open up the east and they'll be as many stewards as people (and end up costing the club money), of course its sensible to only open the NL and WL, there won't be any need for any more seats
nope - ok, open the east and west lower only and shut the north, to be honest I don't particularly care, they might as well play it behind closed doors to save people the hassle of actually watching it
Why should anybody pay any money to the club at the moment when it's only going to help Jiminez and his steadily mounting debt and not to securing contracts.
If it's any consolation Beds, 16.67% goes to HMRC by way of VAT. Then the away team get 45% of Net Receipts and the FA get 10%. I doubt it will benefit Jimenez much!
Why worry about which stands they close, the club have to keep costs down and with only 2-3000 turning up for the game then closing a stand or two is the correct thing to do.
Don't recall these type of threads being started about the "madness" of previous stand closures. It's not like this is the first cup game that we've done it.
It's the East stand being closed that has put a few peoples noses out of joint.
Wot happens if the hoards of charlton fans decide to turn up on the day and the crowd ends up being 15 - 20,000 , ok its a big if but say the magic of the cup brings em all out of the woodwork ?
Seems like quite a lot of overreaction to me. Pretty sure they closed everything except the West Lower and Jimmy Seed Stand for some of the JPT games.
We'll get a poor crowd for this because of our cup history, the standard of opposition and the fact that most clubs comparable to us struggle to get decent crowds for games like this these days. Can't really understand why not being able to sit in your normal seat would stop you from going - they're all made out of the same cheap plastic and the view from the West is pretty similar to the view in the East.
Free entry to Crossbars as well, might give that a try.
It's not a JPT or League Cup match on a Tuesday night, it's the FA Cup on a Saturday. There is still a difference. The club doesn't know and won't know until the kick-off how many home fans are coming, because everyone has to buy and many do so on the day
I agree that it's unlikely to be more than 7,500, but it's likely to be more than 5,000, although that could be affected by a takeover (which remains inevitable in my opinion) and results in the meantime.
Most will choose to sit on the side of the pitch rather than low down behind the north goal. In addition to what I said before, the more full a stand becomes the lower the catering spend per supporter because of congestion. So the club will take less per spectator by forcing people into the west.
Also when the club forced people into the lower west for the JPT there were a lot of issues on the day as people didn't sit in allocated seats. That's why it wasn't repeated.
I don't suppose it matters that much in the grand scheme of things, but since when did that become a reason not to discuss it.
Wasn't saying we shouldn't discuss it at all, just surprised that so many people have got worked up about it - I don't recall the same reaction from North and West Upper patrons when those stands have been closed for cup games (like against Huddersfield last season).
Agree that a takeover completion in the run-up to could have a significant impact on the gate. Is it feasible to make a late/on-the-day decision to open one of the closed areas? Presume West Upper would be the most straightforward to open at short notice.
It's not a JPT or League Cup match on a Tuesday night, it's the FA Cup on a Saturday. There is still a difference. The club doesn't know and won't know until the kick-off how many home fans are coming, because everyone has to buy and many do so on the day
I agree that it's unlikely to be more than 7,500, but it's likely to be more than 5,000, although that could be affected by a takeover (which remains inevitable in my opinion) and results in the meantime.
Most will choose to sit on the side of the pitch rather than low down behind the north goal. In addition to what I said before, the more full a stand becomes the lower the catering spend per supporter because of congestion. So the club will take less per spectator by forcing people into the west.
Also when the club forced people into the lower west for the JPT there were a lot of issues on the day as people didn't sit in allocated seats. That's why it wasn't repeated.
I don't suppose it matters that much in the grand scheme of things, but since when did that become a reason not to discuss it.
BECAUSE ITS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HAVE A DIG AT THE CLUB AND IT'S BORING
I don't think it's boring and I think it needs discussing by those interested in doing so. I'm pretty pee'd off. JPT or midweek League Cup game then fine if needs be. But FA Cup 3rd Round on a Saturday?. All it says to me is don't bother coming, we don't expect you to, we are not taking it seriously, neither should you and ps don't expect a team to show up because they are not taking it seriously either. Gonna backfire on the day. People in wrong seats, people turn up wanting five together so can't get them so will just sit together anyway. Crowded bars/refeshments means less sold, queue's for toilets etc etc. All avoidable. Whoever made this decision got it badly wrong imo.
I don't see what all the fuss is about. As someone above mentioned the upper north and west were shut for the 3rd round game against Huddersfield last year and didn't cause any issues. Also the upper west was shut for the Luton cup tie a few years ago too.
I sit in the upper west, ok I had to sit somewhere else, no big deal is it?
Seems people just want to have a moan.
If we opened the whole ground and only 5,000 turned up then someone will have comment about wasting money on stewards etc.
I don't think it's boring and I think it needs discussing by those interested in doing so. I'm pretty pee'd off. JPT or midweek League Cup game then fine if needs be. But FA Cup 3rd Round on a Saturday?. All it says to me is don't bother coming, we don't expect you to, we are not taking it seriously, neither should you and ps don't expect a team to show up because they are not taking it seriously either. Gonna backfire on the day. People in wrong seats, people turn up wanting five together so can't get them so will just sit together anyway. Crowded bars/refeshments means less sold, queue's for toilets etc etc. All avoidable. Whoever made this decision got it badly wrong imo.
Why is the closure of the East Stand so much more problematic than the closure of the North Upper and West Upper though?
