Charlton head coach Jose Riga: "This was certainly not the Charlton we saw on Tuesday in our win against Yeovil. "But I knew before the game that we have spent a lot of hours travelling this week and that it would be difficult. "Yet I am not here to complain, I am just here to find a solution and we have to think that we are still able to find a way out of it." "We have spent a lot of hours travelling this week".............What the f*** is he talking about? I have heard some rubbish in my time but this takes the biscuit.
Charlton head coach Jose Riga: "This was certainly not the Charlton we saw on Tuesday in our win against Yeovil. "But I knew before the game that we have spent a lot of hours travelling this week and that it would be difficult. "Yet I am not here to complain, I am just here to find a solution and we have to think that we are still able to find a way out of it." "We have spent a lot of hours travelling this week".............What the f*** is he talking about? I have heard some rubbish in my time but this takes the biscuit.
Perhaps the coach driver took a wrong turn on the way to Brighton, Elf.
I commented on my perception of the game earlier. I fully accept if you paid good money to have watched it you have every right to be extremely pissed off. I get the frustration but I am not sure I have seen anyone suggest the performance was acceptable. All I have seen is a largely responsible reaction to a very disappointing and frustrating performance.
I can only draw on my personal experience at a much lower level of football, where these "end of season" run of games, no matter what is at stake, can catch you out. It is odd when you would always prefer playing to training, but over 2 games a week, week in, week out at a decent competitive level it is a struggle to maintain performance levels.
You prepare the same way, get in the right frame of mind but on the pitch for some reason neither the legs or the mental sharpness are what they need to be. From my limited exposure to players to have played at a senior professional level, their speed of thought/ reaction can be exceptional, lose focus for a split second, and the guy you are marking is gone, misread the pace of the ball and you are immediately closed down with nowhere to go.
If you are not on your game they can make you look very foolish very quickly.
Does recognising these things can happen mean I want to see, or would excuse a repeat performance on Tuesday? Certainly not - in fact the one comfort I can take is the players and management are on notice to make sure it does not happen again.
With the greatest of respect I am not sure Kermorgant would have made a shred of difference yesterday. With or without him we are/ were among the leagues lowest scorers. I really rated the guy but the man in his last 16 championship appearances for us scored just twice.
Much as I may wish he remained an option for us he is not. I think the conjecture as to why he is not has been done to death. I feel very comfortable the reasons he moved on had less to do with money and more to with the future of the then manager at the club. I personally consider any request for assurances in that area, though understandable, inappropriate and unreasonable (when it involved a significant financial commitment to 3 or 4 people).
As we now know that future was not to be and (quite apart from the club needing to write off a large portion of any financial commitment it had been made) you do have to wonder how such an independent spirit such as KMG may have responded in our new circumstances. Did he need to be replaced? Without doubt but they clearly found that more difficult than expected.
Where we are today is where we have been for most of this season. No matter the manager/coach in charge the inconvenient truth is 28 of the 44 full professionals under contract to the club will/could not be with the club within a few weeks. Of the 18 names on the team sheet yesterday 9 are in this position. Such position has never been and never will be helpful. That has little to do with the new owner. The endless speculation as what as what he might have been done in the transfer market during effectively 2/3 weeks in January is unrealistic
Despite the overall circumstances and the squad remaining unbalanced, a challenge it has tried to meet throughout the season, they have in recent weeks (not yesterday) shown sufficient spirit and enterprise to secure our Championship safety.
I suggest it is in all our interests to move on from yesterday and "grow a pair" and give the fullest possible support on Tuesday.
I'm not getting involved, move on it's done and dusted, what matters now is Tuesday night v Barnsley, probably as Carlsberg would say our biggest game in the World since he play off final. Get yourself down to the Valley if at all possible and you call yourself a Charlton fan to get behind the team COYRs
I am pretty sceptical about Roland Duchatelats ownership and execution of his strategy so far. The performance / result was poor yesterday.
