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Players Marks: Charlton v Birmingham

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  • What
    Oggy Red said:

    Here come all the jokers with their 2, 3 & 4s.

    Mark properly or don't bother to mark at all, please.




    I wasn't there yesterday and don't normally give scores, but do read with interest, peoples differing points of view. What I'd like to ask though is why is it such a problem to give low scores? We are in the bottom three of the championship, not playing well and not winning. It would seem that some see it as a form of treachery that even though performances are poor and we are getting beaten, some people don't give 7s,8s, 9s and 10s across the board. Those questioning low scores, what would you give? what constitutes a "proper" mark? Is it proper as long as you agree with it?
  • What

    Oggy Red said:

    Here come all the jokers with their 2, 3 & 4s.

    Mark properly or don't bother to mark at all, please.




    I wasn't there yesterday and don't normally give scores, but do read with interest, peoples differing points of view. What I'd like to ask though is why is it such a problem to give low scores? We are in the bottom three of the championship, not playing well and not winning. It would seem that some see it as a form of treachery that even though performances are poor and we are getting beaten, some people don't give 7s,8s, 9s and 10s across the board. Those questioning low scores, what would you give? what constitutes a "proper" mark? Is it proper as long as you agree with it?
    You make a good point so I'll try and answer it.

    I and a lot of posters try to mark like the papers do. Start with a "par" of 5 or 6 and add or deduct accordingly.

    The reason 1s and 2s 3s and 4s can be irritating is that whilst they are an expression of (often understandable) frustration the purpose of the thread, in my opinion, is to try and give an OBJECTIVE reflection of the performances of the Charlton players.

    Evina was poor yesterday and his attitude didn't appear great at times but that said Burke, his opposite number, would have even given Wiggins problems at times. Hence why the exceptionally low marks were not a fair, objective reflection in my opinion.

    For the record I gave Evina a 5 and I rarely mark below my "par" of 6 unless a player is exceptionally poor.
  • Thuram 6
    Wilson 7
    Morrison 6
    Wood 6
    Evina 4
    Cousins 6
    Poyet 7
    Ajdarevic 7
    Jackson 6
    Sordell 5
    Reza 7
  • THEMCA said:

    Kermy said:

    How the hell can anyone give Thuram 3. Absolutely pathetic. He did nothing wrong bar a couple of poor kicks



    Didn't you know? Thuram is our new scapegoat. ;-)
    That must be a joke he was absolutely terrible! Did nothing wrong?? Did nothing right. Kicking awful, shot stopping awful and to top it all off he couldn't catch a cold. 3 is generous. Worst goalkeeper I have seen in a charlton shirt


    he didn't do a thing wrong on sat, worst goalie you cant have been going long

  • LenGlover said:

    What

    Oggy Red said:

    Here come all the jokers with their 2, 3 & 4s.

    Mark properly or don't bother to mark at all, please.




    I wasn't there yesterday and don't normally give scores, but do read with interest, peoples differing points of view. What I'd like to ask though is why is it such a problem to give low scores? We are in the bottom three of the championship, not playing well and not winning. It would seem that some see it as a form of treachery that even though performances are poor and we are getting beaten, some people don't give 7s,8s, 9s and 10s across the board. Those questioning low scores, what would you give? what constitutes a "proper" mark? Is it proper as long as you agree with it?
    You make a good point so I'll try and answer it.

    I and a lot of posters try to mark like the papers do. Start with a "par" of 5 or 6 and add or deduct accordingly.

    The reason 1s and 2s 3s and 4s can be irritating is that whilst they are an expression of (often understandable) frustration the purpose of the thread, in my opinion, is to try and give an OBJECTIVE reflection of the performances of the Charlton players.

    Evina was poor yesterday and his attitude didn't appear great at times but that said Burke, his opposite number, would have even given Wiggins problems at times. Hence why the exceptionally low marks were not a fair, objective reflection in my opinion.

    For the record I gave Evina a 5 and I rarely mark below my "par" of 6 unless a player is exceptionally poor.
    Wiggins marked Burke out of the game when we played them last season

    If you start as 5 as par them Evina deserves a 2 or 3! It appears from your marking that you are happy to mark players up for doing somethjng good but not down. That's not a fair reflection but they are your marks so it's what you wanna do.
  • LenGlover said:

    What

    Oggy Red said:

    Here come all the jokers with their 2, 3 & 4s.

    Mark properly or don't bother to mark at all, please.




    I wasn't there yesterday and don't normally give scores, but do read with interest, peoples differing points of view. What I'd like to ask though is why is it such a problem to give low scores? We are in the bottom three of the championship, not playing well and not winning. It would seem that some see it as a form of treachery that even though performances are poor and we are getting beaten, some people don't give 7s,8s, 9s and 10s across the board. Those questioning low scores, what would you give? what constitutes a "proper" mark? Is it proper as long as you agree with it?
    You make a good point so I'll try and answer it.

