So in an away crowd of c2000 there were 30 pisstt kids that nobody recognised being rowdy and they would have ran a mile if anyone had confronted them.
Numbers and quotes from the previous comments from people who I assume were there.
So why didn't the vast majority, or even a small number of the majority, sort it out?
If you're talking about the fight on the concourse at half time, then it's probably because it was hand bags and over in about 10 seconds. People around me just sort of looked at each other as if to say wtf was that about and then carried on drinking their pints. No one seemed to really give a sh*t.
Safe standing is the only way to go. Each club should be free to make it's own decision as to whether they install it but it has to be allowed as an option. The German model is SO much better than the unsatisfactory arrangement we have in England.
I can see this A block thing being a total pain but a safe standing option (with a suitably low ticket price) would solve that problem in an instant. F*ck it...I might even join the A blockers behind the goal if we could all stand up!
Everyone should be sitting down as that is the current regulation.
Ever driven above 30mph in a 30mph zone?
Yes, frequently but the point I was trying to make is that sitting down is the norm and if you are asked to sit down because you are blocking someone else's view then you should sit down. Not everyone is able to stand and you'll all be unable to stand one day.
The point I was making is there are laws Like the 30mph speed limit that often get ignored, having to sit down is one of them.
I have nothing against people wanting To sit and understand why they would, and if I was stood up near the front and was asked to sit then I would move, without doubt.
I can't see a single problem that has been raised on here that couldn't be easily solved by a bit of politeness, understanding and willingness to oblige on both sides. It's the fact that some fans believe their way is the only that makes this such an issue.
Having witnessed the beaviour of one youth on Saturday, I don't think you could be more wrong. The problem is there was no willingness to oblige and what does the old bloke sitting behind him do? Oblige by watching his back for 90 minutes?
It isn't about singing or supporting you team , but it is about basic respect - and it should be discussed in a forum. If anybody wants to defend poor behaviour/selfishness - well it is very sad.
Sorry but the example you've given proves my point. If there was willingness to oblige on both sides there wouldn't be a problem. If the two people in question had spoken politely to each other they could easily have come to an arrangement to swap seats. The older person can then respect the young person's desire to sing and the young person can respect the older person;'s desire to sit. I can't see how that can be wrong?
I can't see a single problem that has been raised on here that couldn't be easily solved by a bit of politeness, understanding and willingness to oblige on both sides. It's the fact that some fans believe their way is the only that makes this such an issue.
Having witnessed the beaviour of one youth on Saturday, I don't think you could be more wrong. The problem is there was no willingness to oblige and what does the old bloke sitting behind him do? Oblige by watching his back for 90 minutes?
It isn't about singing or supporting you team , but it is about basic respect - and it should be discussed in a forum. If anybody wants to defend poor behaviour/selfishness - well it is very sad.
Sorry but the example you've given proves my point. If there was willingness to oblige on both sides there wouldn't be a problem. If the two people in question had spoken politely to each other they could easily have come to an arrangement to swap seats. The older person can then respect the young person's desire to sing and the young person can respect the older person;'s desire to sit. I can't see how that can be wrong?
Alright Ghandi. Your logic and reasoning is lovely but you're assuming that both are reasonable and fair people - which in my experience of the Charlton away crowd is not a very safe assumption.
Ask a yoof if he has "a willingness to oblige" he'll probably think you're asking him to join you in the toilets for a quickie.
Everyone should be sitting down as that is the current regulation.
Ever driven above 30mph in a 30mph zone?
You can't win anyway if you drive over you will get done for speeding if you drive under you could soon get done for J Driving. It's the same as J walking they want to bring us in line with Europe.
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
Last season many people complained that the game had been moved form the Bank Holiday Monday to the Tuesday night .One of the outcomes of last Saturday is if we do play the Seagulls again next season then I would be amazed if it would be on a Saturday at 3pm.
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
Last season many people complained that the game had been moved form the Bank Holiday Monday to the Tuesday night .One of the outcomes of last Saturday is if we do play the Seagulls again next season then I would be amazed if it would be on a Saturday at 3pm.