It is the time for the supporters to be as positive as they can be (that includes me) and give the best support for the team for the last fixtures which will hopefully see Charlton safe. A debate now is not helpful.
There will be plenty of time to pick over the good and bad of the season (including the sale of KMG) after the season finishes.
If Brighton hadn't played Leicester during their promotion party, and had say lost, then there would have been real pressure on them, and it would have bee
Charlton head coach Jose Riga: "This was certainly not the Charlton we saw on Tuesday in our win against Yeovil. "But I knew before the game that we have spent a lot of hours travelling this week and that it would be difficult. "Yet I am not here to complain, I am just here to find a solution and we have to think that we are still able to find a way out of it." "We have spent a lot of hours travelling this week".............What the f*** is he talking about? I have heard some rubbish in my time but this takes the biscuit.
He thought Brighton was up north, as Dale Stephens left us to go back up north. It was only when the coach reached New Brighton that he realised they were at the wrong Brighton...
With half-decent players I'd be quite happy to see Riga in charge next season. They would be able to make the strange newfangled "passing" stuff happen and a good midfielder and striker or two would supply the end result. Jose Riga 100%. Well 95% then.
The BBC stats show we had not a single accurate shot at goal. A pitiful and hopeless performance, exemplified by the attacking free-kick when 2-0 down that went back to Hamer. Why did Riga take off a striker and bring on a defender after 65 minutes? If he is deliberately taking it easy, I don't like it - it's an insult to the integrity of the league and a slap in the face of our travelling supporters. I expect our manager and players to show some fighting spirit for a change.
It is not about being 100% Riga or 100% Duchatelet. Up to a supporter if they are but it is not the litmus test as to whether you are a Charlton supporter or not.
It is being 100% supportive to the Charlton team on the pitch. The supporters being united and giving full vocal support to encourage the team to get a good result on the pitch. Starting with Barnsley on Tuesday night.
At least there's a realistic chance of playing in the Champions League with Standard Liege. They're not going to get that at Stoke, West Ham etc....
Not so sure they'd be that impressed with a few games in the group stage before being eliminated. And the interest from the Prem could come from better clubs than you mentioned.
Crikey my sentiments when we stuffed them at the valley on boxing day.....it was only another off side goal that made it look respectacle that day....they are another deluded lot like watfords fans, never won anything but for some obscure reason think there great....they had there chance last season...and guess what palace thought they were the worst away team they played last season.
We desperately need a striker with strength who can hold the ball up. The only good things from the afternoon were the return of Solly and a chance to visit the best pub in the country - The Evening Star.
Agree with the evening star great little gem...but the basket makers arms in the north lanes is great also
Basically we were outclassed by a team who played simple but highly effective football, find space pass the ball repeated with a very good front line with pace and good finishing. Our defence which has played so well this season was made to look silly. If you look at the three goals, the attacker with the ball had all the space in the World, with plenty of red shirts around him watching. I felt sorry for Joe Piggott when Jose brought Church on, and for us supporters who knew what the inevitable putcome would be. Two games at home in four days now that will make or break our season. We have to do better than this.
We desperately need a striker with strength who can hold the ball up. The only good things from the afternoon were the return of Solly and a chance to visit the best pub in the country - The Evening Star.
Agree with the evening star great little gem...but the basket makers arms in the north lanes is great also
Both those pubs are good, we went to Lewes that also has some very good pubs with the ale in excellent condition in everyone we visited, definately the highlight of the day.
Brighton fully deserved the victory although we needed not to concede first and to do so in such an avoidable way was frustrating. Then we did have the chance to get back in it and hit the bar – to compound the damage they rushed to the other end and scored. I thought there goal was offside, but I was behind the goal so probably not best qualified. After that the game was gone.
