Whichever way you look at it,it was dumb to sell Kerm without having a replacement already through the door.No excuse for that.
I think people dont realise that RD didnt just come in and say 'im going to sell yann' he was offered a deal and said no, he apparently refused to play in the hudds match as it would trigger an extension. Bournemouth came in with 400k which charlton accepted after they refused to be held to ransom by him. Wasnt all this done in the last week/days of the window if we thought yann was going to accept his new two year contract there would be no need to line up a replacement. We will never know if we put in a transfer for other strikers but they turned us down, but its hard to bring someone in as a replacement with two or three days to go in the window if we thought that the contract offer was sufficient.
Roland transfer dealings have been poor IMO. I see PL54, Yann and Adam Addick have laughed at comment above. Come on then explain to me how the team is stronger than when he came in. Not impressed.
I am see it is the not allowed to pass critical opinion on Roland time.
(This has feck all to do with Powell or Riga or coach. It is about the owners and management team. How the feck has the right midfield weakness not been addressed ? Where is the plan B and C when the players they tried for fell through ?).
Maybe he started at the other end of the alphabet and if so there's a while to go yet before we get to plan C let alone B :-0
I am glad that you have such faith in how hard the Duchalet team were trying. Too late for this season though Huh ?
Now you see you've gone straight on the attack there when I don't have a view one way or the other at the moment, and you know for sure do you that they weren't trying? Give me some hard facts not circumstantial, jumping to conclusions crap and I might be persuaded. There's 11 games to go, loads of football, our destiny is in our own hands we need a point a game, so let's say four wins to keep it simple but whatever happens I've already got my season ticket for next season.
Kay sera sera, strap yourself in, its going to be a bumpy ride but beyond our control and all the whinging in the world ain't gonna change a thing but If you enjoy it carry on I'm out.
Messi turned us down because there was to much winging on CL.We have gone for some good quality players can't see why people still moaning. If they don't want to come to us what you want us to do hold them at gun point?
Whichever way you look at it,it was dumb to sell Kerm without having a replacement already through the door.No excuse for that.
I think people dont realise that RD didnt just come in and say 'im going to sell yann' he was offered a deal and said no, he apparently refused to play in the hudds match as it would trigger an extension. Bournemouth came in with 400k which charlton accepted after they refused to be held to ransom by him. Wasnt all this done in the last week/days of the window if we thought yann was going to accept his new two year contract there would be no need to line up a replacement. We will never know if we put in a transfer for other strikers but they turned us down, but its hard to bring someone in as a replacement with two or three days to go in the window if we thought that the contract offer was sufficient.
Hmmm a fair few assumptions in there Adam. Whatever way you cut it - it was undeniably stupid to sell our talisman. Weirdest transfer in my 30 years of supporting Charlton.
Whichever way you look at it,it was dumb to sell Kerm without having a replacement already through the door.No excuse for that.
I think people dont realise that RD didnt just come in and say 'im going to sell yann' he was offered a deal and said no, he apparently refused to play in the hudds match as it would trigger an extension. Bournemouth came in with 400k which charlton accepted after they refused to be held to ransom by him. Wasnt all this done in the last week/days of the window if we thought yann was going to accept his new two year contract there would be no need to line up a replacement. We will never know if we put in a transfer for other strikers but they turned us down, but its hard to bring someone in as a replacement with two or three days to go in the window if we thought that the contract offer was sufficient.
Hmmm a fair few assumptions in there Adam. Whatever way you cut it - it was undeniably stupid to sell our talisman. Weirdest transfer in my 30 years of supporting Charlton.
fair enough but the o/s said we offered him a deal, he turned it down so we sold to bournemouth for a good fee, a day or two before the window shut.
if he had been sold 2 weeks before and we had time to get someone in then i would be pissed off, but you can hardly get a deal done to bring in a good striker to a club in the relegation zone and a shit pitch within 48 hours.
Whichever way you look at it,it was dumb to sell Kerm without having a replacement already through the door.No excuse for that.
I think people dont realise that RD didnt just come in and say 'im going to sell yann' he was offered a deal and said no, he apparently refused to play in the hudds match as it would trigger an extension. Bournemouth came in with 400k which charlton accepted after they refused to be held to ransom by him. Wasnt all this done in the last week/days of the window if we thought yann was going to accept his new two year contract there would be no need to line up a replacement. We will never know if we put in a transfer for other strikers but they turned us down, but its hard to bring someone in as a replacement with two or three days to go in the window if we thought that the contract offer was sufficient.
Hmmm a fair few assumptions in there Adam. Whatever way you cut it - it was undeniably stupid to sell our talisman. Weirdest transfer in my 30 years of supporting Charlton.
