Feeder Club

NWCorner

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

roseandcrown

NWCorner said:

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

No we are not a feeder club YET to them, however we are a nursery club for there cast offs.

NWCorner

roseandcrown said:

NWCorner said:

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

No we are not a feeder club YET to them, however we are a nursery club for there cast offs.

Those cast offs being AA, who everyone thinks should start, Reza who a lot think should start, Nego who did ok at Wigan and hasn't had a chance since. The only "cast off" we have a problem with is Thuram. If somewhere down the line we do become a feeder to a CL side we will probably be doing something right. At the minute we are a million miles away from that. Just my opinion.

kentred2

It has started dont you worry.

Wiggins long deal was to keep him in the stable as probably along with Solly the best player I expect

shine166

NWCorner said:

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

It doesnt happen overnight , but give it a season or 2 and things might change

tangoflash

It makes me laugh at the amount of people who assume that, if we have anyone deemed good enough for Standard, that they'll have no say in the move and will be just shipped around like slaves. Players sign a contract to a club, not a franchise. Yeah, they might be heading for the champions league next season, but England is still the place where most footballers want to play. If I were a young promising player, I'd rather be looking towards impressing a premier club enough to put in a bid rather than moving to a country where most of the teams in the top division are lower championship/ L1 standard. Apart from a handful of games in the CL (if they get picked) they'll just become forgotten men.......................

_MrDick

Once we're in the Premier League (Don't laugh) we'll be taking SL's best players and they'll have our cast offs...

thenewbie

If people think we are a feeder club, they are vastly overrating our players. Is Cousins likely to be Champions League quality? Not for a while. What about Poyet, Solly, Wiggins? No, no and no. They're at best Championship quality right now, they would only improve given playing time in a higher league - not relegated to being bench warmers at best over in Belgium.

That is why I disagree with this notion that we are just a feeder club, or somewhere for him to send cast-offs, as logically and financially there is no benefit to RD for doing this, and there is definitely no emotional attachment to football as he's proved many times over. He has something else in mind I think, though I don't know just what that is just yet.

NWCorner

thenewbie said:

If people think we are a feeder club, they are vastly overrating our players. Is Cousins likely to be Champions League quality? Not for a while. What about Poyet, Solly, Wiggins? No, no and no. They're at best Championship quality right now, they would only improve given playing time in a higher league - not relegated to being bench warmers at best over in Belgium.

That is why I disagree with this notion that we are just a feeder club, or somewhere for him to send cast-offs, as logically and financially there is no benefit to RD for doing this, and there is definitely no emotional attachment to football as he's proved many times over. He has something else in mind I think, though I don't know just what that is just yet.

Totally agree with this.

roseandcrown

NWCorner said:

roseandcrown said:

NWCorner said:

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

No we are not a feeder club YET to them, however we are a nursery club for there cast offs.

Those cast offs being AA, who everyone thinks should start, Reza who a lot think should start, Nego who did ok at Wigan and hasn't had a chance since. The only "cast off" we have a problem with is Thuram. If somewhere down the line we do become a feeder to a CL side we will probably be doing something right. At the minute we are a million miles away from that. Just my opinion.

AA is the only player that has come in a down anything in mind.

Reza has had a couple of shots and falling over. Nego at Wigan was rubbish although I dont think you can right him off one game.

Multi club owners makes me uneasy, it did at with Watford and it does with us.

StevieK

Completely agree with this - I just cannot understand people's logic sometimes. On the one hand they say that the players being loaned here are complete rubbish and not good enough for a team at the bottom of the Championship, and on the other they claim that these same players are being 'showcased' so that RD can sell them for untold millions!

shine166

tangoflash said:

It makes me laugh at the amount of people who assume that, if we have anyone deemed good enough for Standard, that they'll have no say in the move and will be just shipped around like slaves. Players sign a contract to a club, not a franchise. Yeah, they might be heading for the champions league next season, but England is still the place where most footballers want to play. If I were a young promising player, I'd rather be looking towards impressing a premier club enough to put in a bid rather than moving to a country where most of the teams in the top division are lower championship/ L1 standard. Apart from a handful of games in the CL (if they get picked) they'll just become forgotten men.......................

How do you know that it might not be stated, that when signing a contract.. there is a possibility you may be loaned or moved to Standard ?. I know its a bit far fetched, but it could happen

cafckev

Just because SL get into the Champions League doesnt make them a great club, it simply means that they won the league title of a very low grade average league. So, should we sell our players to a CL team, it does not make them any better than us, so dont be fooled into thinking that because they are in it, it makes them any better or worse than us.

Red_Pete_in_Dubai

The whole feeder club concept is just ridiculous nonsense, with no foundation at all. You only have to think about it for a few seconds to realize that it could never work & would be a very poor basis for any business model.

Vincenzo

NWCorner said:

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

There is no need to bring facts in to the equation. Totally uncalled for.

1989cafc

I am also trying to get my head round this network thing/ feeder club. How I understand it is, players from SL (A champions league/ Europa quality team) who can not get in the SL side will be loaned/ transferred to us.

Players who are playing well and are deemed good enough for Champions League/ Europa will be transferred/ loaned to SL.

Is this not the same as us getting players on loan from the likes of Man United, Man City or Liverpool.

Also is it not the same as us selling our best players to Chelsea (Scott Parker), Jonjo Shelvey (Liverpool) etc

All sounds good to me, as I presume this would mean the likes of Jonjo and Parker would stick with us until they are absolutely ready for Champions League football - All good for CAFC.

Plus, We, as a so called feeder club, will be a place where players will come to improve. I imagine this will mean the training facilities will have to be updated to a more Man City like complex ? The CogiTraining method (Not sure if anyone has read or researched it) does seem interesting as it seems to suggest that it can make normal players into much better players, again than can only help Charlton in the long run.