What frustrated me was the unwillingness to have a shot – and two free kicks were wasted too. But, Brighton do attack with pace and purpose and when they click are not easy to stay with. Thought Cousins was terrific, but not many stand outs other than that. Our big game is tomorrow night – this was always going to be a bonus match that we were likely to lose. What is a positive is that we seem to be able to recover from these sort of defeats pretty well.
no surprise that we lost, just a concern that we are starting to leak goals .. is this because when we go behind, heads drop and the collective team bottle goes ? .. This happened at Donny, I have not seen it happen before or since this season, though during the cup 1/4 final we lost a lot of fight and purpose when going behind after being the better team up until that point
Technically quite a few of our attacking players have been found wanting. The passing style is definitely the way to go but it needs a focal point of a technically adept centre-forward.
I know some people get offended at his mention, but what a difference Kermorgant might have made in a game like today, especially now we are keeping it on the floor.
That would be a nicely balanced team IMO with energy, a bit of steel and some quality and creativity. Not quite a promotion contender but good enough to get us out of trouble fairly comfortably. Switch Kermorgant for Sordell/Church/Obika/Piggott and suddenly there is a fundamental weakness sticking out like a sore thumb.
That looks a good team fair enough but put in Jackson for Kermorgant and I don't see a problem Tuesday especially with Harriot, Sordell and Obika on the bench. 4-5-1 is the answer with the players we have...you know the ones that want to wear our badge That's a mid table team but we will "only" be 18th on Tuesday!
I don't think 451 solves anything right now. You're right, it's probably the best we can do with what we have, but it still leaves us lacking a target man type player who can compete physically with centre backs and hold the ball up to bring the midfield and other forwards into the game. That could have been Kermorgant and I don't buy the theory he wouldn't have stayed for the right offer and I don't accept we couldn't have and shouldn't have matched Bournemouth, but that is all water under the bridge. Whether it was Kermorgant or a new signing, we were desperately lacking a player that ilk today because every time the ball was passed forwards for Sordell and later Church it just came straight back to us and that just puts too much pressure on the midfield and defence.
I agree with you, and it is only back on Boxing Day that Kermorgant competed physically with centre backs and held the ball up to bring the midfield and other forwards into the game. . He terrorised Upson and co all game. Even by his standards it was a titanic performance. I think RD was there that day too, although I am not sure. Anyway within three weeks he was gone.
By no means do I think RD is all bad, but that was the decision of somebody who ought to seek more advice before implementing such personal and largely unproven theories at crucial times. I have come round to the view that his relationship with CP was unworkable, and so the change was inevitable, but selling Kermorgant was avoidable and may yet turn out to be the biggest mistake he has made.
Yann was holding the club to ransom, thats why he went, no one is bigger than the club! The bloke does not give a toss about CAFC.
bit late to comment but just watched the "high"lights on the Player and IMHO the 1st goal was not Hamer's fault, Poyet asked for the ball and Hamer obliged, when Poyet received it he had Dervite free to his left but tried to play himself out of trouble and lost out. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter as we would have lost anyway and I'm sure Diego has learnt a valuable lesson, so no harm done.
Sorry Lancashire Lad, but that is a complete load of tosh. I was behind the goal with a perfect view, it was Hamers fault without a doubt, with an assist by the statues in red shirts.
Sorry Lancashire Lad, but that is a complete load of tosh. I was behind the goal with a perfect view, it was Hamers fault without a doubt, with an assist by the statues in red shirts.
Were you standing or sitting?
If you were sitting you forfeit the right to express an opinion because you are not a "proper" supporter
Sorry Lancashire Lad, but that is a complete load of tosh. I was behind the goal with a perfect view, it was Hamers fault without a doubt, with an assist by the statues in red shirts.
Sorry Granpa, but you're wrong. Poyet most definitely did ask for the ball & that makes it his fault.
However, I feel that Hamer is also at fault, as he should have ignored Poyet & not given the ball to him.
