Some tried a very fine line on here when they ask for a fellow supporter to hung drawn and quartered for what he might of said. Then when a poor excuse for a player tweets a racist comment on tweeter he is defended very strange IMHO. Report a Charlton supporter to the O B never and over the years had I done it could be a lot worse than a spure of the moment comment
Just for some context could you give us a few examples of when you would and wouldn't report a CAFC suporter to the police then? Would it be okay to 'grass' if I saw one of ours battering his missus on the way to the ground or does he get a free pass 'cos you know, he is one if ours after all?
If I saw a Charlton supporter hitting a woman I would report him. Did I report those smashing car windows, scratching down the side of cars or snapping wing mirrors no I did not just like thousands of others who turned a blind eye. Did I report a man in his thirties that went up to a teenager in Floyed Road after the Palace and hit him in the face for no reason, like all those around me at the time no I did not. Are the comments made against Evina worthy of reporting to the Police I do not think so, go to the Police and tell them you have been attacked, threatened or racially abused and see how you get on.
If you can't tell the difference between a bloke making a humorous tweet to his followers about a woman on the telly fancying black blokes, and a man making monkey chants at a black bloke playing football, then you are an absolute fucking pilchard.
Was it a monkey chant or comments as you know it all
I certainly don't. However, it's been reported by people here that it was monkey chants. By people actually present at the incident. But that's ok, because it's more important that we stick together, don't grass up one of ours to the gavvers and deflect attention away from the incident.
Some tried a very fine line on here when they ask for a fellow supporter to hung drawn and quartered for what he might of said. Then when a poor excuse for a player tweets a racist comment on tweeter he is defended very strange IMHO. Report a Charlton supporter to the O B never and over the years had I done it could be a lot worse than a spure of the moment comment
Just for some context could you give us a few examples of when you would and wouldn't report a CAFC suporter to the police then? Would it be okay to 'grass' if I saw one of ours battering his missus on the way to the ground or does he get a free pass 'cos you know, he is one if ours after all?
If I saw a Charlton supporter hitting a woman I would report him. Did I report those smashing car windows, scratching down the side of cars or snapping wing mirrors no I did not just like thousands of others who turned a blind eye. Did I report a man in his thirties that went up to a teenager in Floyed Road after the Palace and hit him in the face for no reason, like all those around me at the time no I did not. Are the comments made against Evina worthy of reporting to the Police I do not think so, go to the Police and tell them you have been attacked, threatened or racially abused and see how you get on.
Four or five wrongs don't make a right. If we as a society were more pro-active in reporting crimes and following it through to appearing in court to testify against the scum in this world, it would be a better place all round.
Some tried a very fine line on here when they ask for a fellow supporter to hung drawn and quartered for what he might of said. Then when a poor excuse for a player tweets a racist comment on tweeter he is defended very strange IMHO. Report a Charlton supporter to the O B never and over the years had I done it could be a lot worse than a spure of the moment comment
Very strange.
How do you know the fan was making a "spur or the moment comment"?
Why shouldn't fans and players report people to the police if they are committing a crime? Especially a crime that hurts the club.
What does it matter how good or bad the player being abused is? Would it not be OK if it was Cousins?
You think Evina's harmless joke is racist but the fan making monkey gestures is OK as it was "spur of the moment".
As I say, very strange
Henry the expert What exactly did the fan do I reported a race crime to the Police just before Christmas an d the outcome your both adults kiss and make up so not a crime the Police take seriously. Hurts the club, so wrecking property outside Selhurst, throughing flares at the Den etc do not put Charlton in a good light but have had plenty of mention on here. Who do you think our fans are. We have our fair share of Racists, thugs, drunks, homophobes, fans on away days drugged up to there eyeballs. As for his comment on twitter a harmless joke yes right but only when it suites yor pathetic argument
Typically you make it personal and insult me rather than addressing the points. Why? Doesn't make you arguement any stronger, exactly the opposite.
What did the fan do - He made monkey gestures but you knew that as you knew it was a "spur of the moment comment" As I said strange
You report a race crime. Good so why are you complaining that someone else did the same?
Wrecking property outside Selhurst etc? Not sure what this has to do with racism but that was wrong, as I said at the time, and anyone who got arrested and charged for doing it deserves to be punished.
Yes, we have our share of racists, thugs, homophobes. And your point is? That is wrong and I have never defended those actions. We can stand up to it and maybe even change it if we try.
The twitter comment as harmless joke? Well are you "offended" by it? Does it upset you? Are you one of those people who are offended on behalf of other people that I keep hearing about on here?
