Will be there on Tuesday with Junior - please, everyone, get down to The Valley and get behind the lads - really can make a difference. My singing voice for 'Valley Floyd Road' will not be pretty but I don't think I'll be on my own there!
Can't put my finger on "why" but for the first time this season ( in the league) I've left a game feeling totally down & depressed
It's called emotion. Tuesday was weird. Three, yes three, goals. Relief having won. An inner realisation that if we had lost, the table would look much worse. Hope. Light at the end of the tunnel. Realisation today just how fragile it all is.
I'm looking forward to Tuesday, but it is unlikely to be easy. It would be nice to fast forward to 9.30 on Tuesday having won 3-0, but it wouldn't be the same.
So so poor today. Can't honestly see us getting out of this mess. Toothless does an injustice to people with no teeth. Midfielders and defenders digging us out with a goal now and again is not good enough. The forwards, and I use the term loosely, are completely incapable of offering any kind of threat whatsoever to any defence in the league. I fear we've used all of our get out of jail cards and the decision to sell our most potent attacking threat will come home to roost on Tuesday night. We seriously do not deserve any better.
Thank god we had the good fortune to play Millwall, Leeds & Forest when we did - because other than these 3 results against terrible teams at the time (3 wins in 27 games between them at the time we played them) - I can't see that much has changed.
Riga's home record in his first 5 is exactly the same as Powell's in his last 5.
JR has faced 2 decent teams away from home out of 5 & lost both comfortably, CP was up against in-form teams in 4 of his last 5 away games.
First goal was schoolboy. A team in the bottom 4 all season does not deserve the right to play like Brazil 1970/1982. Two opportunities to clear it correctly, but Hamer was too cocky or sure that Poyet was going to get him out of the Shit. Wrong call, hairy one.
2nd goal, well 30 secs earlier it could have been level, but Shit happens. Second half was a non event. Roll on Tuesday and seven more points
Hmm, I've been to 4 away games this season, and 4 defeats. The last 3 (Leicester, Blades, Brighton) weren't even close.
Stupid first goal (Hamer's fault mainly for a daft pass), the second (after we had hit the bar) may have been offside, the customary Saturday third came while we were pushing (sort off) for a goal.
Brighton were very solid at the back, the sponsors gave their MOTD to Greer a defender, their defence nullified our attack.
A massive surprise to see Solly back, also a surprise that Obika and Petrucci weren't on the bench, so much for our new signings...
IF we can back this up with a win on Tuesday it won't matter but I really don't get the suicidal posts on here when we lose to sides in the top 6. The gap between top and bottom in this league is even wider than the prem.
Hmm.
We've beaten QPR, Brighton and Leicester this year.
Yet it always requires a lot more effort and luck from a lower league team to beat the higher teams in the Division and certainly doesnt help when were playing twice in a week every week plus those three teams could have just had a poor match themselves and we played them at the right time just as you can play teams at the wrong time when they're fired up (i.e. Brighton today chasing a play-off spot and on a high after thrashing the league leaders
Also another example is Oldham beating Liverpool in the FA Cup just once last season... just because they won that match doesnt mean (or give them the right to be like that every week else they'd be in the Premier League) and you hear about it after every giantkilling that the winners go on a bit of poor form after the win cos its taken it out of them
Thank god we had themm good fortune to play Millwall, Leeds & Forest when we did - because other than these 3 results against terrible teams at the time (3 wins in 27 games between them at the time we played them) - I can't see that much has changed.
Riga's home record in his first 5 is exactly the same as Powell's in his last 5.
JR has faced 2 decent teams away from home out of 5 & lost both comfortably, CP was up against in-form teams in 4 of his last 5 away games.
Oakster I see that but club owners often change managers when there is a winnable run of games coming up because something is not right behind the scenes and they want to bring in someone new who will enhance chances (not destroy value!). Some have posted the stats for the season...Powell six league wins from 30 and Riga four wins from ten. If he can take that to six wins then job done and we have a few winnable home games coming up starting Tuesday.