I find it astounding how people were very happy for yann to try to hold a gun to our heads over his wages and ignore the fact he was " injured" against huds but play against donny the last game before the window shut
Negating his contract extension putting our fa cup run at risk and trying to force through the issue to his favour
Personally I think it showed RD has the bravery required to manage our club
And the fact that people think because it was yann that made the action ok
Roland transfer dealings have been poor IMO. I see PL54, Yann and Adam Addick have laughed at comment above. Come on then explain to me how the team is stronger than when he came in. Not impressed.
I am see it is the not allowed to pass critical opinion on Roland time.
(This has feck all to do with Powell or Riga or coach. It is about the owners and management team. How the feck has the right midfield weakness not been addressed ? Where is the plan B and C when the players they tried for fell through ?).
when you put in offers to pay all of connor wickhams wages, or deals for leon best, swp, chris eagles but they dont want to come here you call that RD's incompetence ?
The incompetence is selling the core of tge team with no replacements lined up.
Roland transfer dealings have been poor IMO. I see PL54, Yann and Adam Addick have laughed at comment above. Come on then explain to me how the team is stronger than when he came in. Not impressed.
I am see it is the not allowed to pass critical opinion on Roland time.
(This has feck all to do with Powell or Riga or coach. It is about the owners and management team. How the feck has the right midfield weakness not been addressed ? Where is the plan B and C when the players they tried for fell through ?).
Maybe he started at the other end of the alphabet and if so there's a while to go yet before we get to plan C let alone B :-0
I am glad that you have such faith in how hard the Duchalet team were trying. Too late for this season though Huh ?
Now you see you've gone straight on the attack there when I don't have a view one way or the other at the moment, and you know for sure do you that they weren't trying? Give me some hard facts not circumstantial, jumping to conclusions crap and I might be persuaded. There's 11 games to go, loads of football, our destiny is in our own hands we need a point a game, so let's say four wins to keep it simple but whatever happens I've already got my season ticket for next season.
Kay sera sera, strap yourself in, its going to be a bumpy ride but beyond our control and all the whinging in the world ain't gonna change a thing but If you enjoy it carry on I'm out.
Apologies there Red Chaser, not intended to be on the attack there.
It is not whinging but disappointment that the key areas where Charlton needed to strengthen has happened.
For family illness reasons I have not been able to get to a high number of games this season. I am a season ticket holder. I was looking on the fridge at the fixture list this evening, the last home victory I have seen was 31st August against Leicester City. There is a whole bunch of dismal defeats on a shit pitch with very few goals. It is no surprise that I am disappointed.
Charlton are my team though and I will support them to the end of my days.
The next few months will evidence whether Duchatelet will put in sufficient investment, have a well executed and decent strategy that keeps our great young players like Jordan Cousins and encourage Diego Poyet to stay a bit longer. A good strategy to attract decent players to the club with a clear sound strategy. I want to see Duchatelet to do business in a timely fashion. Carry out a decent strategy and enable Charlton to challenge for the play offs for the premiership.
I will be a very happy Charlton supporter if this was to happen.
I would have preferred at least two more players coming in - a target man and a proper right-winger - but in all fairness it is very, very hard to bring good players in on short-term deals.
As others have commented players like Eagles - out of contract in the summer - might decide to just sit tight at Bolton on the bench and not take the risk of getting injured on a short term loan to us and then be an injured free agent in June.
As I have said previously you will be able to judge RD much more clearly by the team that takes the field in August - whatever division we are in - that's when we will see what all this is really about.
From what I saw on Tuesday night vff Riga made it clear that we need to keep possession, look comfortable on the ball, remain organised and grow in confidence and that's what we did. What I don't see presently is the long ball down the channel for Church to chase aimlessly or previously Yann to challenge for in the air with a flick on that rarely found a CAFC player with the end result that we continually gave away possession cheaply and found ourselves constantly on the back foot. Riga deserves credit for the obvious changes he has made to our playing style with a limited squad that is playing to its collective strengths. It is no doubt our league position that discourages players having the balls to join us for the fight. Three points above the bottom three, three games in hand yet to play Yeovil and Barnsley things remain hopeful
From what I saw on Tuesday night vff Riga made it clear that we need to keep possession, look comfortable on the ball, remain organised and grow in confidence and that's what we did. What I don't see presently is the long ball down the channel for Church to chase aimlessly or previously Yann to challenge for in the air with a flick on that rarely found a CAFC player with the end result that we continually gave away possession cheaply and found ourselves constantly on the back foot. Riga deserves credit for the obvious changes he has made to our playing style with a limited squad that is playing to its collective strengths. It is no doubt our league position that discourages players having the balls to join us for the fight. Three points above the bottom three, three games in hand yet to play Yeovil and Barnsley things remain hopeful
The playing style under Riga, I have no problems with. Hopefully, whoever is coaching us (I think Riga is destined for a different role at Charlton) will continue with that as it will enable the Academy and Under 21 players to fit more seamlessly with the first team. It is important for the club not to be relegated this season as we may have some chance of keeping some of the better players that we do have.