    I and a lot of posters try to mark like the papers do. Start with a "par" of 5 or 6 and add or deduct accordingly.

    The reason 1s and 2s 3s and 4s can be irritating is that whilst they are an expression of (often understandable) frustration the purpose of the thread, in my opinion, is to try and give an OBJECTIVE reflection of the performances of the Charlton players.

    Evina was poor yesterday and his attitude didn't appear great at times but that said Burke, his opposite number, would have even given Wiggins problems at times. Hence why the exceptionally low marks were not a fair, objective reflection in my opinion.

    For the record I gave Evina a 5 and I rarely mark below my "par" of 6 unless a player is exceptionally poor.

    This.

    My par is 6 and for example Thuram didn't do anything too disastrous and wasn't at fault for either goal in my view so he got the par score. I too gave Ceddy a 5 for a bad overall performance but would only have gone lower if his bad performance had led to mistakes which had led to a goal or two.It is interesting to note even the Football League Paper gave him a 4.I try and add or deduct points according to the passages of play around the goals.

    However, I do understand how frustrated people are,especially when they mark on Saturday night straight after a game and I am sure my marks are not that scientific either. It is hard to be objective,which is why I probably mark up some players and mark down others.


  • you don't but the error was wood ducking and someone not tracking meaning a free header sq infront of goal from 6 or 7 yds not the poor fella in goal if we are going to blame people blame the right ones

    I did
  • Thuram 6 - Bit too casual, but nowhere near as bad as some had made out
    Wilson 7 - Played well as ever, a good attacking threat and I can't wait to have him back in RM
    Morrison 6 - Didn't stand out either way
    wood 6 - Really thought he could have maybe put a foot in for that second goal.
    Evina 3 - He tries but he is awful, would rather not see him in a Charlton shirt again
    Cousins 7 - Good, didn't do much wrong
    Poyet 7.5 - He's very good and very promising with maturity beyond his years. Impressed.
    Ajdarevic 8 -MOM, the ball stuck to his feet, and that acrobatic shot he had was one of the best shots I have seen at the vally.
    Jackson 6 - Off the pace, could possibly be a case of misplaced loyalty, although he is a better goalscorer than Church or Sordell.
    Sordell 3 - A hindrance, he occasionally did decent stuff, but we would have been far better off with someone else on the pitch
    Reza 6 - Don't dive son, you have enough talent to not have to

    Church n/a - Opposite of Sordell, crap but puts the effort in whereas Sordell is supposed to be good whereas he doesn't put in any effort (either that or someone at Bolton has been stitched up with that transfer)
    Green n/a - He reminds me of that kid in the playground who has to take every free kick, every corner etc or he will take his ball home, he just isn't that good, but he can inject flair into a game, he just loses the ball too easily and offers absolutely nothing defensively. I think he is a good player to bring on when we need to attack though, so I think that was a good choice on Saturday
    Parzyszek n/a Didn't see anything of him really, it was just a cameo and I doubt he is match fit yet, but judging by some peoples belief in him I thought that would be more than enough time for him to get a hat trick. I'm looking forward to his full debut though!!!
  • Thuram - 6
    Wilson - 7
    Morrison - 6.5
    wood - 7
    Evina - 6.5
    Cousins - 6.5
    Poyet - 8
    Ajdarevic - 8
    Jackson - 6.5
    Sordell - 6
    Reza - 7.5
  • edited February 2014
    Thuram 6.5
    Wilson 6.5
    Morrison 6
    wood 5
    Evina 5.5 (i understand everyone's bile, but he didn't do too badly against a tricky opponent. Neither goal down to him)
    Cousins 7
    Poyet 8
    Ajdarevic 7
    Jackson 6.5
    Sordell 6
    Reza 5 (loses a mark for the diving)
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  • But then last week Powell was slaughtered by some for not Bringing on Green and bringing on Dervite. I know the match was in different circumstances but really he seems to be damned if he does and damned if he don't.

    Yea true. But that is what happened. Harsh world really.
  • Thuram 4 Poor when it come to crosses and setting himself for free kicks etc.
    Wilson 5 Good going forwrd.
    Morrison 5
    wood 5
    Evina 5 better than of late.
    Cousins 7
    Poyet 8
    Ajdarevic 7
    Jackson 6
    Sordell 5 does not make the wright decisions.
    Reza 5 missed to many appurtunities to score.

