Can't believe we have so many people moaning about this, I think it's brilliant and seems to make so much sense I'm not sure why previous regimes didn't think of it.
People will be paying much more than the person a few yards away. It's already the case with people in the northern section of the West paying much more than someone in the NW quadrant sitting 5 yards away, everyone has the choice.
This is the modern way with teams like Arsenal. I sit in the North Lower and I have choices, I can move to the upper West and same £50, I can move to the far end of the East and save £150 or I can stay where I am. You all have choices (OK the cross bar thing is different).
If people are not happy with people in the same stand paying significantly less, then move. Maybe some will abuse the system, that's not your problem.
I don't know if it's a thing with internet forums, football forums or just Charlton fans but Jesus we love a moan. I honestly opened up this thread thinking it will be full of praise for the initiative. Lets see how it goes and moan when it all goes wrong, it will be much more satisfying.
Are these only open to existing season ticket holders? I can see block A being hugely over-subscribed.
block A will be subscribed with a mix of (a) people thinking thats a bargain, and (b) the younger element currently in the North Upper and North Lower who wanna give the away fans a bit of bird like you get at most other grounds.
The initial thought liklihood to me is this will lead to a bigger cost increase in stewards / police required for that area, and that those in (a) will soon get the hump with those in (b).
The liklihood (to me) is the vast majority of this will be taken up by people already ST holders in other parts of the ground (mainly North), and that will lead to a revenue reduction not increase.
Equally, any form of investigative effort seeking out those buying cheaper tickets and sitting elsewhere is likely to either not occur, or be an exhaustive resource drain.
I thought this was a fairly common way of pricing in Europe. It works best in a near full stadium so people aren't trying to move from the cheap seats and you need the vomitory stewards to be checking tickets
I agree that few people will move from a seat they have long occupied just to save £100 to £150.
I agree that there a lot of good things in there.
The prices haven't increased hugely and for many they have gone down (Crossbars apart) which is good for them and likely to mean they renew
Some prices have gone down which is great for those in those seats but if Large has saved £100 that means the club is already £100 down when he and those in his block renew. That is a lot of extra ST to sell just to break even.
U18 Kids tickets have gone up 20% which is steep but "only" £20 extra. OK if you have one child, not great if you have three. So for little extra income you risk driving out some families. One child in five dropping out wipes out any extra income from childs tickets.
The Crossbars idea is a mess and will be even messier when those who don't read the OS or CL try to renew their north upper front row tickets after 9 April. It hasn't been thought through and confuses two different products (A ST and a lounge) and assumes that the lounge is more important to buyers than the ST.
I do wonder what the offers will be if we make the semi-final or final. Guarenteed ticket if you buy a ST?
And if we go down?
The "prices held to 9 April" hasn't been explained. What does it mean?
It's not all bad but there are flaws. Not moaning, just commenting. Hope that is allowed.
This will end up being a serious drop in season ticket numbers. People will not renew early preferring to wait and change to another stand cheaper price. You then go on holiday forget to renew , the new season starts in whatever division, if we're not off to a flyer, you pick and choose the games you go along to, and all of a sudden you realise you've not been to a home game for a few months, and the sky hasn't fallen in.
Looks like block a east stand will be a new singing area , which is a good thing , anything to improve the atmosphere , not that I'll be moving from north upper but I'm sure a lot of the youngsters will.
Red Division sat there once and plenty of people on here got upset by it
I thought this was a fairly common way of pricing in Europe. It works best in a near full stadium so people aren't trying to move from the cheap seats and you need the vomitory stewards to be checking tickets
Can do that, but there is no physical segregation between the blocks. The club could install that by taking out seats and reconfiguring the stand, but then you'll have more people losing their seats, complaints about restricted views and extra cost.
The bigger issue is that the people most likely to buy season tickets at £150/£250 are the people currently buying the match tickets, so for example if someone is currently paying £26 more than six times a season they become better off with a season ticket, and on previous experience they may or may not attend more often. But the club will get no more revenue from that person, and less from the people attending 12 to 15 times. They have to pick up a lot of people not attending often or at all to compensate.
I think the principle of this is potentially good, but given the complexity and the sheer number of price points there will be issues - VIP tickets is one of them - that just haven't been thought through properly.
