I don't see the problem with it ? being loaned a top clubs best fringe players is surely a good thing,even if some of our best get moved they are still in the network and can be moved back! We've always been a feeder club that's why we lost shelvey and jenkinson!
The interests of Charlton Athletic are now secondary to the wider interests of the 'network'. I think that this at least is something that we can agree on? This seems to have been made clear.
We can argue about feeder clubs and what this means in practice until we're blue in the face but this is a core principle with which I am deeply uncomfortable and I am personally surprised at the number of fans that are vehemently (almost aggressively) for it.
The interests of Charlton Athletic are now secondary to the wider interests of the 'network'. I think that this at least is something that we can agree on? This seems to have been made clear.
We can argue about feeder clubs and what this means in practice until we're blue in the face but this is a core principle with which I am deeply uncomfortable and I am personally surprised at the number of fans that are vehemently (almost aggressively) for it.
The interests of Charlton Athletic are now secondary to the wider interests of the 'network'. I think that this at least is something that we can agree on? This seems to have been made clear.
We can argue about feeder clubs and what this means in practice until we're blue in the face but this is a core principle with which I am deeply uncomfortable and I am personally surprised at the number of fans that are vehemently (almost aggressively) for it.
Wiggins long deal was to keep him in the stable as probably along with Solly the best player I expect
Sign good players to a long term deal=bad because we will just do it to send them to SL. Don't sign them =bad because we lose them. Give RD a chance mate. Have not been positive so far but you can't pick on everything he does.
Just because SL get into the Champions League doesnt make them a great club, it simply means that they won the league title of a very low grade average league.
Spot on. Everyone is talking about "a CL team". But what does that mean? Nothing. Just look at the results of the Belgian teams in the CL for the last 10 years.
Believe me. Charlton are down the same road as my team (Sint-Truiden). Doomed.
Oh. And about Reza. Wait until he thinks he's too good for Charlton...
Just because SL get into the Champions League doesnt make them a great club, it simply means that they won the league title of a very low grade average league.
Spot on. Everyone is talking about "a CL team". But what does that mean? Nothing. Just look at the results of the Belgian teams in the CL for the last 10 years.
Believe me. Charlton are down the same road as my team (Sint-Truiden). Doomed.
Oh. And about Reza. Wait until he thinks he's too good for Charlton...
Here we go folks, proof is in the pudding. Dreke may I ask how long RD has been in charge at STVV? And how you have been going in the league, do fans enjoy it?
Once we're in the Premier League (Don't laugh) we'll be taking SL's best players and they'll have our cast offs...
I doubt it.
Standard Liege fans very quickly gave Duchatelet a short sharp shock in what they view as acceptable and what they don't.
What is increasingly clear is that he won't be getting the same reaction here because our fans will be either too passive or divided.
Precisely. Too many interested in the next result rather than the club.
Also some obvious plants on here me thinks
By which I assume you mean anyone who thinks this is not an evil scheme by a diabolical mastermind to deliberately destroy the club we all love?
No I mean those that have joined very recently and arguing too pro RD
There's been a fair few signed on recently purely to insult RD too. Swings and roundabouts buddy. If the pro RD's are mere sheep, or planted to show an opinion not there own, then we should all unite and say 'okay, Kentred2' is the One True Fan. Quick, everyone agree with him, fetch the pitchforks, light the torches and let's go hunt down the evil Belgians.
"We [Charlton] will be a very realistic club in terms of what we spend," said Duchatelet.
"The aim is very quickly to break even, so the fans should expect us to sell players once in a while.
"We will not keep them forever because that's the priority of the way we can pay the bills at the end of the year."
Standard Liege's sports manager Jean-Francois de Sart - "The objective is to share the players. When a player not good enough for the first team needs some experience he can go to Charlton," de Sart said. "When we have a big talent of Charlton he can come also to Standard Liege."
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We have sold our two of our most expensive assets at the time, taking into consideration age, in terms of current value on fitness/form etc. Kermorgant and Stephens. Their prices will only dwindle the more they stick around us, they have proved their worth.
Our only paid money signing, we are not looking to play this season in the first team. For a team about to fall from the Championship, you do not essentially swap 2 key players to your team for a player who will not get a minute on the pitch. Also quoting RD, We [Charlton] will be a very realistic club in terms of what we spend, highlights where his intentions are. They are away from Charlton's current situation, they are firmly set on SL and his potential profit in the future. This is very unfair on paying fans.
