Yeah, I feel very depressed. I've spent the season waiting for us to come good and when we beat Donny at home I thought we'd push on. Now I'm 90% sure we're going down.
IMO since RD has taken over it just doesn't fill like Charlton anymore to me. Tbh the damage was done more from the other lot before him. Except from Powell and some of the seniors players. Can't really feel the affiliation with these loans from RD clubs.
We only needed a winger and a striker. To move up the table.
Leaving The Valley in the 80s was the most depressing time following Charlton for me. However, I feel exactly the same as AFKA and I think the reason is that the last 12-18 months has been a missed opportunity.
We've been relegated enough times over the years, but mostly when it's been expected after a period of gradual decline. But, we shouldn't be in this current predicament given our promotion from League 1 when we should have really kicked on as a club. That's why I feel frustrated anyway.
IMO since RD has taken over it just doesn't fill like Charlton anymore to me. Tbh the damage was done more from the other lot before him. Except from Powell and some of the seniors players. Can't really feel the affiliation with these loans from RD clubs.
We only needed a winger and a striker. To move up the table.
I don't get this personally.
We had 2 SL loan players on the pitch today - it's hardly like we're their B team. One of those was one of the best on the pitch.
Prior to January, everyone was crying out for strikers and more in the midfield. We brought in a decent midfielder, and a couple of strikers. Yes, they may be unproven as yet, but it doesn't mean they are no good. We were never going to sign Messi and Rooney.
Yann's departure was a shame, but he's not irreplaceable. And as for Stephens, if I had a pound for everytime someone has said we should have sold him to villa 2 years ago, I'd be a very rich man.
We have a relatively new team of relatively young players. They will need some time to start working effectively together. I still think the squad is good enough to stay up - but it will be a real test of character.
Its true there were plenty of positives from today's match and our league position on the face of it is far from hopeless with so many games to go. What gets me is a kind of sixth sense feeling that what we've got is not enough this time. Just hope to hell that I'm wrong.
Im actually positive about the long term(not this season) under the new owners but im in a really low point as i love CP but for the first time im really starting to doubt if he is going to be able to get us out of this situation.
So im currently having a miserable Saturday night as i hate the fact that if CP was to go right now, i would not be angry at the new owners for it.
I don't like feeling this way about one of my all time footballing heroes and a man who made me and many other grown men at Carlisle away tear up when he raised that banner as the players left the pitch.
Starting to get resigned to it. It's like there's only so much you can take and then the defense mechanism kicks in. Today I almost laughed because it's all getting so predictable. I can't remember the last game when I felt things were picking up (not true - Brighton Boxing Day) but that was short lived. And before that? Probably the last game of last season.
Can I ask smudge, why are sceptical of there strategy, I quite like there strategy.
Because five weeks ago we just probably needed a little bit of tinkering, a whole month of a transfer window to settle the management, settle the squad, and boost it with just a couple of experienced signings. Nothing outrageous, just a boost to the squad with some proven championship level.
Instead, the management uncertainty has allowed to continue and you could see the impact that has had, two of our proven championship level players have been shipped out, and we've brought in a load of unknowns that even if they are up to it, will take a while to integrate and find their way. All this again was done at the last possible minute.
If they didn't want to back their manager, they should have replaced him.
You tell me mate what bits of that you quite like or what I've failed to take on board.
This completely nails it for me. We weren't that far away and just needed some reinforcements and now look at us. A complete bloody mess.
Can someone who goes to the fans forum/ supporters trust/ addicks meetings where Richard Murray attends ask why this was not the case. I'm baffled
If you want perspective try sportsclubstats website. According to them our relegation chances are at 47%. Now that's the worst we have been for a long time...last season we were 15% a lot of the time and we know how that felt. This season we have been between 20% and 40%. We have time to sort it out and the competition is poor at the bottom. Today at 2:45 I thought it was a must win and that we would win. Now at the start of the Football League Show we are in a very different place but I still only have one choice and that is to back my club 100%
Can I ask smudge, why are sceptical of there strategy, I quite like there strategy.
Because five weeks ago we just probably needed a little bit of tinkering, a whole month of a transfer window to settle the management, settle the squad, and boost it with just a couple of experienced signings. Nothing outrageous, just a boost to the squad with some proven championship level.
Instead, the management uncertainty has allowed to continue and you could see the impact that has had, two of our proven championship level players have been shipped out, and we've brought in a load of unknowns that even if they are up to it, will take a while to integrate and find their way. All this again was done at the last possible minute.
If they didn't want to back their manager, they should have replaced him.
You tell me mate what bits of that you quite like or what I've failed to take on board.