This will end up being a serious drop in season ticket numbers. People will not renew early preferring to wait and change to another stand cheaper price. You then go on holiday forget to renew , the new season starts in whatever division, if we're not off to a flyer, you pick and choose the games you go along to, and all of a sudden you realise you've not been to a home game for a few months, and the sky hasn't fallen in.
I think we will have more season ticket holders than before. I can't see anyone not renewing, if you were contemplating not renewing, there's the £150 ticket which is a no brainer.
A few casual fans at my work are already considering getting one, depending on what the prices will be like for current non ST holders.
Looks like block a east stand will be a new singing area , which is a good thing , anything to improve the atmosphere , not that I'll be moving from north upper but I'm sure a lot of the youngsters will.
Red Division sat there once and plenty of people on here got upset by it
Reading this forum today people get upset at a lot of things .
I'll be renewing my seat on the halfway line in the East Stand. I expected it to cost one of the highest tier prices.
However, I won't be happy if people who have paid £150 for their tickets are sat next to me simply because the club were unable or unwilling to enforce ticket holders sitting in the correct seats. The VIP next to me will be even unhappier I'm sure.
The differential between Block A and Block E is frankly ludicrous given the unlikelihood anyone's going to stop people walking around the stand. It only works if the stands sell out in descending price order, and quite simply they won't be doing that. The range is so large that you could theoretically buy a ticket in Block A and a kid's ticket in Block E, sit in the latter and save a couple of ton on the price I paid.
I keep checking the date to make sure it's not April 1st.
Looks like block a east stand will be a new singing area , which is a good thing , anything to improve the atmosphere , not that I'll be moving from north upper but I'm sure a lot of the youngsters will.
Red Division sat there once and plenty of people on here got upset by it
They were not exactly happy about sitting there. After the OB wanted a word!
This will end up being a serious drop in season ticket numbers. People will not renew early preferring to wait and change to another stand cheaper price. You then go on holiday forget to renew , the new season starts in whatever division, if we're not off to a flyer, you pick and choose the games you go along to, and all of a sudden you realise you've not been to a home game for a few months, and the sky hasn't fallen in.
I think we will have more season ticket holders than before. I can't see anyone not renewing, if you were contemplating not renewing, there's the £150 ticket which is a no brainer.
A few casual fans at my work are already considering getting one, depending on what the prices will be like for current non ST holders.
At £150 a season even im considering signing up, takes a slight sting out of the costs travelling up from Devon every other week.
Can you not put railings up (i.e. not high enough to impeed views) in the middle of the stairs to stop people walking to their seats and then crossing over the blocks... Surely as well that would create safety what with the East Stand being quite steep so would allow people to hold on to something if needed.
I s'pose this would make it harder for fans to get past either other going up and down the stairs at Half-Time for drinks etc... but maybe until FT make it one way? (i.e. one side of the block your only allowed to go down the stairs and then your only allowed to go up the other side of the block?)
Can you not put railings up (i.e. not high enough to impeed views) in the middle of the stairs to stop people walking to their seats and then crossing over the blocks... Surely as well that would create safety what with the East Stand being quite steep so would allow people to hold on to something if needed.
I s'pose this would make it harder for fans to get past either other going up and down the stairs at Half-Time for drinks etc... but maybe until FT make it one way? (i.e. one side of the block your only allowed to go down the stairs and then your only allowed to go up the other side of the block?)
I've always thought the aisles would benefit from handrails, but I guess they'd have to be a minimum height - say three foot - and would then be an obstruction for some. It may also mean widening the aisle, i.e. losing a column of seats.
You can't restrict access to one side of a block or the other, because there is a maximum number of seats to the nearest available aisle allowed for safety reasons.
I agree that few people will move from a seat they have long occupied just to save £100 to £150.
I agree that there a lot of good things in there.
The prices haven't increased hugely and for many they have gone down (Crossbars apart) which is good for them and likely to mean they renew
Some prices have gone down which is great for those in those seats but if Large has saved £100 that means the club is already £100 down when he and those in his block renew. That is a lot of extra ST to sell just to break even.
U18 Kids tickets have gone up 20% which is steep but "only" £20 extra. OK if you have one child, not great if you have three. So for little extra income you risk driving out some families. One child in five dropping out wipes out any extra income from childs tickets.
The Crossbars idea is a mess and will be even messier when those who don't read the OS or CL try to renew their north upper front row tickets after 9 April. It hasn't been thought through and confuses two different products (A ST and a lounge) and assumes that the lounge is more important to buyers than the ST.