Millwall will survive, we need to get above Blackpool and some others
agree with that sadly , apparently scum battered watford and a standard millwall time goal to boot
We were shit today and i just can't believe we can keep upping our game for the next one, yet we still do with this win lose win lose run but i fear we may be running out of legs
great set of results for us today , totally ignoring the fact that palace are an eternity away from us in the football pecking order , at least it's not millwall and breathe .........
45% Championship football 55% Relegation heartbreak
0 percent relegation 100 percent survival even after an off day.Palace out of sight from us ? Are you sure ?! Due to a combination of being out on Saturday nights ,not bothering with MOTD generally and certainly not bothering with anything shown after 1 hour after the show has started ,but most importantly because they have hardly troubled the scoreboards very often ,I can genuinely say that I have not seen Palace score a single goal this season .i clearly need to keep getting out a bit more often ! COYR
Next season will be the 8th on the spin Palace finish above us ..... The last one we finished above them was the season we got relegated from the Prem ..... Pitiful... Since our relegation from the Prem , my watching of Motd has dropped and this season with palace in the Prem Motd has been completely blanked
Just seen Brighton's second on FLS. Slowed it down and paused it as the critical moment of the pass. The decision was marginal and I don't know what all the fuss was about. One of those that as a neutral you'd say the striker "should get the benefit of the doubt".
Wiggins was nowhere near playing Ulloa onside, either.
That really was an abject performance. I don't really understand but we were awful in all aspects really. Poyet played ok but it was his mistake for the first goal. I thought Chris Solly was outstanding when he came on. He really showed his class above every other Charlton player on the pitch. But, I believe it was his header error which gifted them their 3rd goal but I may be mistaken because it was at the other end. Wilson definitely plays better at RM as I thought he had an awful first half at RB but improved when he had Solly behind him. Maybe his headgear was affecting him a bit.
Not one player was to blame really. I thought they were all just off today. No penetration. Too much sideways passing. No killer through balls. Their keeper didn't have to make one save of note that I can remember.
Generally a blah day and it's on performances like that that show why we are in the position that we're in.
Cliché alert. Good Day spoilt by a game of football. We were poor. No one to put a foot on the ball, look around, think who to pass to. Shocking first goal, second maybe or maybe not offside but play to the whistle, third started when Solly kicked it to their bloke.
Obviously a disappointing defeat which hits the goal difference and we could have certainly done without the last gasp Millwall equaliser but overall with none of the bottom teams winning it could have been a lot worse. A win on Tuesday should knock Barnsley & Yeovil more or less out of it and we will then have to finish above one of the others. Going to be very nervy on Tuesday but we should still survive from here.
Glad I didn't have the chance to view that stream then.
I was however absolutely gobsmacked to hear Chris Solly coming on. Don't get me wrong, it was the best news of the day, but where did he come from? Two days ago there were people circulating the rumour he's finished, and even @Plaaayer claiming he can't train two days in a row without pain. Instead they are confident enough to bring him on without even giving him a run out in the U21's. That seems to me to defy all the conventions of rehabilitation.
Well good luck Chris, we need you badly, and I hope this means you continue to have the career in the game you so richly deserve.
Technically quite a few of our attacking players have been found wanting. The passing style is definitely the way to go but it needs a focal point of a technically adept centre-forward.
I know some people get offended at his mention, but what a difference Kermorgant might have made in a game like today, especially now we are keeping it on the floor.
That would be a nicely balanced team IMO with energy, a bit of steel and some quality and creativity. Not quite a promotion contender but good enough to get us out of trouble fairly comfortably. Switch Kermorgant for Sordell/Church/Obika/Piggott and suddenly there is a fundamental weakness sticking out like a sore thumb.
That looks a good team fair enough but put in Jackson for Kermorgant and I don't see a problem Tuesday especially with Harriot, Sordell and Obika on the bench. 4-5-1 is the answer with the players we have...you know the ones that want to wear our badge That's a mid table team but we will "only" be 18th on Tuesday!