Agree and the sad thing is that some of our fans will be proud of this rather than ashamed. Being disrespectful to older fans doesn't mean you are big or clever, it means you are pathetic. If an old man asks you to sit down and you are 3 rows from the front you sit down - and that fact shouldn't even be being debated on here FFS, what sort of people are we now breeding in this country?
This stuff happens up and down the country, walk past it and let them fight amongst themselves and it only becomes a problem to you if you poke your head in. Beer and football will always go hand in hand, as will passion and as will having a laugh with your mates which can get out of hand.. C'est la vie. Making mountains out of molehills here, we've all had messy weekends down in Brighton. :- )
I can't see a single problem that has been raised on here that couldn't be easily solved by a bit of politeness, understanding and willingness to oblige on both sides. It's the fact that some fans believe their way is the only that makes this such an issue.
Having witnessed the beaviour of one youth on Saturday, I don't think you could be more wrong. The problem is there was no willingness to oblige and what does the old bloke sitting behind him do? Oblige by watching his back for 90 minutes?
It isn't about singing or supporting you team , but it is about basic respect - and it should be discussed in a forum. If anybody wants to defend poor behaviour/selfishness - well it is very sad.
Sorry but the example you've given proves my point. If there was willingness to oblige on both sides there wouldn't be a problem. If the two people in question had spoken politely to each other they could easily have come to an arrangement to swap seats. The older person can then respect the young person's desire to sing and the young person can respect the older person;'s desire to sit. I can't see how that can be wrong?
Alright Ghandi. Your logic and reasoning is lovely but you're assuming that both are reasonable and fair people - which in my experience of the Charlton away crowd is not a very safe assumption.
Ask a yoof if he has "a willingness to oblige" he'll probably think you're asking him to join you in the toilets for a quickie.
Not so sure about that. If someone asked me if I could sit down in an aggressive manor, I'd be less likely to comply, although if elderly I still would. If they asked nicely, I'd straight away move for them, no problems.
And no I don't fancy joining you in the toilet for a quickie. thanks
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
I can understand being embarrassed at the teams performance but embarrassed at the bar not being kept open after the game? Seriously?
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
I can understand being embarrassed at the teams performance but embarrassed at the bar not being kept open after the game? Seriously?
Yes , embarrassed . Leeds and Millwall have visited the stadium 3 times with no problems. One of the pleasures of supporting Charlton away is being able to walk around town and city centres and drink in most pubs without this type of hassle. One of the reasons I would hate to support the Spanners at an away game because it would be more restricted.
I went to a Rugby International at Twickenham a few years ago and the bars stayed open for around 3 hours to assist crowd control . I remember thinking how civilised this was compared to football matches where everyone crushes for the exit straight after the game. I used to like watching Cricket with a pint in my hand at Canterbury .
Brighton are making an effort since moving Stadiums to bring football watching into the 21st Century and trusting Football fans to enjoy the day out . Either support them in doing this and enjoy the facilities appropriately or accept that as spectators we will always be Cricket and Rugby's poor relations.
Think everyone should move on from this thread now. This thread alone is reason enough for other teams to call us trainspotters - I knew we had some boring, miserable fans but this whole palava has taken it to another level.
Biggest game of the season tonight n although we don't all see eye to eye for 90 minutes tonight we gotta get behind the boys and share a common goal. WACAW?
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
Last season many people complained that the game had been moved form the Bank Holiday Monday to the Tuesday night .One of the outcomes of last Saturday is if we do play the Seagulls again next season then I would be amazed if it would be on a Saturday at 3pm.
Agree and the sad thing is that some of our fans will be proud of this rather than ashamed. Being disrespectful to older fans doesn't mean you are big or clever, it means you are pathetic. If an old man asks you to sit down and you are 3 rows from the front you sit down - and that fact shouldn't even be being debated on here FFS, what sort of people are we now breeding in this country?
Ok we get it, you don't like young people.
Numerous people have said on this thread that if asked politely to sit they would either oblige, move, or offer to swap seats. Could it be that it's the stubbornness of people like yourself that can cause these problems to escalate?