Some tried a very fine line on here when they ask for a fellow supporter to hung drawn and quartered for what he might of said. Then when a poor excuse for a player tweets a racist comment on tweeter he is defended very strange IMHO. Report a Charlton supporter to the O B never and over the years had I done it could be a lot worse than a spure of the moment comment
Just for some context could you give us a few examples of when you would and wouldn't report a CAFC suporter to the police then? Would it be okay to 'grass' if I saw one of ours battering his missus on the way to the ground or does he get a free pass 'cos you know, he is one if ours after all?
If I saw a Charlton supporter hitting a woman I would report him. Did I report those smashing car windows, scratching down the side of cars or snapping wing mirrors no I did not just like thousands of others who turned a blind eye. Did I report a man in his thirties that went up to a teenager in Floyed Road after the Palace and hit him in the face for no reason, like all those around me at the time no I did not. Are the comments made against Evina worthy of reporting to the Police I do not think so, go to the Police and tell them you have been attacked, threatened or racially abused and see how you get on.
Four or five wrongs don't make a right. If we as a society were more pro-active in reporting crimes and following it through to appearing in court to testify against the scum in this world, it would be a better place all round.
You are spot on but tell me you must have seen a lot of our supporters step out of line over the years how many have you reported and why
Racist ABUSE is wrong. The same as any abuse is wrong. Can we just clarify going forward that racist jokes are okay though? Personally I've always thought they are - a joke is a joke to me -I'm not easily offended. I've just always got the impression on here that most jokes are okay - sexist jokes fine, homaphobic jibes/jokes etc fine but when it comes to race it's a big no no? Just checking.
Racist ABUSE is wrong. The same as any abuse is wrong. Can we just clarify going forward that racist jokes are okay though? Personally I've always thought they are - a joke is a joke to me -I'm not easily offended. I've just always got the impression on here that most jokes are okay - sexist jokes fine, homaphobic jibes/jokes etc fine but when it comes to race it's a big no no? Just checking.
No, racist/sexist/homophobic jokes are not OK IMO
Comments/jokes that mention race/gender/sexuality without denigrating, belittling or negatively stereotyping people are OK
IMO
And that's me out of here before this thread goes in every decreasing and depressing circles.
Racist ABUSE is wrong. The same as any abuse is wrong. Can we just clarify going forward that racist jokes are okay though? Personally I've always thought they are - a joke is a joke to me -I'm not easily offended. I've just always got the impression on here that most jokes are okay - sexist jokes fine, homaphobic jibes/jokes etc fine but when it comes to race it's a big no no? Just checking.
No, racist/sexist/homophobic jokes are not OK IMO
Comments/jokes that mention race/gender/sexuality without denigrating, belittling or negatively stereotyping people are OK
How thin is that line?
I have told and laughed at jokes that some will consider racist/sexist/homophobic and I will again. I'll wager that the majority of people of my generation and the generations ahead of me would be in the same camp. However racial abuse is not something that I get involved in and again I think I can comfortably speak for the majority of my age group. I still make comments that I see as harmless but are picked up on by my children with regard to racial issues. Not blatant racism of course, but just things that young people would never say or think. I like that. It shows that the world has changed for the better. Let's be honest, if you grew up in 1970's Britain, and I went from 5 to 15 in that decade, it is quite understandable that it has taken time for the majority of my age group to wise up. It's not just these politically correct issues that we have had to deal with, I'd just learnt about money and we went decimal and I was taught Imperial Measurements at Primary School only to have Metrification thrust upon me at Secondary School! We were taught things like this..... Two and quarter pounds of jam weigh about a kilogram. A meter measures 3 foot 3, it's longer a yard you see..... No wonder I am so f***ed up!
Hopefully, with our large ethnic population now, the kids now in primary school will teach us to be much more sensible about skin colour. My adult Grandchildren mix naturally with other nice people. The trouble is that todays yobs will probably become bad parents, so there is a need for schools to pay attention to teaching kids right from wrong.
An investigation remains open into allegations that a Charlton player was racially abused by a home supporter during Saturday’s match against Birmingham City.
Following a detailed examination of the available CCTV footage a suspect has now been identified and the club are currently working with police to locate them.
Charlton adopts a zero tolerance policy against racist behaviour and takes the allegations extremely seriously.
The club would also like to apologise to a supporter who was incorrectly identified in relation to the incident and passed on to local police on Saturday.
The individual concerned, who has been completely exonerated from any blame, accepts it was the result of a genuine error made in good faith and has offered his personal support to helping the club combat all forms of racism.
An investigation remains open into allegations that a Charlton player was racially abused by a home supporter during Saturday’s match against Birmingham City.
Following a detailed examination of the available CCTV footage a suspect has now been identified and the club are currently working with police to locate them.