If all of the above is accurate than is Yann the only player in history to refuse to play for a club, forcing through a move elsewhere purely based on wages, whilst damaging the league status and wembley possibility of the club that rescued his career to then get a heros welcome when he returns with an opposing team a few weeks later?
If all of the above is accurate than is Yann the only player in history to refuse to play for a club, forcing through a move elsewhere purely based on wages, whilst damaging the league status and wembley possibility of the club that rescued his career to then get a heros welcome when he returns with an opposing team a few weeks later?
If TJ and Slater had given him the deal he wanted and deserved at that time then none of it would be an issue and he would still be here
However they never , he played his cards and played them how he saw fit RD didn't call his bluff nor raise him he folded and said no probs you win this hand and then sold him for 400k before we lost him for nothing
I think it's fair to conclude that Yann was a big Powell fan and rightly so and that had Yann still been here and RD sacked Powell then maybe yann would not recover so quickly from injury and RD felt it was right to move him on whilst he could
It's no big deal really yann done really well for us I enjoyed his time here he certainly enjoyed it but no one is bigger than cafc not yann Powell or RD and that's the main point
Yann has moved on let us move on. he was good but he was not by a long way the best striker we have ever had as some seem to believe. He could not be relied on to be injury free for any length of time and he was limited in heading ability failing much of the time to find Charlton players with flick ons. He was poorly serviced by our failure to have wingers capable of crossing decent balls and he if he was still here in their absence in my view contribute little in the goal scoring department.
@vff No harm done my tongue in cheek comment drew your fire whilst you were on a roll.
Like a lot on here the failure to secure some of the loan targets dissappointed me as well and I had much man love for CP and Yann but RD has taken on a ball of knitting and I wonder whether he anticipated the size of the task with the contracts, pitch and squad strengthening. NLA certainly puts another slant on the Yann situation and don't forget CP was offered a contract albeit not on the terms he wanted. But I am prepared to cut RD a little bit of slack and he did provide the new influx of players irrespective of their ability compared to those that departed and also brought about a change of manager.
Let's no forget he's been at the helm for 3 months ish and has done more than the previous cowboys, who shafted CP, this season. He is an extremely successful businessman who I expect will be a hard negotiator and whenever I was put on the spot for a quick decision at work, without all the facts, I gave the shortest one possible NO. In other words if he is going to chuck his money down the drain he wants to do it in his own time. Too many maverick Chairman of football clubs have taken them to the brink of extinction, I think RD is too cute for that.
I'm a glass half full man and understand your personal issues can put everything else into perspective. Don't worry if your fears regarding relegation play out in the next few months no point crying over spilt milk it's beyond our control and only makes you worse. I'll get off the fence in another 6 months time but meanwhile the team, the club and that means RD, needs our support now more than ever so we need you there especially against Yeovil and Barnsley if you can manage to get a break for a couple of hours. Good luck and COYRs
Now the window has officially closed. I understand that is that regarding players coming in. I am completely underwhelmed by the Roland transfer dealings. It has not addressed weaknesses in the team. An addition of a striker and right midfield would have seen Charlton easily safe. The only striker, I am happy with is the return of Obika. If Charlton manage to stay up it will be more down to luck than from any competence from Roland and his team.
Predictable response. You & Athletico haven't stopped whinging for about a month :-)
If we stay up it won't be luck. Riga's doing a lot better than Powell, it saddens me to say.
Jeez Louise. Not fecking true. It has nothing to do with the whole Riga vs Powell thing. Roland should have been decisive and changed manager / coach in January which I have consistently said on CL. Not impressed by Roland's player dealings. It does not fill me with hope that the strategy is going to be well executed in the future. I support the club and am OK with Riga. Not impressed with the lack of strengthening in the team.
I doubt many are impressed with the lack of signings, but we have gone for some top names, who have declined us & it's been well documented. It's not for the want of trying it would seem.
Wickham - we agreed to pay all of his considerable wages, but he didn't want to head south.
Best - ditto, but he didn't want to head south, as his girlfriend is pregnant.
