I can't see Poyet making it at West Ham after the emergence of Oxford. It was going to be tough breaking into that midfield anyway but now it seems incredibly unlikely.
With the emergence of Reece Oxford I estimate that Diego Poyet is 1,284th in the pecking order for that midfield spot.
I can't see Poyet making it at West Ham after the emergence of Oxford. It was going to be tough breaking into that midfield anyway but now it seems incredibly unlikely.
With the emergence of Reece Oxford I estimate that Diego Poyet is 1,284th in the pecking order for that midfield spot.
Still a few places above Kasey Palmer at Chelsea then.
Poyet was great. He'd just started playing first team football and he settled into it so well. We threw him in and he took to it immediately and provided a platform for us to stay up. That was the point when he should have kicked on, and instead he chose to sit on West Ham's bench for a season and stall his progress. Silly boy.
Fair point about keeping us up. We were awful before he came into the team and looked nailed on for relegation, we owe Poyet for getting us out of a big hole. As for who's the best midfielder nobody rated Cousins above Poyet when they played side by side (not to say Cousins hasn't kicked on since).
Poyet was great. He'd just started playing first team football and he settled into it so well. We threw him in and he took to it immediately and provided a platform for us to stay up. That was the point when he should have kicked on, and instead he chose to sit on West Ham's bench for a season and stall his progress. Silly boy.
Fair point about keeping us up. We were awful before he came into the team and looked nailed on for relegation, we owe Poyet for getting us out of a big hole. As for who's the best midfielder nobody rated Cousins above Poyet when they played side by side (not to say Cousins hasn't kicked on since).
Ahem, Cousins got my vote for player of the year that season. Agree on the importance of Poyet's contribution though and thought he had the quality to do it at the next level.
I can't see Poyet making it at West Ham after the emergence of Oxford. It was going to be tough breaking into that midfield anyway but now it seems incredibly unlikely.
With the emergence of Reece Oxford I estimate that Diego Poyet is 1,284th in the pecking order for that midfield spot.
Still a few places above Kasey Palmer at Chelsea then.
Isn't Palmer a winger/striker? I see Chelsea are in for another winger...
Poyet was great. He'd just started playing first team football and he settled into it so well. We threw him in and he took to it immediately and provided a platform for us to stay up. That was the point when he should have kicked on, and instead he chose to sit on West Ham's bench for a season and stall his progress. Silly boy.
Fair point about keeping us up. We were awful before he came into the team and looked nailed on for relegation, we owe Poyet for getting us out of a big hole. As for who's the best midfielder nobody rated Cousins above Poyet when they played side by side (not to say Cousins hasn't kicked on since).
When they played "side by side", Cousins was always out on the right wing.
Poyet was great. He'd just started playing first team football and he settled into it so well. We threw him in and he took to it immediately and provided a platform for us to stay up. That was the point when he should have kicked on, and instead he chose to sit on West Ham's bench for a season and stall his progress. Silly boy.
Fair point about keeping us up. We were awful before he came into the team and looked nailed on for relegation, we owe Poyet for getting us out of a big hole. As for who's the best midfielder nobody rated Cousins above Poyet when they played side by side (not to say Cousins hasn't kicked on since).
Ahem, Cousins got my vote for player of the year that season. Agree on the importance of Poyet's contribution though and thought he had the quality to do it at the next level.
Easy to look back on Poyet and be influenced by the imperfect nature of his departure.
No idea if ability wise he has moved sideways or regressed, but for us, which is all i can judge him on, he was absolute quality, and played a massive part in us turning a corner in a difficult season.
I'll repeat the statbank records against him again:
Played 30 min+ = 20 A Top 3 mark = 17 MoM = 10
The quality and consistency in his performance was incredible
I am beginning to become a bit concerned for Poyet. Certainly his path to the top seems to have had its challenges. No doubt because of his parentage he will have received far more attention than most as he started to develop in the game. There are always pluses and minuses when following a famous father in the same sport.