  • Thuram - 6
    Wilson - 6
    Morrison - 5.5
    wood - 6
    Evina - 4
    Cousins - 7
    Poyet - 7.5
    Ajdarevic - 8.5 - MOM, absolutely class!
    Jackson - 6
    Sordell - 5
    Reza - 6

  • Thuram 5 Looked a bit shaky to me, must be a difficult for Morrison and Wood in front of him
    Wilson 6 Steady
    Morrison 5 Not at his best
    Wood 6 Better than Morrison this game. Our best centre half in my opinion
    Evina 4 Devoid of confidence, not sure where he goes to from here
    Cousins 6 Athletic as usual, right midfield not his strongest position
    Poyet 7 Very assured. Loads of composure for an 18 year old. Looks like he has a very bright future
    Ajdarevic 8 Just shaded MOM for me, looks a good passer and now he is picking up the pace of the game could be a real asset.
    Jackson 5 The skipper looks off the pace these days which is a real shame as he has loads of character.
    Sordell 4 I was hoping his goal at Wigan would transform him but sadly not based on Saturday.
    Reza 7 I was impressed and think when settled in could score a lot of goals for us.

    Green gets a 1 for me for being there. I thought his role was to play wide right, he then turns up down the left then started messing around in the middle of the field, got caught in possession and we were 2-0 down. How we need a quality wide midfielder.
    Church 5 ok
    Parzyszek sadly not on long enough to say.

  • Thuram 6 Despite the score he didn't have many saves to make but his kicking doesn't inspire at all
    Wilson 7 Tried hard to drag us back into it at 0-1
    Morrison 5.5 A coupe of shaky moments
    wood 7 Reads the game so well
    Evina 4.5 Started OK but lost his way again
    Cousins 6 Did a lot of things well but difficult being played out of position
    Poyet 7.5 Very composed. A couple of very perceptive passes from crowded situations and never looked out of his depth
    Ajdarevic 7.5 Grew into the game and showed his skill after a slowish start
    Jackson 6 Guess the games - and pitch - are catching up with him; unusually quiet
    Sordell 6.5 Thought he showed well sitting in behind Reza
    Reza 7 Offered a genuine threat in behind with his pace and strength. Don't know for sure if the card was merited but that was his third tumble in the box so I'd probably have applauded the ref if it had been an opponent
  • Thuram 5 - OK overall but poor kicking. Didn't feel the crowd took to him...
    Wilson 5 - Uninspiring
    Morrison 5 - Not up against much but failed to contain Macheda who he's played against twice already this season.
    Wood 6 - Better distribution than Morro, but not a great game
    Evina 4 - Offered little; some dreadful passing
    Cousins 6 - tried hard but right side does not suit; if only he could have beaten Randolph and scored...
    Poyet 7 - Good control and range of passing. A good home debut.
    Ajdarevic 7.5 (MoM) - Skillful and unlucky not to score. Looks a decent player if only we can use him to best effect.
    Jackson 4 - Invisible. Needs to be benched, but for who?
    Sordell 4 - Did get a few shots away but most posseession broke down when it got to him
    Reza 5 - Glimpses of a good player but should go for goal rather than fall over when in area!

  • Thuram - 6
    Wilson - 7
    Morrison - 6
    Wood - 5
    Evina -4
    Cousins -5
    Poyet -7
    Ajdarevic -8
    Jackson -4
    Sordell -5
    Reza -7
  • Thuram 6 didn't do much wrong - not at fault with goals and coped well in difficult weather conditions
    Wilson 6 not involved as much as usual
    Morrison 5 looked a bit shaky at times
    Wood 5 as above
    Evina 4 kept at it and not as bad as Huddersfield, but...
    Cousins 6 could have done better with first half effort
    Poyet 7.5 really composed - though a bit concerned at a few short passes in the mud in front of back four occasionally - almost got us into trouble once or twice
    Ajdarevic 8 impressed by flashes at Hudders, now liking what I see a lot - seems to really care too
    Jackson 7 thought he got stuck in well and did a lot - need his leadership too
    Sordell 5 not as bad as some are making out, but too selfish at times
    Reza 5 needs to get up to speed with physicality of English game
  • Thuram 6 - Did nothing wrong but was never confident. Kicking was poor.
    Wilson 6 - Delivery into the box needed to be better
    Morrison 6 Did nothing wrong
    wood 6 - Same as Morrison. Silly foul to give away for the first goal
    Evina 5 - Caught out of position and ball watching too often
    Cousins 6 - Looked far better when he moved inside. Fish out of water wide. Got to blame Powell for that one
    Poyet 8 - Someone that actually wants the ball. Everything went through him.
    Ajdarevic 7 - As with Poyet actually wants the ball. Was blowing for the last 15 minutes but still trying
    Jackson 5 - Was a passenger. Legs have gone a bit. Will still give you performances in a season but will also offer up Saturday's perfromance as well
    Sordell 4 - waste of space and even when he got the ball just too greedy.
    Reza - 7 - makes the right runs and always looking for the ball. Its not all over the top for him either. Must stay on his feet more. Promising.