Other signings, AA -quality player but unfit - the reason he is here, to get fit and up his game. Debatable? Perhaps not seeing as he is a loan. Thuram - liability and unorthodox for this league, needs a few years to settle into a Champ/L1 team. Koc - from reports seemingly no better than what is in our U21 team, needs time. I'll stop there.
Once we're in the Premier League (Don't laugh) we'll be taking SL's best players and they'll have our cast offs...
I doubt it.
Standard Liege fans very quickly gave Duchatelet a short sharp shock in what they view as acceptable and what they don't.
What is increasingly clear is that he won't be getting the same reaction here because our fans will be either too passive or divided.
Precisely. Too many interested in the next result rather than the club.
Also some obvious plants on here me thinks
By which I assume you mean anyone who thinks this is not an evil scheme by a diabolical mastermind to deliberately destroy the club we all love?
No I mean those that have joined very recently and arguing too pro RD
There's been a fair few signed on recently purely to insult RD too. Swings and roundabouts buddy. If the pro RD's are mere sheep, or planted to show an opinion not there own, then we should all unite and say 'okay, Kentred2' is the One True Fan. Quick, everyone agree with him, fetch the pitchforks, light the torches and let's go hunt down the evil Belgians.
Once we're in the Premier League (Don't laugh) we'll be taking SL's best players and they'll have our cast offs...
I doubt it.
Standard Liege fans very quickly gave Duchatelet a short sharp shock in what they view as acceptable and what they don't.
What is increasingly clear is that he won't be getting the same reaction here because our fans will be either too passive or divided.
Precisely. Too many interested in the next result rather than the club.
Also some obvious plants on here me thinks
By which I assume you mean anyone who thinks this is not an evil scheme by a diabolical mastermind to deliberately destroy the club we all love?
No I mean those that have joined very recently and arguing too pro RD
There's been a fair few signed on recently purely to insult RD too. Swings and roundabouts buddy. If the pro RD's are mere sheep, or planted to show an opinion not there own, then we should all unite and say 'okay, Kentred2' is the One True Fan. Quick, everyone agree with him, fetch the pitchforks, light the torches and let's go hunt down the evil Belgians.
That was a very intelligent post. Adds a lot to the debate
Standard Liege's sports manager Jean-Francois de Sart - "The objective is to share the players. When a player not good enough for the first team needs some experience he can go to Charlton," de Sart said. "When we have a big talent of Charlton he can come also to Standard Liege."
If they truly believe that bolded quote, they are in for a shock. They are either overrating the pull of the 'mighty' Standard Liege or have no understanding about the English game and it's young players.
Why should the best interests of the club and of the network be different? If one club has a training technique that is great, would it not better to learn from it? If economies of scale can be used to get us better deals or access to a wider range of scouting, will that not help? If players from the other clubs can improve us, is that not good? If the financial stability of the network allows us to keep a young player a season or two longer than they would have been able to - and we get a bigger transfer fee as a result - is that not all for the good?
The benefit of one club does not have to mean the detriment of another - quite the opposite.
I am not blind that there are risks in this, but RD has been incredibly open and honest about his vision (yet more hypocrisy from some who spent so much time under the old regime saying that all they wanted was the owners to talk to them, now RD is doing that and they moan!) and his basic principle of a financially stable club playing young players it has developed itself along with some loans/buys seems just like Charlton as I would like it to be.
the wheel may turn from Roland doing everything he can for some 2bob outfit in Belgium when(huge if now) CAFC get back to the Prem-----its then CAFC who are his top earners and where he could off load for a big profit. Say we are within a stones throw for the playoffs and the other mob are doing ok-ish its THEIR players who will be coming to us.
We have almost been here before--Boston Tea Men ---anyone ??? when we let two or three players go over there before the end of the season and then the wheels fell off with us having to get a point away at Orient last game of season.
Makes me laugh that people believe the daily mail over what they know and see with their own eyes. Let's see how we play tonight before we throw toys out of the pram. At last I've found this thread which highlights the truth. No CAFC players currently good enough for Liege. In January six players arrived some good and some not...I expect the new coaching team will know these players quite well and hopefully play the ones that strengthen the team tonight. I support Charlton not one player or any one individual and I really hope we get a result tonight and Saturday...because if we don't it ain't gonna be much fun as opportunists seek to leverage the anxieties of the fanbase. Change is painful and not always good at first but we need sober analysis not shagging tabloid leaders.