Always touted as a talent in central midfield the club under Powell went through about 5 other players before giving him his chance in the first team. One of which was one of his peers, Cousins who was a converted fullback/ defender. The rumour he was held back because under S&J the club could not afford to pay him what he was due under the terms of his contract seemed very odd. Even if it were true, if offered the chance of first team football, why would you not waive/ defer part of the contract.
There is no doubt the lad has genuine ability. He is technically very good, has decent mobility and can read a game very well. He did an excellent job for us in centre midfield, showing excellent defensive qualities in a limited role. For me while he offers just a little more than Cousins "in that role" Cousins has shown he is capable of making an excellent contribution in a number of different roles.
Poyet, in half a season, established himself as a first team regular in a Championship side. He had the perfect opportunity to develop and grow in terms of both experience and developing his game with us, while still picking up a decent contract to give him financial security and an improved pay packet.
He chose to go for improved financial package and test himself with a bigger club, one that for all of its rhetoric no longer supports bringing through young players. It is a long time since the days of Ince, Cole, Johnson, Lampard and "Defoe". Only Noble and Tomkins have made the grade in recent years.
He chose to put himself in "a bigger melting pot" of those fighting to get a chance to play. It has not gone well and now 15months later it appears he is back where he started in having to prove all over gain he can establish himself as a first team regular in the Championship.
I see no reason why he cannot do just that but whether it will open the doors for him at West Ham, who appear to be scouring the land from Huddlestone to Barton to find yet more central midfield players, is quite another matter. Quite why they would pick the 16yr old Oxford in front of him is a puzzle but then that just seems to fit the Poyet profile to this point.
I still wish him well. I wish he had made different decisions but he still carries the label "made in Charlton".
Cousins and Poyet might not have been playing beside each other in central midfield but we could all see which player was the one who galvanised the team and turned the season. Cousins had a great year too but I wonder if those who voted for him were swayed by the Poyet's contract situation and the knowledge he was likely to leave?
Cousins and Poyet might not have been playing beside each other in central midfield but we could all see which player was the one who galvanised the team and turned the season. Cousins had a great year too but I wonder if those who voted for him were swayed by the Poyet's contract situation and the knowledge he was likely to leave?
Not so in my case. It was a very good performance by Poyet for not quite half a season (the half nearest the voting date for those with a short attention span) vs a steady performance for 47 games for Cousins and two very important goals. I voted for a Player of the Year award: not a Player of Four Months.
If at the end of 13/14 we could only have kept Cousins or Poyet, at the time, I would have chosen Poyet. I thought he was more valuable to the team. Either way, I'd say we've moved on from the whole issue fairly quickly. The hangover from Poyet leaving is negligible compared to the hangover of Parker leaving, in my opinion. For me, the disappointing aspect is the loss of 'what could have been', rather than the loss of what is/was.
If at the end of 13/14 we could only have kept Cousins or Poyet, at the time, I would have chosen Poyet. I thought he was more valuable to the team. Either way, I'd say we've moved on from the whole issue fairly quickly. The hangover from Poyet leaving is negligible compared to the hangover of Parker leaving, in my opinion. For me, the disappointing aspect is the loss of 'what could have been', rather than the loss of what is/was.
I do wonder if this year has affected his development. He was one, if not the, best player in our side for half a season. He played seven minutes of Premier League football and a couple of games on loan at Huddersfield. They didn't extend his loan and he was not even in their team by the end of the loan.
I was disappointed when he left (not angry) because I'd enjoyed watching him play. I'm not all that bothered about getting real money for players any more. We are the plaything of a multi-millionaire, that doesn't attend games, so there is no way to know what implication big transfer fees have on our squad, but I'm inclined to believe not very much.
If we'd sold Poyet next summer for £10m I don't, personally, believe we would have a bigger transfer kitty than his leaving for nothing (or a compensation package).
I thought he showed real promise and a maturity that most players don't have by the time they retire. I thought West Ham was a good club for him. I thought he'd play a bit. I don't follow West Ham so I don't know if they brought in many better players (Alex Song being one) of if Poyet was not as good as we thought but I do, now, wonder if he will ever see him achieve as much as I was convinced he would have done fifteen months ago. Time will tell.
