Good input from all. To be honest I shouted and got angry when he wasn't taken off on Saturday. I said something like 'take Simon Church off he's shit' in frustration as the subs were made. Does that put me on level footing with a satsuma in intelligence, I don't know. Were the ironic cheers he got when he touched the ball twice in succession in the 1st half thinly veiled boos? The challenge I think he has is that due to many average to crap performances (in my opinion), if he makes a couple of mistakes early on, he's done for.
I don't think he'll play tonight, but can you imagine the reaction on here (and the other threads) if he scores:)
For me it will be about time, so I won't be eating any humble pie.
I have enjoyed the comments on this and the other threads so far.
Although I compelety agree with the centiment of 100% for any player and that getting on their backs will help no-one, this is easy when posting on a forum prior to the game, this gets harder and harder to do in the game with every poor piece of play from a player you dont feel should be getting picked - especially when it comes to his offside at the weekend.
Cant help but feel that if Sordell had been given the same blind support (from manager and fans) as church he would have a much better tally than church - although i dont think in the games he has had hes cut it.
Will be amazed if church starts and if he does will start with 100% support but if im honest it dont think it will take much for me to get on his back (rightly or wrongly)
100% support as anything else can not help the player or team to play well. I often forget that he is a relative youngster and expect more from him as he plays for Wales. Still a work in progress.
100% He is a great athlete, who works hard. He doesn't get many chances making the criticism unfair in my book. Stick with him, he will come good. Rather have him in the team than Green.
Don't like giving grief too our own players, particularly when, for effort at least, they can't be faulted. If Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Djimi Traore, Amdy Faye and so on had put in the same amount of effort as Church does then we might still be a Premier League club.
Similarly, when we had the likes of Francis, McCormack and Mooney, all of whom were rubbish for us, I didn't think it was right to boo them because it wasn't their fault that they were the best we could afford.
Putting aside the rights and wrongs of it, it's so utterly counter-productive getting on your own players backs as it adversely affects their performance. The Simon Francis who played against us for Bournemouth the other week looked a whole lot better than the one who turned out for us - wonder if that's got anything to do with not having his own supporter's constantly telling him how crap he is.
It's a forum, everyone should say what they think. At the ground however, he's one of ours, and though I understand the frustration, the sort of Planks I saw against Burnley, wearing Charlton shirts and just abusing Charlton players, makes me despair. Why criticize Church when your own actions actively help the opposition?
As long as he wears a Charlton shirt and on the pitch, 100% support. No booing or slagging off while trying. After the game, then it depends how he did.
Agree...it's not his fault his playing, the manager picks the team.....better to save the slagging off for after the game.
Dr Kish claiming he confronted Riga before the game as annoyed to be left out of the 18. Bless.
"Look Riga mate, have you seen CharltonLife today? They have 100% support in me. Those guys never get it wrong.."
No way, as if Riga would ignore the tactical nous of CharltonLife.
He doesn't strike me as the sort of player who would do that. I think he knows his performances have been poor this season, certainly not good enough to confront the manager on not starting. He definitely knew he had a poor game on sat. How does Dr Kish know this?
Dr Kish claiming he confronted Riga before the game as annoyed to be left out of the 18. Bless.
"Look Riga mate, have you seen CharltonLife today? They have 100% support in me. Those guys never get it wrong.."
No way, as if Riga would ignore the tactical nous of CharltonLife.
He doesn't strike me as the sort of player who would do that. I think he knows his performances have been poor this season, certainly not good enough to confront the manager on not starting. He definitely knew he had a poor game on sat. How does Dr Kish know this?
Yeah, that was tongue in cheek - taking the p!ss a little because I can't see him being the sort to do that either.
He seems to be a good honest pro who would be able to accept that sometimes you're just not well suited to the team and/or you're simply not good enough for a given situation.
"Confronted" in itself could be taken as aggressive: "Why the f*ck aren't I playing? I go out there and put in a solid 90 minutes of effort every game and run my legs in to the ground. I try and play to the team and provide some link up, and if this is because of the Reading match then what was I meant to do? It's hardly like I was missing chance after chance.". He could even have asked why Thuram managed to be on the bench when he wasn't; which would be fair.
Equally so though, it could mean "I just want to know why I can't make the team but Marvin is starting; I've played more and the last gaffer didn't play him so much as the fans complained about his work-rate and got on his back. I'm really am trying and mean what I said in that interview, but is there anything else I can do?".
Arguably both situations are "confrontations" - but one is greatly more admirable than the other.
If he did confront Riga, and if it was aggressive, not only would I be surprised - but I'd be quite concerned at the timing of this. Combined with Thuram, it would suggest there may be some conflict and tension bubbling up. Something which seems unlikely considering how we're playing at the moment though.
I'll support him on the pitch, but like others it can be frustrating to watch him play. Unlike some I've never seen him as lazy (have missed a lot of games this year though), just sadly struggling at this level. He needs our support like any other player on the pitch tho.
So, bearing in mind that Simon Church only has one year left on his contract, should Charlton offer him a new one, so as not to be left in a situation where he can walk away on a free for nothing at the end of next season?
So, bearing in mind that Simon Church only has one year left on his contract, should Charlton offer him a new one, so as not to be left in a situation where he can walk away on a free for nothing at the end of next season?
So, bearing in mind that Simon Church only has one year left on his contract, should Charlton offer him a new one, so as not to be left in a situation where he can walk away on a free for nothing at the end of next season?
Na this time next year we will be a prem team, let him go ;-)
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I don't think he'll play tonight, but can you imagine the reaction on here (and the other threads) if he scores:)
For me it will be about time, so I won't be eating any humble pie.
I have enjoyed the comments on this and the other threads so far.
Cant help but feel that if Sordell had been given the same blind support (from manager and fans) as church he would have a much better tally than church - although i dont think in the games he has had hes cut it.
Will be amazed if church starts and if he does will start with 100% support but if im honest it dont think it will take much for me to get on his back (rightly or wrongly)
He is a great athlete, who works hard. He doesn't get many chances making the criticism unfair in my book.
Stick with him, he will come good.
Rather have him in the team than Green.
100% yeh!
Build a banner
Put Churchy at the top
Put Jose in the middle
And sit in A block
No way, as if Riga would ignore the tactical nous of CharltonLife.
He seems to be a good honest pro who would be able to accept that sometimes you're just not well suited to the team and/or you're simply not good enough for a given situation.
"Confronted" in itself could be taken as aggressive: "Why the f*ck aren't I playing? I go out there and put in a solid 90 minutes of effort every game and run my legs in to the ground. I try and play to the team and provide some link up, and if this is because of the Reading match then what was I meant to do? It's hardly like I was missing chance after chance.". He could even have asked why Thuram managed to be on the bench when he wasn't; which would be fair.
Equally so though, it could mean "I just want to know why I can't make the team but Marvin is starting; I've played more and the last gaffer didn't play him so much as the fans complained about his work-rate and got on his back. I'm really am trying and mean what I said in that interview, but is there anything else I can do?".
Arguably both situations are "confrontations" - but one is greatly more admirable than the other.
If he did confront Riga, and if it was aggressive, not only would I be surprised - but I'd be quite concerned at the timing of this. Combined with Thuram, it would suggest there may be some conflict and tension bubbling up. Something which seems unlikely considering how we're playing at the moment though.
However it's all conjecture, we'll never know.
Which is obviously a big fat no
So easy to say now that we should let Simon Church go, but not if it means we've got Simon Le Bon playing up front instead.
Is it stuck in a hole ?
Thats a churchy