I don't think 451 solves anything right now. You're right, it's probably the best we can do with what we have, but it still leaves us lacking a target man type player who can compete physically with centre backs and hold the ball up to bring the midfield and other forwards into the game. That could have been Kermorgant and I don't buy the theory he wouldn't have stayed for the right offer and I don't accept we couldn't have and shouldn't have matched Bournemouth, but that is all water under the bridge. Whether it was Kermorgant or a new signing, we were desperately lacking a player that ilk today because every time the ball was passed forwards for Sordell and later Church it just came straight back to us and that just puts too much pressure on the midfield and defence.
I agree with you, and it is only back on Boxing Day that Kermorgant competed physically with centre backs and held the ball up to bring the midfield and other forwards into the game. . He terrorised Upson and co all game. Even by his standards it was a titanic performance. I think RD was there that day too, although I am not sure. Anyway within three weeks he was gone.
By no means do I think RD is all bad, but that was the decision of somebody who ought to seek more advice before implementing such personal and largely unproven theories at crucial times. I have come round to the view that his relationship with CP was unworkable, and so the change was inevitable, but selling Kermorgant was avoidable and may yet turn out to be the biggest mistake he has made.
The travelling fans were let down... Brighton hardly battered us! We has no fight - maybe the focus is on Tuesday but you have to play a game at a time - I sat with many angry fans who were fed up with our lack of offence.. Sordell spent more time on the floor - overall, a very weak and toothless display.
Said it all along and still believe the Management and players have been holding back for the more 'winnable' games.
Whether planned or not that's the way it comes across physically and mentally in our performances
It's such a risky game that. We've all had a moan about Wigan resting players against Millwall but I wonder how those teams competing with Burnley, Derby, Reading and Brighton feel about us throwing in the towel.
One more thing on yesterday as well. I do wonder if we even scout the opposition sometimes too. Brighton killed us down the flanks yesterday and kept beating Wilson all but once. Might explain why Solly came on. I worry that we're rushing him back though.
I am so frustrated. I am so angry. I am so in despair. Yes, I went to the Amex - I should have known better. The fans should've been informed by the Club that we were wasting our time and money by turning up - the team didn't turn up, that's for sure. Astrit on the left wing barely involved, and substituted soon after break. Reza a lightweight and "bottler" and complete nonentity. Sordell a player with the touch of a dustbin. And later Harriott, confidence already shot to pieces and too painful to watch, and Church, the mechanical runner far more suited to today's Marathon than a football pitch. Sure, a combination of Hamer, Morrison and Poyet gifted Brighton the first goal early on - and conceding a goal was always going to be the killer blow. The facts stare you in the face - we are pathetic up front. Does a blindfolded Riga stick a pin in a list of the forward's names? Probably! He could do no worse than play rookie Piggot with an unfit Obika on Tuesday night. We just may con Barnsley into believing we have a couple of forwards worth marking. Few consolations: Good to see Solly back, and a good shift from both Jackson and Cousins. Finally, for all the who love to sing "Jose Riga's red and white army" - please get a reality check!
I am so frustrated. I am so angry. I am so in despair. Yes, I went to the Amex - I should have known better. The fans should've been informed by the Club that we were wasting our time and money by turning up - the team didn't turn up, that's for sure. Astrit on the left wing barely involved, and substituted soon after break. Reza a lightweight and "bottler" and complete nonentity. Sordell a player with the touch of a dustbin. And later Harriott, confidence already shot to pieces and too painful to watch, and Church, the mechanical runner far more suited to today's Marathon than a football pitch. Sure, a combination of Hamer, Morrison and Poyet gifted Brighton the first goal early on - and conceding a goal was always going to be the killer blow. The facts stare you in the face - we are pathetic up front. Does a blindfolded Riga stick a pin in a list of the forward's names? Probably! He could do no worse than play rookie Piggot with an unfit Obika on Tuesday night. We just may con Barnsley into believing we have a couple of forwards worth marking. Few consolations: Good to see Solly back, and a good shift from both Jackson and Cousins. Finally, for all the who love to sing "Jose Riga's red and white army" - please get a reality check!
Yeah fans getting behind their team and manager...what a bunch of wankers!!!
Total and utter garbage performance. Let`s not try and hide it with some bullshit! I am sick to death of watching this turgid, lame surrender at away games and loads of people saying how acceptable it is. That performance today was not acceptable and there is no way to gloss over it!