If you really hate our fans that much, don't go. Or go and join the weirdos mingling with the opposition.
Think everyone should move on from this thread now. This thread alone is reason enough for other teams to call us trainspotters - I knew we had some boring, miserable fans but this whole palava has taken it to another level.
Biggest game of the season tonight n although we don't all see eye to eye for 90 minutes tonight we gotta get behind the boys and share a common goal. WACAW?
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
I can understand being embarrassed at the teams performance but embarrassed at the bar not being kept open after the game? Seriously?
Yes , embarrassed . Leeds and Millwall have visited the stadium 3 times with no problems. One of the pleasures of supporting Charlton away is being able to walk around town and city centres and drink in most pubs without this type of hassle. One of the reasons I would hate to support the Spanners at an away game because it would be more restricted.
I went to a Rugby International at Twickenham a few years ago and the bars stayed open for around 3 hours to assist crowd control . I remember thinking how civilised this was compared to football matches where everyone crushes for the exit straight after the game. I used to like watching Cricket with a pint in my hand at Canterbury .
Brighton are making an effort since moving Stadiums to bring football watching into the 21st Century and trusting Football fans to enjoy the day out . Either support them in doing this and enjoy the facilities appropriately or accept that as spectators we will always be Cricket and Rugby's poor relations.
But Rugby and Cricket have no soul and are footballs embarrassing little brother!
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
Last season many people complained that the game had been moved form the Bank Holiday Monday to the Tuesday night .One of the outcomes of last Saturday is if we do play the Seagulls again next season then I would be amazed if it would be on a Saturday at 3pm.
Agree and the sad thing is that some of our fans will be proud of this rather than ashamed. Being disrespectful to older fans doesn't mean you are big or clever, it means you are pathetic. If an old man asks you to sit down and you are 3 rows from the front you sit down - and that fact shouldn't even be being debated on here FFS, what sort of people are we now breeding in this country?
Ok we get it, you don't like young people.
Numerous people have said on this thread that if asked politely to sit they would either oblige, move, or offer to swap seats. Could it be that it's the stubbornness of people like yourself that can cause these problems to escalate?
If you really hate our fans that much, don't go. Or go and join the weirdos mingling with the opposition.
You don't get it because I like young people - I was one once and was no angel when I was young although I was taught to respect older people. I saw something on Saturday that made me angry so I am commenting on it. I have been supporting this club since 1975 and I am not going to be told not to go. The issue is, I don't have a problem with supporters making a noise or being a bit rowdy - I just don't see why that has to escalate to a point where older people and kids are disrespected and threatened or damage is caused.
I never went last Saturday and by the reports both on and off the pitch, I am glad I didn't.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
Last season many people complained that the game had been moved form the Bank Holiday Monday to the Tuesday night .One of the outcomes of last Saturday is if we do play the Seagulls again next season then I would be amazed if it would be on a Saturday at 3pm.
Everyone should be sitting down as that is the current regulation.
Ever driven above 30mph in a 30mph zone?
Yes, frequently but the point I was trying to make is that sitting down is the norm and if you are asked to sit down because you are blocking someone else's view then you should sit down. Not everyone is able to stand and you'll all be unable to stand one day.
Such an overreaction on here and frankly it is very embarrassing. Some people seem to just moan, moan, moan at everything- take a hit of poppers or something to so that you can release a wee bit of tension....
...ahh the old Charlton Life sitting versus standing argument. Like getting home after a long day and slipping into those favourite slippers you should have thrown away 6 months ago but they are just so lovely and comfy you can't help but carry on with 'em.
I can't see a single problem that has been raised on here that couldn't be easily solved by a bit of politeness, understanding and willingness to oblige on both sides. It's the fact that some fans believe their way is the only that makes this such an issue.
Having witnessed the beaviour of one youth on Saturday, I don't think you could be more wrong. The problem is there was no willingness to oblige and what does the old bloke sitting behind him do? Oblige by watching his back for 90 minutes?
It isn't about singing or supporting you team , but it is about basic respect - and it should be discussed in a forum. If anybody wants to defend poor behaviour/selfishness - well it is very sad.
