Could be lots of families have thought "what a bargain, we haven't got a team we support but Charlton is nearby and we can go straight to the Valley after the children's ballet lessons in the morning".
And if the block is sold out then the singers won't be able to congregate together. Could be a lot of Siddaaaan.
And isn't there a disabled section at the back of block A (or it is B?). mIght not be able to stand in front of them.
unforeseen consequences, don't you just love them : - )
Adult season ticket at Dartford - £135.00
Adult Season ticket at Charlton - £150 or £135 if you join valley gold!
To police the issue of people going to the wrong block...the stewards will have to enforce this at the entrances. maybe the tickets will be colour coded so they can just eyeball the ticket rather than look in detail at everybodys seat number - or give people wristbands like at a concert! Some people will always try and fiddle the system and will just go in the correct entrance and move along through the blocks but that should deter a fair few...
If it is people in block A they can just take them off.
If it is the rest of the East stand then "why do I have to wear this poxy wrist band to sit in my own seat?"
as you say people will either walk along the walkway at the back of the stand or through the seats and there is nothing the club can do without incurring more costs ie more stewards, more gates/fences, wrist bands, etc and that just isn't going to happen.
I don't see the need to change anything. I think it will work fine. whats the point of segregating home fans.. same as people who could buy a kids ticket when they are an adult. How do you stop that? I dont see the need to fix a problem that is not even there yet
To me it really is that simple! Better players and cheaper prices will add to the gate. Standing still will be a slow death. So I predict the former but with several bumps as we go - it's the Charlton way!
And yet the message coming from the owner, again, is that he wants to break even next season, as per the other thread. Even if next season's players are better value, it is unlikely that across the squad they will be BOTH significantly better players AND cost significantly less. There are only two ways that breaking even can realistically be achieved - slashing football costs by several million (from a starting point of approximately £5m) and selling players at a profit. Neither is consistent with driving commercial revenues.
I'm not saying that there are easy answers - far from it - but it's sheer fantasy to believe you are going to get a significant increase in ticket revenue with a significantly cheaper squad in the short term.
Could be lots of families have thought "what a bargain, we haven't got a team we support but Charlton is nearby and we can go straight to the Valley after the children's ballet lessons in the morning".
And if the block is sold out then the singers won't be able to congregate together. Could be a lot of Siddaaaan.
And isn't there a disabled section at the back of block A (or it is B?). mIght not be able to stand in front of them.
unforeseen consequences, don't you just love them : - )
I believe there are quite a few of the fans who go to most of the away games who are moving over to the A block and then there are some of the younger fans who sit in the North Upper who are moving over as well. Throw both sets of fans in together and you can pretty much guarantee an atmosphere -will- come out from A block regardless of whether they will be dotted about the block or not. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the noise from A block gets people from the rest of the stand joining in, the ones who would like to contribute to the atmosphere but don't because nobody around them joins in. I can't see the singers needing to congregate together as the East Stand will hold the noise in easily enough.
No I don't have access to info from the ticket office but I have seen discussions on one of the Charlton facebook groups and discussions on twitter where people I know who go to most of the away games and contribute to the atmosphere home and away are migrating to A block next season.
To me it really is that simple! Better players and cheaper prices will add to the gate. Standing still will be a slow death. So I predict the former but with several bumps as we go - it's the Charlton way!
And yet the message coming from the owner, again, is that he wants to break even next season, as per the other thread. Even if next season's players are better value, it is unlikely that across the squad they will be BOTH significantly better players AND cost significantly less. There are only two ways that breaking even can realistically be achieved - slashing football costs by several million (from a starting point of approximately £5m) and selling players at a profit. Neither is consistent with driving commercial revenues.
I'm not saying that there are easy answers - far from it - but it's sheer fantasy to believe you are going to get a significant increase in ticket revenue with a significantly cheaper squad in the short term.
I agree and have posted on the other thread. The Trust forecast a loss of £5M this season back in October(?) and that was before the sales of Kermorgant and Stephens (£1M?) and the cup run (£1M confirmed by CAFC). When one takes off depreciation and academy to get the FFP result then perhaps we are looking at £1M loss - this would have been a break even if we had beaten Sheffield United and earned an additional £1.4M TV, prize and gate monies - that is just how close we were to attaining the impossible - one win plus redefine the terms of reference and Duchatelet was there in just 6 months. After the previous owners had to limp away as they couldn't afford to play!
So tight, focussed questions need to be asked about what does "breakeven" mean. FFP breakeven will be releatively simple to achieve. And losing £1M is simply not materially different from break even.