It doesn't seem at all likely that the present board want to use Charlton as a feeder club/dumping ground like some of the scare stories are saying at the moment. I don't think many of our squad, would be chosen to play for Standard but if some did go on loan then that would be fantastic for their development and I think our team will always need strengthening, so players will be welcome from Standard. A premier league club that is run properly will bring in substantial sums of money, and so I can see that Charlton, in time, could become the main focus of the group. What would be the point of weakening the club to make a League 1 future certain? Its terrible that Chris Powell has gone but the club is on a sound financial footing now and I can see that once we get out of this relegation fight then the future is bright. I think we are in a false league position which has no doubt be caused by the uncertainties of the last 4 months. I was going to boycott tonight's game as a protest but on reflection that seems a bad idea, so I will go and show my support for Chris. But once we've got tonight out of the way, I believe we need to get behind the club because we are Charlton. Owners, players, managers all come and go, we are always here.
I'm not too worried about the "feeder club" thing, as we'll benefit from some of their players as well.
What worries me is this idea that we will continually be bringing in loan players who are using Charlton to get back into Liege's plans or find a move elsewhere. They won't have the some connection to the club that the 'core' players have built up over the past few years.
You are missing the point it seems the board are picking the team regardless of form, ability and training performance. This means the players on the pitch are there for experience to make them better players for SL despite playing poorly. It seems as Long as the players are playing it doesn't matter how shit Charlton Athletic are doing.
But surely it's in his interest to have them playing in the championship, not League one? If the level of football is irrellevant, why buy us instead of a L2 team, which would be an option?
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Its something to do with the academy imo. He may have had à look around and thought this is à ready made academy for me. He seems a lot more interested in the youth set up than the first team.
On the face of it Chris Powell left, well was sacked (?), because of the footballing relationships and structures he would be obliged to work within were not ones he could stomach. If it is true that he was under pressure to play the players coming in against his judgement, then that sounds like one of the feeder club angles in the video 'if they are not good enough for SL, they can go to Charlton for the experience. I don't remember Chris loaning a player out and insisting he should play at that club. One of our loans to Notts County didn't play I believe, but Morgan Fox did, but that was the choice of Notts County, not Chris Powell. Neither was Chris obliged to play Marvin Sordell.
Then again maybe Chris wasn't being told who to play, the truth will eventually emerge.
With the exception of Danny Green we don't have anybody good enough yet to go to SL, but Joe Gomez is getting bigger, fitter, stronger and older. The street may be a two way one as described in the BBC piece, and in that piece we most certainly come over as being expected to be a feeder club to SL.
Anyway a lot of Charlton fans seem to be cool about being SL reserves, so it is not an issues for all.
Anyone not worried, look again at Atletico's post and the quote from Standard Liege's sports manager Jean-Francois de Sart. It seems quite straightforward to me. If any of our players are any good, they will be sent over to Standard, weakening our team. If Standard have players who they consider too crap to play for them, they send them over to us, where they have to be played, weakening our team.
What part of this shitty stick situation is too difficult for people to understand?
We are not CAFC any more, we are SLB - Standard Liege B team.
People don't want to understand it. Charlton is a big bit of their life and denial saves upset. I get it. I even get why this makes them angry with those that dent the perfect world they need.
Sorry but I didn't see Thuram in goal or Nego at right back tonight ...nor Koc nor polish Pete did I miss something or were they all being rested for Saturday. The only conspiracy going on is how to get the best out of the squad and secure three points. Oh and Poyet and Cousins were there but probably nipped off to catch the last Eurostar back to Bruges FFS
Sorry but I didn't see Thuram in goal or Nego at right back tonight ...nor Koc nor polish Pete did I miss something or were they all being rested for Saturday. The only conspiracy going on is how to get the best out of the squad and secure three points. Oh and Poyet and Cousins were there but probably nipped off to catch the last Eurostar back to Bruges FFS
According to some reports Alex Dyer picked the team tonight.
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We've always been a feeder club that's why we lost shelvey and jenkinson!
Standard Liege fans very quickly gave Duchatelet a short sharp shock in what they view as acceptable and what they don't.
What is increasingly clear is that he won't be getting the same reaction here because our fans will be either too passive or divided.
Also some obvious plants on here me thinks
We can argue about feeder clubs and what this means in practice until we're blue in the face but this is a core principle with which I am deeply uncomfortable and I am personally surprised at the number of fans that are vehemently (almost aggressively) for it.