This completely nails it for me. We weren't that far away and just needed some reinforcements and now look at us. A complete bloody mess.
Can someone who goes to the fans forum/ supporters trust/ addicks meetings where Richard Murray attends ask why this was not the case. I'm baffled
There is a Trust Q&A with Richard Murray booked for next week at the Counting House in the City. Hopefully we have perspective on today by then. Clearly when the event was booked everyone hoped we had started the climb out of the bottom three. I saw some good players out there today but not a complete team and not a decent football pitch.
I will chip in for what it's worth about some stuff I experienced today when finding myself in the boardroom after the match.
I made a point of speaking to Katrien, and on a personal level I found her to be every bit as positive and genuine in person as she is on the 'meet the board' video. One of the easiest to like people you could hope to meet, and also someone on the ball, alert, a great listener and pretty aware. A very impressive person.
Anyway she told me that the new owners are here for the long term, they like and respect Chris Powell, personally, and as the manager, and they want to support him, and they recognise that there are unique challenges due to the present circumstances. Of course I didn't ask anything about contracts, even if I wanted to it would've seemed impolite and inappropriate, but there was no sense of hesitation in her response about wanting to help Chris to get things going.
You can judge for yourself as to how long that may last, but in the wake of the loss today I got no sense of exasperation. You may judge for yourself as to whether the kind of 'support' offered so far is right or wrong, but I got no sense of conspiracy or lack of aspiration to succeed.
Katrien was beguiled in an excited way about her job, working at Charlton, the FA Cup (she will be at Sheffield), and the experiences she is having in this new role. She had the good humour to say that yes she realises we also need Belgium beer, chocolates and waffles, and has enjoyed the way we are coming to terms with the Belgium aspect of things. We talked about other stuff as well, and I for one found I liked her enormously.
I also had a bit of a chat to Roland's two outriders Didier and Charles/Carlos. They said they work within Roland's network, and were pretty sussed it seemed to me about football, and also about football as a business. They weren't 'suits' by the way.
I am grateful to popicon who straight out asked them where Charlton stand in Roland's group of clubs. They said second...to Standard Liege.
However.
They were also well versed, and very respectful, regarding all of Roland's stable of clubs, and they clearly acknowledged that Charlton in the premier league would put them above Standard Liege even if Standard were in in the Champions League. Certainly in terms of money. They seemed to indicate that in Belgium, with less spread of clubs, and only really three decent ones, that things are ultimately weaker there in the business of football, stronger in the English league. They had knowledge, for example the way big clubs can nick good young players at 16 from other clubs, they were well aware of it(perhaps its European wide I don't know), and they felt that it was wrong and ought to change. They were interested in some snippets of the History of Charlton I told them about, particularly the Valley Party times (incidentally Katrien wanted more visual displays regarding Charlton's history all over the place when I was suggesting she got some Magritte's on show!).
Didier and Charles also like the idea of a pre season tournament involving Roland's stable of clubs, especially because the managers can get together, share best practice, get to know each others players, the players could also be weighed up for possible best deployment. All in a positive way because the network would not be with rivals but collaborators in football.
I report all this with no certainty of the exact role of Didier and Charles, but they too struck me as good guys and not princes of darkness...not at all. They were not in the least bit negative about Chris Powell either.
In terms of this thread, and what we make of where we are, well mine is only one viewpoint, and only one bit of reportage. For me I don't believe we are in the hands of some monster. Yes we are in a progressive state, where many on Charlton Life who have weighed up the ins and outs of the new model of football Roland is creating, are probably pretty accurate in their speculation. I believe we are in the hands of people who want to create something, don't want to lose shedloads of money doing it, and believe they are nurturing a vision to succeed.
The more breadth and depth our new people have about everything Charlton past and present the better it will be, and they seemed to be very receptive all round.
It is up to each one of us to decide if we like where we are headed, but compared to the last regime I feel a whole lot more positive and hopeful.
This is only my take on things as best as I can remember, it is 'fact' only in as much as I feel I have reported my experience accurately.
leaving the Valley in 85 actually helped us in a way - it galvanised the fans, gave us something to fight for and it felt better when we won as it felt everyone was against us.
The Dowie/Reed/Pardew season & subsequent relegation from the Prem was pretty low, but was probably beaten by the events that followed with the Pardew/Parkinson relegation season to League one. This for me was the lowest, but then again I was going through a break up in my marriage which didn't help !!