I do wonder what the offers will be if we make the semi-final or final. Guarenteed ticket if you buy a ST?
And if we go down?
The "prices held to 9 April" hasn't been explained. What does it mean?
It's not all bad but there are flaws. Not moaning, just commenting. Hope that is allowed.
You don't just need to consider the 'extra' STs the club sell, you also have to factor how many of those that have one this season wouldn't have bothered renewing without the discount.
Retention is key. Once someone gives up a Season Ticket it is much harder to entice them to buy another one, I believe.
I'll be renewing my seat on the halfway line in the East Stand. I expected it to cost one of the highest tier prices.
However, I won't be happy if people who have paid £150 for their tickets are sat next to me simply because the club were unable or unwilling to enforce ticket holders sitting in the correct seats. The VIP next to me will be even unhappier I'm sure.
The differential between Block A and Block E is frankly ludicrous given the unlikelihood anyone's going to stop people walking around the stand. It only works if the stands sell out in descending price order, and quite simply they won't be doing that. The range is so large that you could theoretically buy a ticket in Block A and a kid's ticket in Block E, sit in the latter and save a couple of ton on the price I paid.
I keep checking the date to make sure it's not April 1st.
is this likely to be true, if so my season ticket in the west stand drops by £200. That seems to good to be true, must be a catch.
We all know the cost of European Football (the Bundesliga for example) and since RD has taken over its been the ticket prices for next season that I've been most interesting in seeing... i.e. I cant imagine Standard Liege fans paying that much each week and always wondered if he would bring the prices down to a level of cost that he is used to
There again it could also be the simple case that he is worried about the club being relegated and if we do go down to League One with expensive tickets then no one would turn up.
Either way if these ticket prices are correct then can only applaud him especially as I guess most clubs will up ticket prices as a way of handling FFP
Need help here im north upper j block row bb so in the 'crossbar zone' so if i reknew by april the 9th i can keep my seat and stay put after the 9th i have to move?? If thats the case im off to the 150 seats to save cash club loses 150 makes no sense..
I thought this was a fairly common way of pricing in Europe. It works best in a near full stadium so people aren't trying to move from the cheap seats and you need the vomitory stewards to be checking tickets
What a joke like f@@k am I paying 530 for my ticket and crappy cross bar entry I don't want So we either keep our seat for a reasonable price or club loses 4 st in a row that isn't full anyway!! Cos were not moving. Only Charlton could have come up with this
I thought this was a fairly common way of pricing in Europe. It works best in a near full stadium so people aren't trying to move from the cheap seats and you need the vomitory stewards to be checking tickets
Can do that, but there is no physical segregation between the blocks. The club could install that by taking out seats and reconfiguring the stand, but then you'll have more people losing their seats, complaints about restricted views and extra cost.
The bigger issue is that the people most likely to buy season tickets at £150/£250 are the people currently buying the match tickets, so for example if someone is currently paying £26 more than six times a season they become better off with a season ticket, and on previous experience they may or may not attend more often. But the club will get no more revenue from that person, and less from the people attending 12 to 15 times. They have to pick up a lot of people not attending often or at all to compensate.
I think the principle of this is potentially good, but given the complexity and the sheer number of price points there will be issues - VIP tickets is one of them - that just haven't been thought through properly.
Firstly, I'm colour blond, so that diagram can f*** off.
Secondly, my seat is now a Crossbars seat. We went into Crossbars for a year. We never, ever got a seat at a table, only spoke to a match day host once, and ultimately could have had the same experience in any nearby bar.
But unless I'm mistaken, I have to move from what I find is a perfect seat, because I don't want to spend 200 quid on crossbars.
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People will be paying much more than the person a few yards away. It's already the case with people in the northern section of the West paying much more than someone in the NW quadrant sitting 5 yards away, everyone has the choice.
This is the modern way with teams like Arsenal. I sit in the North Lower and I have choices, I can move to the upper West and same £50, I can move to the far end of the East and save £150 or I can stay where I am. You all have choices (OK the cross bar thing is different).
If people are not happy with people in the same stand paying significantly less, then move. Maybe some will abuse the system, that's not your problem.
I don't know if it's a thing with internet forums, football forums or just Charlton fans but Jesus we love a moan. I honestly opened up this thread thinking it will be full of praise for the initiative. Lets see how it goes and moan when it all goes wrong, it will be much more satisfying.