Sorry but the example you've given proves my point. If there was willingness to oblige on both sides there wouldn't be a problem. If the two people in question had spoken politely to each other they could easily have come to an arrangement to swap seats. The older person can then respect the young person's desire to sing and the young person can respect the older person;'s desire to sit. I can't see how that can be wrong?
Alright Ghandi. Your logic and reasoning is lovely but you're assuming that both are reasonable and fair people - which in my experience of the Charlton away crowd is not a very safe assumption.
Ask a yoof if he has "a willingness to oblige" he'll probably think you're asking him to join you in the toilets for a quickie.
Notice how its the (younger) people wanting to stand suggesting a solution, and the people want to sit calling people 'scum' and the like. one person devising a system to rate how superior he is to others... classy. id rather have the 'scum' who start fights than pompous twats like you!
The next away game we have where we take a large(ish) following - why don't the standers go towards the back of the stand and the sit down crew go to the front.
Forget your seat allocation, just go where you want.
This was the standers get to stand and the sit down crew get to sit down.
Everybody's happy, everyone gets what they want, there are no arguments and there are no stupid embarrassing threads on Charlton Life.
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If you're talking about the fight on the concourse at half time, then it's probably because it was hand bags and over in about 10 seconds. People around me just sort of looked at each other as if to say wtf was that about and then carried on drinking their pints. No one seemed to really give a sh*t.
I can see this A block thing being a total pain but a safe standing option (with a suitably low ticket price) would solve that problem in an instant. F*ck it...I might even join the A blockers behind the goal if we could all stand up!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26937454
Like the 30mph speed limit that often get ignored, having to sit down is one of them.
I have nothing against people wanting To sit and understand why they would, and if I was stood up near the front and was asked to sit then I would move, without doubt.
I can't see how that can be wrong?
Ask a yoof if he has "a willingness to oblige" he'll probably think you're asking him to join you in the toilets for a quickie.
Brighton are making a real effort with their Stadium after their wilderness years. Yes I know it is not central ,but it is right alongside a train station and access is reasonable. You just need to understand that it might be a ten minute wait . Keeping the bars open after the game is something that should dissipate the exit of fans and help with the crowd control .The fact that we are the first club not to have this in the 3 years the stadium has been open is embarrassing in my view.
Last season many people complained that the game had been moved form the Bank Holiday Monday to the Tuesday night .One of the outcomes of last Saturday is if we do play the Seagulls again next season then I would be amazed if it would be on a Saturday at 3pm.
If they asked nicely, I'd straight away move for them, no problems.
And no I don't fancy joining you in the toilet for a quickie. thanks
I can understand being embarrassed at the teams performance but embarrassed at the bar not being kept open after the game? Seriously?
Yes , embarrassed . Leeds and Millwall have visited the stadium 3 times with no problems. One of the pleasures of supporting Charlton away is being able to walk around town and city centres and drink in most pubs without this type of hassle. One of the reasons I would hate to support the Spanners at an away game because it would be more restricted.
I went to a Rugby International at Twickenham a few years ago and the bars stayed open for around 3 hours to assist crowd control . I remember thinking how civilised this was compared to football matches where everyone crushes for the exit straight after the game. I used to like watching Cricket with a pint in my hand at Canterbury .
Brighton are making an effort since moving Stadiums to bring football watching into the 21st Century and trusting Football fans to enjoy the day out . Either support them in doing this and enjoy the facilities appropriately or accept that as spectators we will always be Cricket and Rugby's poor relations.
Biggest game of the season tonight n although we don't all see eye to eye for 90 minutes tonight we gotta get behind the boys and share a common goal. WACAW?
Numerous people have said on this thread that if asked politely to sit they would either oblige, move, or offer to swap seats. Could it be that it's the stubbornness of people like yourself that can cause these problems to escalate?
If you really hate our fans that much, don't go. Or go and join the weirdos mingling with the opposition.
Forget your seat allocation, just go where you want.
This was the standers get to stand and the sit down crew get to sit down.
Everybody's happy, everyone gets what they want, there are no arguments and there are no stupid embarrassing threads on Charlton Life.
Simples........right??