Sorry Lancashire Lad, but that is a complete load of tosh. I was behind the goal with a perfect view, it was Hamers fault without a doubt, with an assist by the statues in red shirts.
sorry but the camera never lies, I suggest you look at the highlights and you will see Poyet asks for the ball, now maybe Hamer shouldn't have aceeded to his request but it was not entirely Hamer's fault.
and Granpa I don't talk tosh, I might have different view to you but it isn't tosh
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"But I knew before the game that we have spent a lot of hours travelling this week and that it would be difficult.
"Yet I am not here to complain, I am just here to find a solution and we have to think that we are still able to find a way out of it."
"We have spent a lot of hours travelling this week".............What the f*** is he talking about?
I have heard some rubbish in my time but this takes the biscuit.
I can only draw on my personal experience at a much lower level of football, where these "end of season" run of games, no matter what is at stake, can catch you out. It is odd when you would always prefer playing to training, but over 2 games a week, week in, week out at a decent competitive level it is a struggle to maintain performance levels.
You prepare the same way, get in the right frame of mind but on the pitch for some reason neither the legs or the mental sharpness are what they need to be. From my limited exposure to players to have played at a senior professional level, their speed of thought/ reaction can be exceptional, lose focus for a split second, and the guy you are marking is gone, misread the pace of the ball and you are immediately closed down with nowhere to go.
If you are not on your game they can make you look very foolish very quickly.
Does recognising these things can happen mean I want to see, or would excuse a repeat performance on Tuesday? Certainly not - in fact the one comfort I can take is the players and management are on notice to make sure it does not happen again.
With the greatest of respect I am not sure Kermorgant would have made a shred of difference yesterday. With or without him we are/ were among the leagues lowest scorers. I really rated the guy but the man in his last 16 championship appearances for us scored just twice.
Much as I may wish he remained an option for us he is not. I think the conjecture as to why he is not has been done to death. I feel very comfortable the reasons he moved on had less to do with money and more to with the future of the then manager at the club. I personally consider any request for assurances in that area, though understandable, inappropriate and unreasonable (when it involved a significant financial commitment to 3 or 4 people).
As we now know that future was not to be and (quite apart from the club needing to write off a large portion of any financial commitment it had been made) you do have to wonder how such an independent spirit such as KMG may have responded in our new circumstances. Did he need to be replaced? Without doubt but they clearly found that more difficult than expected.
Where we are today is where we have been for most of this season. No matter the manager/coach in charge the inconvenient truth is 28 of the 44 full professionals under contract to the club will/could not be with the club within a few weeks. Of the 18 names on the team sheet yesterday 9 are in this position. Such position has never been and never will be helpful. That has little to do with the new owner. The endless speculation as what as what he might have been done in the transfer market during effectively 2/3 weeks in January is unrealistic
Despite the overall circumstances and the squad remaining unbalanced, a challenge it has tried to meet throughout the season, they have in recent weeks (not yesterday) shown sufficient spirit and enterprise to secure our Championship safety.
I suggest it is in all our interests to move on from yesterday and "grow a pair" and give the fullest possible support on Tuesday.
It is the time for the supporters to be as positive as they can be (that includes me) and give the best support for the team for the last fixtures which will hopefully see Charlton safe. A debate now is not helpful.
There will be plenty of time to pick over the good and bad of the season (including the sale of KMG) after the season finishes.
It is being 100% supportive to the Charlton team on the pitch. The supporters being united and giving full vocal support to encourage the team to get a good result on the pitch. Starting with Barnsley on Tuesday night.
What frustrated me was the unwillingness to have a shot – and two free kicks were wasted too. But, Brighton do attack with pace and purpose and when they click are not easy to stay with. Thought Cousins was terrific, but not many stand outs other than that. Our big game is tomorrow night – this was always going to be a bonus match that we were likely to lose. What is a positive is that we seem to be able to recover from these sort of defeats pretty well.
The bloke does not give a toss about CAFC.
If you were sitting you forfeit the right to express an opinion because you are not a "proper" supporter
:-)
However, I feel that Hamer is also at fault, as he should have ignored Poyet & not given the ball to him.
and Granpa I don't talk tosh, I might have different view to you but it isn't tosh