On the other hand I think that you and I agree that the only way to develop commercial and attendance revenues it to get to the right end of the table. We have no idea of: 1) What this might cost (less the inevitable departures) 2) Does Duchatelet have the expertise available to sign the right players - acquisition has been mixed so far! 3) Who is really making the squad decisions at CAFC
Before anyone concludes I am a Duchatelet / Liege fan I am simply saying what is possible / out there. Will Duchatelet be able to deliver strategy and execution? And is he as focussed on getting into the top six as I (we?) would like him to be? Absolutely no idea! But we will know more by the start of next season.
Like Prague, I think your assumptions for 2013/14 are wildly optimistic, while references to the FFP add-backs are irrelevant to the real issue of sustainability.
But to take the single issue of Kermorgant and Stephens, their transfer fees are one-off payments that sit outside the operating loss, as you will appreciate. They don't help balance the books in 2014/15.
The saving of five months salary will be reflected in the 2013/14 accounts, so the net saving year on year in 2014/15 will be seven months - a useful sum, but nothing like £1m even over a full year. And the cost of any replacements, unless we are to rely on volunteers, must be set against that.
Like Prague, I think your assumptions for 2013/14 are wildly optimistic, while references to the FFP add-backs are irrelevant to the real issue of sustainability.
But to take the single issue of Kermorgant and Stephens, their transfer fees are one-off payments that sit outside the operating loss, as you will appreciate. They don't help balance the books in 2014/15.
The saving of five months salary will be reflected in the 2013/14 accounts, so the net saving year on year in 2014/15 will be seven months - a useful sum, but nothing like £1m even over a full year. And the cost of any replacements, unless we are to rely on volunteers, must be set against that.
Spot on.
And we paid fees for Polish Pete and Reza and savings in YK and DS wages have to be weighed against wages for players loaned in (YTU, LN, AK, JO and DP). All in 13/14 but takes away from the guestimate of a £1m loss.
To the 204/5 can be added two capital projects in the pitch (600k + to £1m+) and the Sparrows Lane build (total CAFC contribution not known due to Football Foundation and CACT funding but stated two years ago as £2m. Unlikely all of this would be spent over one financial year.
I've always preferred a side-on view of the games (had ST in both east and west-upper in the past), but finances in recent years have meant sourcing out the cheapest seats available, hence moving to north-upper. So this option is a win win for me...................
Can't wait for next season. This is so exciting. Moving to a new area. Close to the away support. I feel like a pioneer or is that a pie and mash. Anyway, I hope A Block is all singing, all dancing. Yeh har! Put the wagons in a circle boys, the rest of East Stand are lobbying their flasks and blankets at us!
I've always preferred a side-on view of the games (had ST in both east and west-upper in the past), but finances in recent years have meant sourcing out the cheapest seats available, hence moving to north-upper. So this option is a win win for me...................
Not for the rest of us who have to share a stand with you it's not : - )
Seriously, pleased to have you back. No arguing that the £150 tickets are a good thing for individual fans
This will cause no end of aggro (Charlton style). If I did not have a 5 year season ticket and have my 8 and 4 year old with me, I would be buying one of these tickets, and then promptly sit in any other block in the ground. I know of people who have used Covered Season Tickets for the West this season so the club can dream on if they think that in a ground that has at least 10,000 spare seats most games it will be able to police this correctly.
Some weird price differentials and while the East Stand has attracted the headlines, there are some real bargains in the relatively empty Upper West. Blocks K and Q, which aren't even at the end, are cheaper than the whole of the North and NW stands, so why would anyone want to sit in the NW corner? Block K isn't even near those whiffy away fans!
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
Some weird price differentials and while the East Stand has attracted the headlines, there are some real bargains in the relatively empty Upper West. Blocks K and Q, which aren't even at the end, are cheaper than the whole of the North and NW stands, so why would anyone want to sit in the NW corner? Block K isn't even near those whiffy away fans!
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
In readiness for Crossbars initiative mark II 2014/2015 season :-0
Some weird price differentials and while the East Stand has attracted the headlines, there are some real bargains in the relatively empty Upper West. Blocks K and Q, which aren't even at the end, are cheaper than the whole of the North and NW stands, so why would anyone want to sit in the NW corner? Block K isn't even near those whiffy away fans!
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
Jeez, of course they do.
They want to ship fans out of The Covered End (upper) to make room for the prawn sandwich/Crossbars brigade.
Some weird price differentials and while the East Stand has attracted the headlines, there are some real bargains in the relatively empty Upper West. Blocks K and Q, which aren't even at the end, are cheaper than the whole of the North and NW stands, so why would anyone want to sit in the NW corner? Block K isn't even near those whiffy away fans!
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
Jeez, of course they do.
They want to ship fans out of The Covered End (upper) to make room for the prawn sandwich/Crossbars brigade.
You'll never take me alive !
Will the Covered End be full of Thermos Flasks, driven out from the East and West stands by all those yobby Upper Northers who've invaded the rest of the ground :-)
We're the K block, the K block, the K block Upper West...