Charlton adopts a zero tolerance policy against racist behaviour and takes the allegations extremely seriously.
The club would also like to apologise to a supporter who was incorrectly identified in relation to the incident and passed on to local police on Saturday.
The individual concerned, who has been completely exonerated from any blame, accepts it was the result of a genuine error made in good faith and has offered his personal support to helping the club combat all forms of racism.
Some tried a very fine line on here when they ask for a fellow supporter to hung drawn and quartered for what he might of said. Then when a poor excuse for a player tweets a racist comment on tweeter he is defended very strange IMHO. Report a Charlton supporter to the O B never and over the years had I done it could be a lot worse than a spure of the moment comment
Just for some context could you give us a few examples of when you would and wouldn't report a CAFC suporter to the police then? Would it be okay to 'grass' if I saw one of ours battering his missus on the way to the ground or does he get a free pass 'cos you know, he is one if ours after all?
If I saw a Charlton supporter hitting a woman I would report him. Did I report those smashing car windows, scratching down the side of cars or snapping wing mirrors no I did not just like thousands of others who turned a blind eye. Did I report a man in his thirties that went up to a teenager in Floyed Road after the Palace and hit him in the face for no reason, like all those around me at the time no I did not. Are the comments made against Evina worthy of reporting to the Police I do not think so, go to the Police and tell them you have been attacked, threatened or racially abused and see how you get on.
A small part B but thanks to all who did, including some on here who helped me with contacts and those who gave statements. Horrible few days out of the way.
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Did I report those smashing car windows, scratching down the side of cars or snapping wing mirrors no I did not just like thousands of others who turned a blind eye.
Did I report a man in his thirties that went up to a teenager in Floyed Road after the Palace and hit him in the face for no reason, like all those around me at the time no I did not.
Are the comments made against Evina worthy of reporting to the Police I do not think so, go to the Police and tell them you have been attacked, threatened or racially abused and see how you get on.
Typically you make it personal and insult me rather than addressing the points. Why? Doesn't make you arguement any stronger, exactly the opposite.
What did the fan do - He made monkey gestures but you knew that as you knew it was a "spur of the moment comment" As I said strange
You report a race crime. Good so why are you complaining that someone else did the same?
Wrecking property outside Selhurst etc? Not sure what this has to do with racism but that was wrong, as I said at the time, and anyone who got arrested and charged for doing it deserves to be punished.
Yes, we have our share of racists, thugs, homophobes. And your point is? That is wrong and I have never defended those actions. We can stand up to it and maybe even change it if we try.
The twitter comment as harmless joke? Well are you "offended" by it? Does it upset you? Are you one of those people who are offended on behalf of other people that I keep hearing about on here?
I've just always got the impression on here that most jokes are okay - sexist jokes fine, homaphobic jibes/jokes etc fine but when it comes to race it's a big no no? Just checking.
Comments/jokes that mention race/gender/sexuality without denigrating, belittling or negatively stereotyping people are OK
IMO
And that's me out of here before this thread goes in every decreasing and depressing circles.
Live, Love, Laugh and Be Happy everyone
I have told and laughed at jokes that some will consider racist/sexist/homophobic and I will again. I'll wager that the majority of people of my generation and the generations ahead of me would be in the same camp.
However racial abuse is not something that I get involved in and again I think I can comfortably speak for the majority of my age group.
I still make comments that I see as harmless but are picked up on by my children with regard to racial issues. Not blatant racism of course, but just things that young people would never say or think. I like that. It shows that the world has changed for the better.
Let's be honest, if you grew up in 1970's Britain, and I went from 5 to 15 in that decade, it is quite understandable that it has taken time for the majority of my age group to wise up.
It's not just these politically correct issues that we have had to deal with, I'd just learnt about money and we went decimal and I was taught Imperial Measurements at Primary School only to have Metrification thrust upon me at Secondary School! We were taught things like this..... Two and quarter pounds of jam weigh about a kilogram. A meter measures 3 foot 3, it's longer a yard you see.....
No wonder I am so f***ed up!
Following a detailed examination of the available CCTV footage a suspect has now been identified and the club are currently working with police to locate them.
Charlton adopts a zero tolerance policy against racist behaviour and takes the allegations extremely seriously.
The club would also like to apologise to a supporter who was incorrectly identified in relation to the incident and passed on to local police on Saturday.
The individual concerned, who has been completely exonerated from any blame, accepts it was the result of a genuine error made in good faith and has offered his personal support to helping the club combat all forms of racism.
No further comment will be made at this time.
Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20140212-club-statement-1356081.aspx#6WuBiab1iqvoif65.99
Well done to the club for admitting they got it wrong and apologising to the poor man who was arrested.
if so, hope he's apologised!
oh.