For me the writing was on the wall this season even before a ball was kicked & I take no joy in the fact that I did say so at the time. I feel for my 10 year old son, who for the first time today realised we are in deep trouble and actually cried after the 2nd goal went in.......I just wish that I supported a better team & so he would be able to go to a game & see his team at least score a goal from time to time.
Well I wasn't around in the 80s and being kicked out of the Valley, so Id be interested to see how fans from those times feel our current predicament compares. </blockquote
It doesn't really compare. No matter how bad it seems now, at least we have a future. In 1984 we didn't have a future....it was over.
Well I wasn't around in the 80s and being kicked out of the Valley, so Id be interested to see how fans from those times feel our current predicament compares.
Except in the end it wasn't, was it?
Yet I wonder if the internet had existed then, it might well have been - we'd probably have been tearing lumps out of each other in the virtual world instead of getting together and eventually creating the Valley Party...
2008-9 felt far worse to me than this season does. Coming just two seasons after relegation from the Prem it felt as if we were on an inexorable slide. The club was obviously in a mess at boardroom level and the revolving door in the managers office was one of the most obvious symptoms of this.
I expect I'll be told that I'm being naive, but I still hold out some hopes for this season. I still think we can save the day and that the drop isn't clear cut. I also think that in RD we have a Chairman with both the desire and the clout to rebuild the team should the worst happen.
The owners have taken the club backwards and make no mistake this is a relegation side with the heart and soul ripped out of the spine of the side
You can't expect to replace quality like Yann and Stephens with cheap foreign replacements and get away with it
I maintain RD got us relegated on 31/1/13
100% agree.
Agree. Duchatelet is an ignorant arse. I compared him to Vincent Tann and was laughed at, but that's just how it is. His 'strategy' is bollocks.
I don't get the same impression as you, and I wonder if you have a bit of insider knowledge. What with the Venkeys, Tan, Cheung, the Hull people there are all sorts going on, we are more in the Watford way of things, but is it as bad as you say, or is it starkly that football is going to have a different future, us included?
I will chip in for what it's worth about some stuff I experienced today when finding myself in the boardroom after the match.
I made a point of speaking to Katrien, and on a personal level I found her to be every bit as positive and genuine in person as she is on the 'meet the board' video. One of the easiest to like people you could hope to meet, and also someone on the ball, alert, a great listener and pretty aware. A very impressive person.
Anyway she told me that the new owners are here for the long term, they like and respect Chris Powell, personally, and as the manager, and they want to support him, and they recognise that there are unique challenges due to the present circumstances. Of course I didn't ask anything about contracts, even if I wanted to it would've seemed impolite and inappropriate, but there was no sense of hesitation in her response about wanting to help Chris to get things going.
You can judge for yourself as to how long that may last, but in the wake of the loss today I got no sense of exasperation. You may judge for yourself as to whether the kind of 'support' offered so far is right or wrong, but I got no sense of conspiracy or lack of aspiration to succeed.
Katrien was beguiled in an excited way about her job, working at Charlton, the FA Cup (she will be at Sheffield), and the experiences she is having in this new role. She had the good humour to say that yes she realises we also need Belgium beer, chocolates and waffles, and has enjoyed the way we are coming to terms with the Belgium aspect of things. We talked about other stuff as well, and I for one found I liked her enormously.
I also had a bit of a chat to Roland's two outriders Didier and Charles/Carlos. They said they work within Roland's network, and were pretty sussed it seemed to me about football, and also about football as a business. They weren't 'suits' by the way.
I am grateful to popicon who straight out asked them where Charlton stand in Roland's group of clubs. They said second...to Standard Liege.
However.
They were also well versed, and very respectful, regarding all of Roland's stable of clubs, and they clearly acknowledged that Charlton in the premier league would put them above Standard Liege even if Standard were in in the Champions League. Certainly in terms of money. They seemed to indicate that in Belgium, with less spread of clubs, and only really three decent ones, that things are ultimately weaker there in the business of football, stronger in the English league. They had knowledge, for example the way big clubs can nick good young players at 16 from other clubs, they were well aware of it(perhaps its European wide I don't know), and they felt that it was wrong and ought to change. They were interested in some snippets of the History of Charlton I told them about, particularly the Valley Party times (incidentally Katrien wanted more visual displays regarding Charlton's history all over the place when I was suggesting she got some Magritte's on show!).
Didier and Charles also like the idea of a pre season tournament involving Roland's stable of clubs, especially because the managers can get together, share best practice, get to know each others players, the players could also be weighed up for possible best deployment. All in a positive way because the network would not be with rivals but collaborators in football.
I report all this with no certainty of the exact role of Didier and Charles, but they too struck me as good guys and not princes of darkness...not at all. They were not in the least bit negative about Chris Powell either.