That's some Block A profile developing here, yobby, out of work, non prescription paying, tight, seat dodging, Wilson and Hamer moaning, dressed in black, singing, lad. Wow I only meet four of that criteria.............wonder if they'll review my application :-0
That's some Block A profile developing here, yobby, out of work, non prescription paying, tight, seat dodging, Wilson and Hamer moaning, dressed in black, singing, lad. Wow I only meet four of that criteria.............wonder if they'll review my application :-0
Some weird price differentials and while the East Stand has attracted the headlines, there are some real bargains in the relatively empty Upper West. Blocks K and Q, which aren't even at the end, are cheaper than the whole of the North and NW stands, so why would anyone want to sit in the NW corner? Block K isn't even near those whiffy away fans!
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
Jeez, of course they do.
They want to ship fans out of The Covered End (upper) to make room for the prawn sandwich/Crossbars brigade.
You'll never take me alive !
Will the Covered End be full of Thermos Flasks, driven out from the East and West stands by all those yobby Upper Northers who've invaded the rest of the ground :-)
We're the K block, the K block, the K block Upper West...
I hope not! I've already renewed and saved myself £150 for an excellent view from 'K'. I'm quite happy to have empty seats behind me as I can stand when I want (would be nice to have a few more singers tho')
Some weird price differentials and while the East Stand has attracted the headlines, there are some real bargains in the relatively empty Upper West. Blocks K and Q, which aren't even at the end, are cheaper than the whole of the North and NW stands, so why would anyone want to sit in the NW corner? Block K isn't even near those whiffy away fans!
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
Jeez, of course they do.
They want to ship fans out of The Covered End (upper) to make room for the prawn sandwich/Crossbars brigade.
You'll never take me alive !
Will the Covered End be full of Thermos Flasks, driven out from the East and West stands by all those yobby Upper Northers who've invaded the rest of the ground :-)
We're the K block, the K block, the K block Upper West...
I hope not! I've already renewed and saved myself £150 for an excellent view from 'K'. I'm quite happy to have empty seats behind me as I can stand when I want (would be nice to have a few more singers tho')
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Adult Season ticket at Charlton - £150 or £135 if you join valley gold!
Bargains don't you love em....
If it is people in block A they can just take them off.
If it is the rest of the East stand then "why do I have to wear this poxy wrist band to sit in my own seat?"
as you say people will either walk along the walkway at the back of the stand or through the seats and there is nothing the club can do without incurring more costs ie more stewards, more gates/fences, wrist bands, etc and that just isn't going to happen.
I'm not saying that there are easy answers - far from it - but it's sheer fantasy to believe you are going to get a significant increase in ticket revenue with a significantly cheaper squad in the short term.
Do you have access to info from the ticket office up in Burnley?
So tight, focussed questions need to be asked about what does "breakeven" mean. FFP breakeven will be releatively simple to achieve. And losing £1M is simply not materially different from break even.
On the other hand I think that you and I agree that the only way to develop commercial and attendance revenues it to get to the right end of the table. We have no idea of:
1) What this might cost (less the inevitable departures)
2) Does Duchatelet have the expertise available to sign the right players - acquisition has been mixed so far!
3) Who is really making the squad decisions at CAFC
Before anyone concludes I am a Duchatelet / Liege fan I am simply saying what is possible / out there. Will Duchatelet be able to deliver strategy and execution? And is he as focussed on getting into the top six as I (we?) would like him to be? Absolutely no idea! But we will know more by the start of next season.
It's soooo simple.
But to take the single issue of Kermorgant and Stephens, their transfer fees are one-off payments that sit outside the operating loss, as you will appreciate. They don't help balance the books in 2014/15.
The saving of five months salary will be reflected in the 2013/14 accounts, so the net saving year on year in 2014/15 will be seven months - a useful sum, but nothing like £1m even over a full year. And the cost of any replacements, unless we are to rely on volunteers, must be set against that.
And we paid fees for Polish Pete and Reza and savings in YK and DS wages have to be weighed against wages for players loaned in (YTU, LN, AK, JO and DP). All in 13/14 but takes away from the guestimate of a £1m loss.
To the 204/5 can be added two capital projects in the pitch (600k + to £1m+) and the Sparrows Lane build (total CAFC contribution not known due to Football Foundation and CACT funding but stated two years ago as £2m. Unlikely all of this would be spent over one financial year.
Simples : - )
Seriously, pleased to have you back. No arguing that the £150 tickets are a good thing for individual fans
It's almost as if they want to clear out the North Stand next season and have everyone watching from the sides!
They want to ship fans out of The Covered End (upper) to make room for the prawn sandwich/Crossbars brigade.
You'll never take me alive !
We are the A Block, we are the A Block, we are the A Block East Terrace
moresingers tho')moresingers tho')You unsociable git