The initial thought liklihood to me is this will lead to a bigger cost increase in stewards / police required for that area, and that those in (a) will soon get the hump with those in (b).
The liklihood (to me) is the vast majority of this will be taken up by people already ST holders in other parts of the ground (mainly North), and that will lead to a revenue reduction not increase.
Equally, any form of investigative effort seeking out those buying cheaper tickets and sitting elsewhere is likely to either not occur, or be an exhaustive resource drain.
I agree that there a lot of good things in there.
The prices haven't increased hugely and for many they have gone down (Crossbars apart) which is good for them and likely to mean they renew
Some prices have gone down which is great for those in those seats but if Large has saved £100 that means the club is already £100 down when he and those in his block renew. That is a lot of extra ST to sell just to break even.
U18 Kids tickets have gone up 20% which is steep but "only" £20 extra. OK if you have one child, not great if you have three. So for little extra income you risk driving out some families. One child in five dropping out wipes out any extra income from childs tickets.
The Crossbars idea is a mess and will be even messier when those who don't read the OS or CL try to renew their north upper front row tickets after 9 April. It hasn't been thought through and confuses two different products (A ST and a lounge) and assumes that the lounge is more important to buyers than the ST.
I do wonder what the offers will be if we make the semi-final or final. Guarenteed ticket if you buy a ST?
And if we go down?
The "prices held to 9 April" hasn't been explained. What does it mean?
It's not all bad but there are flaws. Not moaning, just commenting. Hope that is allowed.
People will not renew early preferring to wait and change to another stand cheaper price.
You then go on holiday forget to renew , the new season starts in whatever division, if we're not off to a flyer, you pick and choose the games you go along to, and all of a sudden you realise you've not been to a home game for a few months, and the sky hasn't fallen in.
The bigger issue is that the people most likely to buy season tickets at £150/£250 are the people currently buying the match tickets, so for example if someone is currently paying £26 more than six times a season they become better off with a season ticket, and on previous experience they may or may not attend more often. But the club will get no more revenue from that person, and less from the people attending 12 to 15 times. They have to pick up a lot of people not attending often or at all to compensate.
I think the principle of this is potentially good, but given the complexity and the sheer number of price points there will be issues - VIP tickets is one of them - that just haven't been thought through properly.
A few casual fans at my work are already considering getting one, depending on what the prices will be like for current non ST holders.
However, I won't be happy if people who have paid £150 for their tickets are sat next to me simply because the club were unable or unwilling to enforce ticket holders sitting in the correct seats. The VIP next to me will be even unhappier I'm sure.
The differential between Block A and Block E is frankly ludicrous given the unlikelihood anyone's going to stop people walking around the stand. It only works if the stands sell out in descending price order, and quite simply they won't be doing that. The range is so large that you could theoretically buy a ticket in Block A and a kid's ticket in Block E, sit in the latter and save a couple of ton on the price I paid.
I keep checking the date to make sure it's not April 1st.
At £150 a season even im considering signing up, takes a slight sting out of the costs travelling up from Devon every other week.
I s'pose this would make it harder for fans to get past either other going up and down the stairs at Half-Time for drinks etc... but maybe until FT make it one way? (i.e. one side of the block your only allowed to go down the stairs and then your only allowed to go up the other side of the block?)
As I purchase 4 STs, by moving from my East Stand Block G seat to the one directly opposite to me in the West Upper, I'll be saving £400 next season.
Most people in the East Stand smell anyway.
You can't restrict access to one side of a block or the other, because there is a maximum number of seats to the nearest available aisle allowed for safety reasons.
Retention is key. Once someone gives up a Season Ticket it is much harder to entice them to buy another one, I believe.
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There again it could also be the simple case that he is worried about the club being relegated and if we do go down to League One with expensive tickets then no one would turn up.
Either way if these ticket prices are correct then can only applaud him especially as I guess most clubs will up ticket prices as a way of handling FFP
So we either keep our seat for a reasonable price or club loses 4 st in a row that isn't full anyway!! Cos were not moving.
Only Charlton could have come up with this
Secondly, my seat is now a Crossbars seat. We went into Crossbars for a year. We never, ever got a seat at a table, only spoke to a match day host once, and ultimately could have had the same experience in any nearby bar.
But unless I'm mistaken, I have to move from what I find is a perfect seat, because I don't want to spend 200 quid on crossbars.
Thanks for that.