Unfortunately, the days of loyalty of players sticking to one club for the whole of their career are long gone. This experiment/ strategy seems to give them a natural career path in a network of clubs. This is also encouraging when we are trying to entice young players to CAFC - Nobody else has this. We could potentially see the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Hazard etc down at the Valley. (A bit optimistic I know, but the potential is there)

Lastly, another thought comes to mind. If and big IF, A super champions league system was to evolve. Including all the best teams in Europe, surely SL will be one of those teams ? Who do we support in this so NEW super league, if that were to happen ??????????

This seems to be a Business strategy - not a football one - will it work ? I dont know but Football is changing. It is strategy that has merits and I see loads of potential and profit if this works. Possibly even a win win.

Am I missing something ?

stonewallpenalty

You are missing the point it seems the board are picking the team regardless of form, ability and training performance. This means the players on the pitch are there for experience to make them better players for SL despite playing poorly. It seems as Long as the players are playing it doesn't matter how shit Charlton Athletic are doing.

thenewbie

More to the point, all that RD has said outright is that there is a possibility that some Charlton players may end up at Liege, which is as about as shocking as something not at all shocking. Players have come from Liege to Charlton, why on Earth shouldn't some go the other way? Once all our best players are sent one after the other to Liege for concurrent seasons, then we can have this argument. Until then RD seems to be doing no more than he said he would, using the network system to save a bit of money on transfers.

Case in point: Wiggins is probably our best asset in terms of potential money. If this was purely an asset stripping exercise, RD would have transferred him to Liege on a four year contract, not extended it here at Charlton. I am not claiming he is faultless, or flawless, but I think a lot of people are underestimating his ambition/vision right now.

SE10Addick

Is the issue here that we're a feeder club for a naff football club from a naff country with a naff league?

Would we all have the hump if we were Real Madrid's feeder club?

(slightly tongue in cheek here before anyone gets offended!)

NWCorner

stonewallpenalty said:

You are missing the point it seems the board are picking the team regardless of form, ability and training performance. This means the players on the pitch are there for experience to make them better players for SL despite playing poorly. It seems as Long as the players are playing it doesn't matter how shit Charlton Athletic are doing.

No, I don't think I am missing the point. Powelly was picking the team, not the board, hence why he has just been sacked for not picking 3 of the network players. Rock bottom and out the cup to a L1 side. Perhaps the Gaffers stubbornness hasn't helped him.

tangoflash

stonewallpenalty said:

You are missing the point it seems the board are picking the team regardless of form, ability and training performance. This means the players on the pitch are there for experience to make them better players for SL despite playing poorly. It seems as Long as the players are playing it doesn't matter how shit Charlton Athletic are doing.

But surely it's in his interest to have them playing in the championship, not League one? If the level of football is irrellevant, why buy us instead of a L2 team, which would be a much cheaper option?

Dizzle

If any of our players reached 'champions league quality' I would imagine it would be more than just Standard Liege interested. The English teams in the champs league would be interested as soon as they reach premier league standard

thenewbie

Dizzle said:

If any of our players reached 'champions league quality' I would imagine it would be more than just Standard Liege interested. The English teams in the champs league would be interested as soon as they reach premier league standard

Exactly, with the home grown players rules or whatever they are, the hottest academy prospects were never going to stay at Charlton long term. The only difference is that the promising kids end up in Belgium instead of being packed off to the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea etc. This would happen under any owners who aren't Abramovich/Qatari royalty level rich.

Steve_cafc

All this protesting and boycotting, non renewal of season tickets, about us being a feeder club. Did these people protest after paying their valley gold and seeing the likes of Parker, Bowyer, Minto, Barness, Michael Turner, Matt Elliott, etc, all sold on ?
We've always sold our better home grown talent ?
The difference now is that we could get quality players coming to us as well ?
Look at "Liege cast off" Ajdarević, he looks ok .

PeakieRocket

I suspect the Polish Pete was bought more with Standard Liege in mind than Charlton.

eaststandmike

Dizzle said:

If any of our players reached 'champions league quality' I would imagine it would be more than just Standard Liege interested. The English teams in the champs league would be interested as soon as they reach premier league standard

This

Super_horns

There were suggestions we'd be giving a load of players to Udinese but that hasn't happened (yet)

Its the fact that we are allowed to bring in so many for nothing which annoyed everyone (last year anyway)

Seems to have gone a bit quieter which is no surprise given our lack of form!

The main worry must be players coming in who aren't suited to the league which is the issue we've had.

3 of the players brought in last summer (so not ones signed on from last season) have gone back on loan to comes in Spain/Italy.

Some fans have questioned the transfer policy...

MrOneLung

Just because our players are not going to liege doesn't mean we are not a feeder club. We are being used as dumping ground/proving ground for the bigger club. We are not our own entity anymore.

tangoflash

Very unlikely that our players (current of future) will move to Standard. They are just squad fillers to make up the numbers around the loan players. For Rolly, Charlton exist for the benefit of sending players here to help their development and concentrating on youth to "breed" talent to sell on to finance things. Nothing more, nothing less.......................

letthegoodtimesroll

The lure of the bright lights of belgium will probably prove too much if all we have to offer our young lads is a boring life in london where nothing much happens...I can see this feeder club scheme working in our favour...

Absurdistan

NWCorner said:

This "we are a feeder club to Liege" stuff is bugging me a bit. None of our players have gone to Liege. If any do go to a team that's going to be in the Champions League it will be because they are playing really well, which will probably mean the team are doing well. There is no one who is CL quality at CAFC at present.

Danny Green in the Champions League next season. You heard it first here. ;-)