I do wonder if this year has affected his development. He was one, if not the, best player in our side for half a season. He played seven minutes of Premier League football and a couple of games on loan at Huddersfield. They didn't extend his loan and he was not even in their team by the end of the loan.
I was disappointed when he left (not angry) because I'd enjoyed watching him play. I'm not all that bothered about getting real money for players any more. We are the plaything of a multi-millionaire, that doesn't attend games, so there is no way to know what implication big transfer fees have on our squad, but I'm inclined to believe not very much.
If we'd sold Poyet next summer for £10m I don't, personally, believe we would have a bigger transfer kitty than his leaving for nothing (or a compensation package).
I thought he showed real promise and a maturity that most players don't have by the time they retire. I thought West Ham was a good club for him. I thought he'd play a bit. I don't follow West Ham so I don't know if they brought in many better players (Alex Song being one) of if Poyet was not as good as we thought but I do, now, wonder if he will ever see him achieve as much as I was convinced he would have done fifteen months ago. Time will tell.
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No idea if ability wise he has moved sideways or regressed, but for us, which is all i can judge him on, he was absolute quality, and played a massive part in us turning a corner in a difficult season.
I'll repeat the statbank records against him again:
Played 30 min+ = 20
A Top 3 mark = 17
MoM = 10
The quality and consistency in his performance was incredible
I am beginning to become a bit concerned for Poyet. Certainly his path to the top seems to have had its challenges. No doubt because of his parentage he will have received far more attention than most as he started to develop in the game. There are always pluses and minuses when following a famous father in the same sport.
Always touted as a talent in central midfield the club under Powell went through about 5 other players before giving him his chance in the first team. One of which was one of his peers, Cousins who was a converted fullback/ defender. The rumour he was held back because under S&J the club could not afford to pay him what he was due under the terms of his contract seemed very odd. Even if it were true, if offered the chance of first team football, why would you not waive/ defer part of the contract.
There is no doubt the lad has genuine ability. He is technically very good, has decent mobility and can read a game very well. He did an excellent job for us in centre midfield, showing excellent defensive qualities in a limited role. For me while he offers just a little more than Cousins "in that role" Cousins has shown he is capable of making an excellent contribution in a number of different roles.
Poyet, in half a season, established himself as a first team regular in a Championship side. He had the perfect opportunity to develop and grow in terms of both experience and developing his game with us, while still picking up a decent contract to give him financial security and an improved pay packet.
He chose to go for improved financial package and test himself with a bigger club, one that for all of its rhetoric no longer supports bringing through young players. It is a long time since the days of Ince, Cole, Johnson, Lampard and "Defoe". Only Noble and Tomkins have made the grade in recent years.
He chose to put himself in "a bigger melting pot" of those fighting to get a chance to play. It has not gone well and now 15months later it appears he is back where he started in having to prove all over gain he can establish himself as a first team regular in the Championship.
I see no reason why he cannot do just that but whether it will open the doors for him at West Ham, who appear to be scouring the land from Huddlestone to Barton to find yet more central midfield players, is quite another matter. Quite why they would pick the 16yr old Oxford in front of him is a puzzle but then that just seems to fit the Poyet profile to this point.
I still wish him well. I wish he had made different decisions but he still carries the label "made in Charlton".
@diegopoyet7: @cafc_mad I will post the truth when I sign with a new club. Do not want to jeopardise myself before then.
I was disappointed when he left (not angry) because I'd enjoyed watching him play. I'm not all that bothered about getting real money for players any more. We are the plaything of a multi-millionaire, that doesn't attend games, so there is no way to know what implication big transfer fees have on our squad, but I'm inclined to believe not very much.
If we'd sold Poyet next summer for £10m I don't, personally, believe we would have a bigger transfer kitty than his leaving for nothing (or a compensation package).
I thought he showed real promise and a maturity that most players don't have by the time they retire. I thought West Ham was a good club for him. I thought he'd play a bit. I don't follow West Ham so I don't know if they brought in many better players (Alex Song being one) of if Poyet was not as good as we thought but I do, now, wonder if he will ever see him achieve as much as I was convinced he would have done fifteen months ago. Time will tell.