Believe me. Charlton are down the same road as my team (Sint-Truiden). Doomed.
Oh. And about Reza. Wait until he thinks he's too good for Charlton...
"We [Charlton] will be a very realistic club in terms of what we spend," said Duchatelet.
"The aim is very quickly to break even, so the fans should expect us to sell players once in a while.
"We will not keep them forever because that's the priority of the way we can pay the bills at the end of the year."
Standard Liege's sports manager Jean-Francois de Sart - "The objective is to share the players. When a player not good enough for the first team needs some experience he can go to Charlton," de Sart said.
"When we have a big talent of Charlton he can come also to Standard Liege."
..
We have sold our two of our most expensive assets at the time, taking into consideration age, in terms of current value on fitness/form etc. Kermorgant and Stephens. Their prices will only dwindle the more they stick around us, they have proved their worth.
Our only paid money signing, we are not looking to play this season in the first team. For a team about to fall from the Championship, you do not essentially swap 2 key players to your team for a player who will not get a minute on the pitch. Also quoting RD, We [Charlton] will be a very realistic club in terms of what we spend, highlights where his intentions are. They are away from Charlton's current situation, they are firmly set on SL and his potential profit in the future. This is very unfair on paying fans.
Other signings, AA -quality player but unfit - the reason he is here, to get fit and up his game. Debatable? Perhaps not seeing as he is a loan. Thuram - liability and unorthodox for this league, needs a few years to settle into a Champ/L1 team. Koc - from reports seemingly no better than what is in our U21 team, needs time. I'll stop there.
Serve the best interests of the club?
Or the best interests of the network???
The benefit of one club does not have to mean the detriment of another - quite the opposite.
I am not blind that there are risks in this, but RD has been incredibly open and honest about his vision (yet more hypocrisy from some who spent so much time under the old regime saying that all they wanted was the owners to talk to them, now RD is doing that and they moan!) and his basic principle of a financially stable club playing young players it has developed itself along with some loans/buys seems just like Charlton as I would like it to be.
Say we are within a stones throw for the playoffs and the other mob are doing ok-ish its THEIR players who will be coming to us.
We have almost been here before--Boston Tea Men ---anyone ??? when we let two or three players go over there before the end of the season and then the wheels fell off with us having to get a point away at Orient last game of season.
At last I've found this thread which highlights the truth. No CAFC players currently good enough for Liege.
In January six players arrived some good and some not...I expect the new coaching team will know these players quite well and hopefully play the ones that strengthen the team tonight.
I support Charlton not one player or any one individual and I really hope we get a result tonight and Saturday...because if we don't it ain't gonna be much fun as opportunists seek to leverage the anxieties of the fanbase. Change is painful and not always good at first but we need sober analysis not shagging tabloid leaders.
Its terrible that Chris Powell has gone but the club is on a sound financial footing now and I can see that once we get out of this relegation fight then the future is bright.
I think we are in a false league position which has no doubt be caused by the uncertainties of the last 4 months.
I was going to boycott tonight's game as a protest but on reflection that seems a bad idea, so I will go and show my support for Chris. But once we've got tonight out of the way, I believe we need to get behind the club because we are Charlton. Owners, players, managers all come and go, we are always here.
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What worries me is this idea that we will continually be bringing in loan players who are using Charlton to get back into Liege's plans or find a move elsewhere. They won't have the some connection to the club that the 'core' players have built up over the past few years.
Its something to do with the academy imo. He may have had à look around and thought this is à ready made academy for me. He seems a lot more interested in the youth set up than the first team.
I don't remember Chris loaning a player out and insisting he should play at that club. One of our loans to Notts County didn't play I believe, but Morgan Fox did, but that was the choice of Notts County, not Chris Powell. Neither was Chris obliged to play Marvin Sordell.
Then again maybe Chris wasn't being told who to play, the truth will eventually emerge.
With the exception of Danny Green we don't have anybody good enough yet to go to SL, but Joe Gomez is getting bigger, fitter, stronger and older. The street may be a two way one as described in the BBC piece, and in that piece we most certainly come over as being expected to be a feeder club to SL.
Anyway a lot of Charlton fans seem to be cool about being SL reserves, so it is not an issues for all.
What part of this shitty stick situation is too difficult for people to understand?
We are not CAFC any more, we are SLB - Standard Liege B team.
Oh and Poyet and Cousins were there but probably nipped off to catch the last Eurostar back to Bruges FFS