Exactly. Why the f*** people seem to accept you get nothing from teams in the top six is strange
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My singing voice for 'Valley Floyd Road' will not be pretty but I don't think I'll be on my own there!
I'm looking forward to Tuesday, but it is unlikely to be easy. It would be nice to fast forward to 9.30 on Tuesday having won 3-0, but it wouldn't be the same.
Riga's home record in his first 5 is exactly the same as Powell's in his last 5.
JR has faced 2 decent teams away from home out of 5 & lost both comfortably, CP was up against in-form teams in 4 of his last 5 away games.
Get rid of dead wood. The squad needs a lift with fresh, hungry players.
If we stay up, IMO we will, then I anticipate an eventful summer, with a new manager at the club.
2nd goal, well 30 secs earlier it could have been level, but Shit happens. Second half was a non event. Roll on Tuesday and seven more points
Stupid first goal (Hamer's fault mainly for a daft pass), the second (after we had hit the bar) may have been offside, the customary Saturday third came while we were pushing (sort off) for a goal.
Brighton were very solid at the back, the sponsors gave their MOTD to Greer a defender, their defence nullified our attack.
A massive surprise to see Solly back, also a surprise that Obika and Petrucci weren't on the bench, so much for our new signings...
On the bright side the Harvey's was very nice.
Also another example is Oldham beating Liverpool in the FA Cup just once last season... just because they won that match doesnt mean (or give them the right to be like that every week else they'd be in the Premier League) and you hear about it after every giantkilling that the winners go on a bit of poor form after the win cos its taken it out of them
Since our relegation from the Prem , my watching of Motd has dropped and this season with palace in the Prem Motd has been completely blanked
Jose Riga's getting to grips with South London fairly swiftly.
Wiggins was nowhere near playing Ulloa onside, either.
Not one player was to blame really. I thought they were all just off today. No penetration. Too much sideways passing. No killer through balls. Their keeper didn't have to make one save of note that I can remember.
Generally a blah day and it's on performances like that that show why we are in the position that we're in.
Onwards to Tuesday now. God, this is a slog. :-)
I was however absolutely gobsmacked to hear Chris Solly coming on. Don't get me wrong, it was the best news of the day, but where did he come from? Two days ago there were people circulating the rumour he's finished, and even @Plaaayer claiming he can't train two days in a row without pain. Instead they are confident enough to bring him on without even giving him a run out in the U21's. That seems to me to defy all the conventions of rehabilitation.
Well good luck Chris, we need you badly, and I hope this means you continue to have the career in the game you so richly deserve.
By no means do I think RD is all bad, but that was the decision of somebody who ought to seek more advice before implementing such personal and largely unproven theories at crucial times. I have come round to the view that his relationship with CP was unworkable, and so the change was inevitable, but selling Kermorgant was avoidable and may yet turn out to be the biggest mistake he has made.
Whether planned or not that's the way it comes across physically and mentally in our performances
One more thing on yesterday as well. I do wonder if we even scout the opposition sometimes too. Brighton killed us down the flanks yesterday and kept beating Wilson all but once. Might explain why Solly came on. I worry that we're rushing him back though.
Yes, I went to the Amex - I should have known better. The fans should've been informed by the Club that
we were wasting our time and money by turning up - the team didn't turn up, that's for sure. Astrit on the left wing barely involved, and substituted soon after break. Reza a lightweight and "bottler" and complete nonentity. Sordell a player with the touch of a dustbin. And later Harriott, confidence already shot to pieces and too painful to watch, and Church, the mechanical runner far more suited to today's Marathon than a football pitch. Sure, a combination of Hamer, Morrison and Poyet gifted Brighton the first goal early on - and conceding a goal was always going to be the killer blow. The facts stare you in the face -
we are pathetic up front. Does a blindfolded Riga stick a pin in a list of the forward's names? Probably! He could do no worse than play rookie Piggot with an unfit Obika on Tuesday night. We just may con Barnsley into believing we have a couple of forwards worth marking.
Few consolations: Good to see Solly back, and a good shift from both Jackson and Cousins.
Finally, for all the who love to sing "Jose Riga's red and white army" - please get a reality check!