In terms of this thread, and what we make of where we are, well mine is only one viewpoint, and only one bit of reportage. For me I don't believe we are in the hands of some monster. Yes we are in a progressive state, where many on Charlton Life who have weighed up the ins and outs of the new model of football Roland is creating, are probably pretty accurate in their speculation. I believe we are in the hands of people who want to create something, don't want to lose shedloads of money doing it, and believe they are nurturing a vision to succeed.
The more breadth and depth our new people have about everything Charlton past and present the better it will be, and they seemed to be very receptive all round.
It is up to each one of us to decide if we like where we are headed, but compared to the last regime I feel a whole lot more positive and hopeful.
This is only my take on things as best as I can remember, it is 'fact' only in as much as I feel I have reported my experience accurately.
As a guest of Richard Murray today I too had a chance to meet these people and Seth. A brief encounter where I won't disclose any confidences as there weren't any apart from the shocking state of the pitch and our left back! But I did take the liberty of directing them towards a replica trophy of the 1998 play-off final and took the liberty of explaining that our stadium was virtually sold out for ten years because of that win.
It is a new era and there is a lot of work to do, a lot to fix.
I am not as depressed as the night we sacked Brian Cole, still the most embarrassing point in the clubs 100+ year history. I felt more depressed at Operation Ewood. A few of our players really, really impressed and excited me today. I won't even attempt at trying to spell their names, No.8, No.42 and young Poyet. It's a new dawn at The Valley and we won't get anywhere with such negativity from our fans, whether after the game or after 2 mins of the kick off. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it was destroyed in less than one.
No moment will ever be as sad and depressing as the "last" game at the Valley in 1985.
Although I thought Poyet and the three new boys looked good today I didn't see a solution to the goal scoring problem and for the first time I feel as though we are powerless to prevent relegation.
I'm optimistic, Need Solly and Wiggins back. Got a good group of youngsters. New signings looking good. Just need a bit of luck and a few goals. Were not out of it yet. COYR's.
I'm actually pretty positive about the medium - long term future of our club. I am confident that RD's plan will eventually pay off. However, I suspect that the short-term will involve a trip back to Division 1. This team just hasn't got what it needs to survive this year & for that I firmly blame the idiotic ownership of TJ / MS. The next 3 months are going to be pretty grim but I'm looking forward to the start of next season already.
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Except from Powell and some of the seniors players. Can't really feel the affiliation with these loans from RD clubs.
We only needed a winger and a striker. To move up the table.
We've been relegated enough times over the years, but mostly when it's been expected after a period of gradual decline. But, we shouldn't be in this current predicament given our promotion from League 1 when we should have really kicked on as a club. That's why I feel frustrated anyway.
Spot on .
We had 2 SL loan players on the pitch today - it's hardly like we're their B team. One of those was one of the best on the pitch.
Prior to January, everyone was crying out for strikers and more in the midfield. We brought in a decent midfielder, and a couple of strikers. Yes, they may be unproven as yet, but it doesn't mean they are no good. We were never going to sign Messi and Rooney.
Yann's departure was a shame, but he's not irreplaceable. And as for Stephens, if I had a pound for everytime someone has said we should have sold him to villa 2 years ago, I'd be a very rich man.
We have a relatively new team of relatively young players. They will need some time to start working effectively together. I still think the squad is good enough to stay up - but it will be a real test of character.
So im currently having a miserable Saturday night as i hate the fact that if CP was to go right now, i would not be angry at the new owners for it.
I don't like feeling this way about one of my all time footballing heroes and a man who made me and many other grown men at Carlisle away tear up when he raised that banner as the players left the pitch.
Can someone who goes to the fans forum/ supporters trust/ addicks meetings where Richard Murray attends ask why this was not the case. I'm baffled
We have time to sort it out and the competition is poor at the bottom.
Today at 2:45 I thought it was a must win and that we would win.
Now at the start of the Football League Show we are in a very different place but I still only have one choice and that is to back my club 100%
I saw some good players out there today but not a complete team and not a decent football pitch.
I made a point of speaking to Katrien, and on a personal level I found her to be every bit as positive and genuine in person as she is on the 'meet the board' video. One of the easiest to like people you could hope to meet, and also someone on the ball, alert, a great listener and pretty aware. A very impressive person.
Anyway she told me that the new owners are here for the long term, they like and respect Chris Powell, personally, and as the manager, and they want to support him, and they recognise that there are unique challenges due to the present circumstances. Of course I didn't ask anything about contracts, even if I wanted to it would've seemed impolite and inappropriate, but there was no sense of hesitation in her response about wanting to help Chris to get things going.