SWP - Stonking rich, ex-England international, doesn't want to join us. Hardly a surprise.
Williams - didn't want to join Palace's rivals. Went to Ipswich, even though we outbid them.
Becchio - didn't want to come, not sure why.
Eagles didn't want to come, although terms agreed with Bolton.
SWP, Eagles, Becchio, Gradel - these would be experienced, quality on paper signings. Even more so than all the players Millwall lashed out on last summer, which is going well for them. If RD is prepared to spend money then fair enough, but it must be spent smartly. We will see in the summer I suppose
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Kay sera sera, strap yourself in, its going to be a bumpy ride but beyond our control and all the whinging in the world ain't gonna change a thing but If you enjoy it carry on I'm out.
Whatever way you cut it - it was undeniably stupid to sell our talisman.
Weirdest transfer in my 30 years of supporting Charlton.
if he had been sold 2 weeks before and we had time to get someone in then i would be pissed off, but you can hardly get a deal done to bring in a good striker to a club in the relegation zone and a shit pitch within 48 hours.
Negating his contract extension putting our fa cup run at risk and trying to force through the issue to his favour
Personally I think it showed RD has the bravery required to manage our club
And the fact that people think because it was yann that made the action ok
It is not whinging but disappointment that the key areas where Charlton needed to strengthen has happened.
For family illness reasons I have not been able to get to a high number of games this season. I am a season ticket holder. I was looking on the fridge at the fixture list this evening, the last home victory I have seen was 31st August against Leicester City. There is a whole bunch of dismal defeats on a shit pitch with very few goals. It is no surprise that I am disappointed.
Charlton are my team though and I will support them to the end of my days.
The next few months will evidence whether Duchatelet will put in sufficient investment, have a well executed and decent strategy that keeps our great young players like Jordan Cousins and encourage Diego Poyet to stay a bit longer. A good strategy to attract decent players to the club with a clear sound strategy. I want to see Duchatelet to do business in a timely fashion. Carry out a decent strategy and enable Charlton to challenge for the play offs for the premiership.
I will be a very happy Charlton supporter if this was to happen.
As others have commented players like Eagles - out of contract in the summer - might decide to just sit tight at Bolton on the bench and not take the risk of getting injured on a short term loan to us and then be an injured free agent in June.
As I have said previously you will be able to judge RD much more clearly by the team that takes the field in August - whatever division we are in - that's when we will see what all this is really about.
If TJ and Slater had given him the deal he wanted and deserved at that time then none of it would be an issue and he would still be here
However they never , he played his cards and played them how he saw fit RD didn't call his bluff nor raise him he folded and said no probs you win this hand and then sold him for 400k before we lost him for nothing
I think it's fair to conclude that Yann was a big Powell fan and rightly so and that had Yann still been here and RD sacked Powell then maybe yann would not recover so quickly from injury and RD felt it was right to move him on whilst he could
It's no big deal really yann done really well for us I enjoyed his time here he certainly enjoyed it but no one is bigger than cafc not yann Powell or RD and that's the main point
Like a lot on here the failure to secure some of the loan targets dissappointed me as well and I had much man love for CP and Yann but RD has taken on a ball of knitting and I wonder whether he anticipated the size of the task with the contracts, pitch and squad strengthening. NLA certainly puts another slant on the Yann situation and don't forget CP was offered a contract albeit not on the terms he wanted. But I am prepared to cut RD a little bit of slack and he did provide the new influx of players irrespective of their ability compared to those that departed and also brought about a change of manager.
Let's no forget he's been at the helm for 3 months ish and has done more than the previous cowboys, who shafted CP, this season. He is an extremely successful businessman who I expect will be a hard negotiator and whenever I was put on the spot for a quick decision at work, without all the facts, I gave the shortest one possible NO. In other words if he is going to chuck his money down the drain he wants to do it in his own time. Too many maverick Chairman of football clubs have taken them to the brink of extinction, I think RD is too cute for that.
I'm a glass half full man and understand your personal issues can put everything else into perspective. Don't worry if your fears regarding relegation play out in the next few months no point crying over spilt milk it's beyond our control and only makes you worse. I'll get off the fence in another 6 months time but meanwhile the team, the club and that means RD, needs our support now more than ever so we need you there especially against Yeovil and Barnsley if you can manage to get a break for a couple of hours. Good luck and COYRs
SWP, Eagles, Becchio, Gradel - these would be experienced, quality on paper signings. Even more so than all the players Millwall lashed out on last summer, which is going well for them. If RD is prepared to spend money then fair enough, but it must be spent smartly. We will see in the summer I suppose