
Leicester City (Thailand) ... No
Manchester City (UAE) ... No
Queens Park Rangers (Malaysia / India) ... YES
Birmingham City (Hong Kong / China) ... No
Blackburn Rovers (India) ... No
Cardiff City (Malaysia) ... No
Fulham (Pakistan) ... No
Nottingham Forest (Kuwait) ... No
Sheffield United (Saudi Arabia) ... No
*I've deliberately left off Arsenal and Leeds and their foreign owners that fall under this example only have a maximum of 15% ownership
How do we even know if people from black and ethnic minorities are applying for these jobs?
Interesting idea, could work.
I don't think being black stops you being re-employed in England but I do reckon it is a lot harder for black coaches to get their first break at management.
Also, after being sacked by Celtic, he manages Tranmere, trying to play silky football in the lower leagues.
Who'd have thought that it wouldn't work ?
Barnes was officially named as manager of Tranmere Rovers on 15 June 2009, with Jason McAteer assisting him.[37] He got off to a disastrous start, with Tranmere only winning three of their first fourteen games. During their time at Tranmere, Barnes and McAteer were allegedly dubbed "Dumb and Dumber" by the Tranmere players.[38] On 9 October 2009, Barnes was sacked by the club six days after a 5–0 defeat at Millwall and a run of just two wins from eleven league games.[39] He has since applied to become the manager of the Rwandan national team with Stephen Garside as his Youth Team Coach.[40].
Presumably he didn't get The Rwandan job, because they are anti-blacks ?
I also presume McAteer hasn't had a coaching job since Tranmere, because of racism as well ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnes_(footballer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_McAteer