You can judge for yourself as to how long that may last, but in the wake of the loss today I got no sense of exasperation. You may judge for yourself as to whether the kind of 'support' offered so far is right or wrong, but I got no sense of conspiracy or lack of aspiration to succeed.
Katrien was beguiled in an excited way about her job, working at Charlton, the FA Cup (she will be at Sheffield), and the experiences she is having in this new role.
She had the good humour to say that yes she realises we also need Belgium beer, chocolates and waffles, and has enjoyed the way we are coming to terms with the Belgium aspect of things. We talked about other stuff as well, and I for one found I liked her enormously.
I also had a bit of a chat to Roland's two outriders Didier and Charles/Carlos. They said they work within Roland's network, and were pretty sussed it seemed to me about football, and also about football as a business. They weren't 'suits' by the way.
I am grateful to popicon who straight out asked them where Charlton stand in Roland's group of clubs. They said second...to Standard Liege.
However.
They were also well versed, and very respectful, regarding all of Roland's stable of clubs, and they clearly acknowledged that Charlton in the premier league would put them above Standard Liege even if Standard were in in the Champions League. Certainly in terms of money.
They seemed to indicate that in Belgium, with less spread of clubs, and only really three decent ones, that things are ultimately weaker there in the business of football, stronger in the English league.
They had knowledge, for example the way big clubs can nick good young players at 16 from other clubs, they were well aware of it(perhaps its European wide I don't know), and they felt that it was wrong and ought to change. They were interested in some snippets of the History of Charlton I told them about, particularly the Valley Party times (incidentally Katrien wanted more visual displays regarding Charlton's history all over the place when I was suggesting she got some Magritte's on show!).
Didier and Charles also like the idea of a pre season tournament involving Roland's stable of clubs, especially because the managers can get together, share best practice, get to know each others players, the players could also be weighed up for possible best deployment. All in a positive way because the network would not be with rivals but collaborators in football.
I report all this with no certainty of the exact role of Didier and Charles, but they too struck me as good guys and not princes of darkness...not at all. They were not in the least bit negative about Chris Powell either.
In terms of this thread, and what we make of where we are, well mine is only one viewpoint, and only one bit of reportage. For me I don't believe we are in the hands of some monster. Yes we are in a progressive state, where many on Charlton Life who have weighed up the ins and outs of the new model of football Roland is creating, are probably pretty accurate in their speculation. I believe we are in the hands of people who want to create something, don't want to lose shedloads of money doing it, and believe they are nurturing a vision to succeed.
The more breadth and depth our new people have about everything Charlton past and present the better it will be, and they seemed to be very receptive all round.
It is up to each one of us to decide if we like where we are headed, but compared to the last regime I feel a whole lot more positive and hopeful.
This is only my take on things as best as I can remember, it is 'fact' only in as much as I feel I have reported my experience accurately.
The Dowie/Reed/Pardew season & subsequent relegation from the Prem was pretty low, but was probably beaten by the events that followed with the Pardew/Parkinson relegation season to League one. This for me was the lowest, but then again I was going through a break up in my marriage which didn't help !!
For me the writing was on the wall this season even before a ball was kicked & I take no joy in the fact that I did say so at the time. I feel for my 10 year old son, who for the first time today realised we are in deep trouble and actually cried after the 2nd goal went in.......I just wish that I supported a better team & so he would be able to go to a game & see his team at least score a goal from time to time.
Yet I wonder if the internet had existed then, it might well have been - we'd probably have been tearing lumps out of each other in the virtual world instead of getting together and eventually creating the Valley Party...
I expect I'll be told that I'm being naive, but I still hold out some hopes for this season. I still think we can save the day and that the drop isn't clear cut. I also think that in RD we have a Chairman with both the desire and the clout to rebuild the team should the worst happen.
It is a new era and there is a lot of work to do, a lot to fix.
I felt more depressed at Operation Ewood. A few of our players really, really impressed and excited me today. I won't even attempt at trying to spell their names, No.8, No.42 and young Poyet.
It's a new dawn at The Valley and we won't get anywhere with such negativity from our fans, whether after the game or after 2 mins of the kick off.
Rome wasn't built in a day, but it was destroyed in less than one.
Although I thought Poyet and the three new boys looked good today I didn't see a solution to the goal scoring problem and for the first time I feel as though we are powerless to prevent relegation.
Need Solly and Wiggins back.
Got a good group of youngsters.
New signings looking good.
Just need a bit of luck and a few goals.
Were not out of it yet. COYR's.