    Church n/a
    Green n/a
    Parzyszek n/a
  • Thuram - 6. Shaky start but looked fairly comfortable in the end. Not to blame for the goals. If Hamer si fit though, he goes straight back in.
    Wilson - 7. I felt for the full-backs. They would get forward and then have no one to overlap with. Wilson was usual hard-working self though.
    Morrison - 7. Maybe could have done more for both goals, but I feel Wood was better placed to. He got forward well and did his best to take some pressure off of Thuram.
    Wood - 5. Poor and at fault for both goals.
    Evina - 4 - I don't think I can add anything to what's already been said.
    Cousins - 7.5 - Wasted on the right but still produced our best two chances
    Poyet - 8. Wow. He gave the ball away just once. He's our Pirlo. I'd like to see him play further forward.
    Ajdarevic - 7. Decent home debut. Needs some positional discipline but not sure whether it's him or Powell than hasn't worked out his best position yet. I'd suggest a number 10 role.
    Jackson - 6. Looked lost at times and struggled to keep up with the tempo of the game. It must be difficult playing with different midfield partners ever week. Let snot forget he's spent the majority of this season with Stephens.
    Sordell 6- He did actually hold the ball very well at times but he is far too selfish at times. He can play good passes in when he wants to and maybe this is a better option than hitting the ball straight into opposition players.
    Reza. 6.5 Undecided on him. he makes clever runs and he could jump for a header once in a while. He may have had a couple of goals on Saturday if he had. needs to cut out the diving asap. Hopefully that yellow card will see to that.
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  • Thuram - 6
    Wilson - 6.5
    Morrison - 6
    wood - 6
    Evina - 3.5
    Cousins - 6.5
    Poyet - 7
    Ajdarevic - 7
    Jackson - 5.5
    Sordell - 5
    Reza - 6.5
  • Thuram 5
    Wilson 6
    Morrison 6.5
    wood 6
    Evina 4
    Cousins 6
    Poyet 6
    Ajdarevic 7
    Jackson 5
    Sordell 5
    Reza 6

  • you don't but the error was wood ducking and someone not tracking meaning a free header sq infront of goal from 6 or 7 yds not the poor fella in goal if we are going to blame people blame the right ones




    I did



    well from the amount of 6's he is getting on here I would suggest your wrong, from the replays on the TV you are def wrong , the error was wood for ducking and whoever was supposed to track the forwards run
  • Thuram - 4.5, Awful kicking ability. Didn't have loads to do against brum but not convinced by him.

    Wilson - 5, He was ok

    Morrison - 6, solid. Done his job well as a CB. That's all you ask.

    wood - 6

    Evina - 4.5, strangely not the worst game hes had. A decent 1st half defensive display but was as solid as liquid gas 2nd half. He can't go forward either, miss Wiggins.

    Cousins - 6

    Poyet - 7, really impressive home debut. Can clearly read the game and was completely unfazed. Potentially great player.

    Ajdarevic - 6.5, worthy of a better mark in a way but end of the day it's key passes and results that count.

    Jackson - 6.5, Had good players around him which improved our captains performance. Comfortable,all round good midfield display.

    Sordell - 3.5, he should be N/a like the subs

    Reza - 5.5, Went down too easily. His ability to find space and lose his marker was good. Good in the hole, but nothing meaningful which is what we need.

    Church n/a
    Green n/a
    Parzyszek n/a
  • The critic of Jackson surprises me. Best game he had for a while.
  • Thuram 6
    Wilson 4
    Morrison 5
    wood 6
    Evina 3
    Cousins 6
    Poyet 7
    Ajdarevic 7
    Jackson 5
    Sordell 5
    Reza 6
  • Thuram - 5
    Wilson - 5
    Morrison - 6
    wood - 5
    Evina - 4
    Cousins - 6
    Poyet - 9 -simply brilliant, such calm composure on the ball and it was his debut!
    Ajdarevic - 7
    Jackson - 4
    Sordell - 3
    Reza - 6
  • Thuram 6

    Wilson 6
    Morrison 6
    Wood 7
    Evian 4 such a shame about ceddy.think there is a good little footballer in there somewhere but don't think were going to see it.woeful game.

    Cousins 6.5 out of position but still gave his all.
    Jackson 4 thanks jj you've been brilliant but surely must be game over now.
    Poyet 8 another class find.
    Adjervic 8.5 Mom. at the centre of everything we did.really like him.

    Sordell 4.5 oh Marvin you let yourself down.
    Reza 7.5 looks a good player and hopefully goals will come soon.

  • that's it for marks, stats to follow
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