Don't understand your perception that this is an indication that the team won't be taking it seriously either - pretty sure Powell didn't have any input in this decision. The teams performance and the clubs ticketing policy are not connected. Granted we'll probably lose, just as we do every year whether there's 2 stands open, 3 stands open or 4 stands open.
We got 6,657 for an all-Championship clash against Huddersfield last season, we're unlikely to get more home support against a League 2 side that we've already played this season. Don't understand the uproar.
Can't we blimmin well switch the tie to the kazaaaaaaaaaam stadium then there is no trouble for our poor club, and we get to see a new ground. I would prefer that to losing my seat, a personal opinion admittedly. The finances as described by Airman make the decision alienating to some of us, even if others see our reaction as pathetic.
Don't recall these type of threads being started about the "madness" of previous stand closures. It's not like this is the first cup game that we've done it.
first FA Cup tie we've done it
But if the economics are the same, I'm not sure why that matters. With the ongoing decline in interest in the FA Cup I can't really see any reason to criticise the approach if the crowds are comparable.
'We got 6,657 for an all-Championship clash against Huddersfield last season, we're unlikely to get more home support against a League 2 side that we've already played this season. Don't understand the uproar'
lets assume 5,500 were home fans. If those all turn up again then the West Lower and North Lower are gonna be pretty rammed. It's also false economy as AB succiently pointed out. It's not about the East being closed, although it is unprecented, but the lack of space. There will be plenty of moans afterwards ie couldn't sit together, someone in my seat wouldn't move, queue for bogs at h/t, queue for food.
With the exception of the lower West and the Jimmy Seed we have closed different parts of the ground for FA cup ties for a good few years now. Suddenly because it is the East this is serious and people will not turn up Don't remember the same reaction to the Covered End being shut, maybe those supporters don't count. Cannot believe people can get so wound up by a seat, watch it from the West, you might enjoy the other view.
Non issue, when there are so many others that could be raised with the club.
Don't remember the same reaction to the Covered End being shut, maybe those supporters don't count.
if there was no reaction then maybe they didn't care, maybe they were not going to go anyway or maybe they were happy to be able to watch a game from a better vantage point for a change
The only good thing about the East Stand being closed, is that when one of the Executive boxes is full of celebrating away supporters, they won't be any conflict with home fans...
'Sweat the asset' has been quoted on this issue. Do we know which club asset made this good or bad decision (depending on your opinion), so we can give some sweaty feedback?
With the east stand being closed, what time will the game end? It's going to take about five mins for the ball boy to get the ball back for a throw in.
Wasn't saying we shouldn't discuss it at all, just surprised that so many people have got worked up about it - I don't recall the same reaction from North and West Upper patrons when those stands have been closed for cup games (like against Huddersfield last season).
Agree that a takeover completion in the run-up to could have a significant impact on the gate. Is it feasible to make a late/on-the-day decision to open one of the closed areas? Presume West Upper would be the most straightforward to open at short notice.
The funny thing is that with that number of seats open against the expected crowd the safety team will need to have a contingency plan and extra staff to cover it anyway, although it may be the upper west.
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We'll get a poor crowd for this because of our cup history, the standard of opposition and the fact that most clubs comparable to us struggle to get decent crowds for games like this these days. Can't really understand why not being able to sit in your normal seat would stop you from going - they're all made out of the same cheap plastic and the view from the West is pretty similar to the view in the East.
Free entry to Crossbars as well, might give that a try.
I agree that it's unlikely to be more than 7,500, but it's likely to be more than 5,000, although that could be affected by a takeover (which remains inevitable in my opinion) and results in the meantime.
Most will choose to sit on the side of the pitch rather than low down behind the north goal. In addition to what I said before, the more full a stand becomes the lower the catering spend per supporter because of congestion. So the club will take less per spectator by forcing people into the west.
Also when the club forced people into the lower west for the JPT there were a lot of issues on the day as people didn't sit in allocated seats. That's why it wasn't repeated.
I don't suppose it matters that much in the grand scheme of things, but since when did that become a reason not to discuss it.
Agree that a takeover completion in the run-up to could have a significant impact on the gate. Is it feasible to make a late/on-the-day decision to open one of the closed areas? Presume West Upper would be the most straightforward to open at short notice.
BECAUSE ITS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HAVE A DIG AT THE CLUB AND IT'S BORING
I sit in the upper west, ok I had to sit somewhere else, no big deal is it?
Seems people just want to have a moan.
If we opened the whole ground and only 5,000 turned up then someone will have comment about wasting money on stewards etc.
Don't understand your perception that this is an indication that the team won't be taking it seriously either - pretty sure Powell didn't have any input in this decision. The teams performance and the clubs ticketing policy are not connected. Granted we'll probably lose, just as we do every year whether there's 2 stands open, 3 stands open or 4 stands open.
We got 6,657 for an all-Championship clash against Huddersfield last season, we're unlikely to get more home support against a League 2 side that we've already played this season. Don't understand the uproar.
I would prefer that to losing my seat, a personal opinion admittedly. The finances as described by Airman make the decision alienating to some of us, even if others see our reaction as pathetic.
lets assume 5,500 were home fans. If those all turn up again then the West Lower and North Lower are gonna be pretty rammed. It's also false economy as AB succiently pointed out. It's not about the East being closed, although it is unprecented, but the lack of space. There will be plenty of moans afterwards ie couldn't sit together, someone in my seat wouldn't move, queue for bogs at h/t, queue for food.
Non issue, when there are so many others that could be raised with the club.