94% behind CP??!! maybe you should ask a bigger section of support than your mates!
At best its maybe 60/40 and I think that's waining.
Can somebody please tell me why there is this support?
And don't go using the board as a kop out, others have achieved more and other clubs with a lot less.
How do you get "at best it is 60\40?
You have just guessed\made that up but the people voting here say 94%. There are something like 6000 members on here so not sure why the "just your mates" comment? Is it that you just don't agree with the majority so feel you have to dismiss everyone else?
Have you own opinion, sure, but don't pretend that it is anything more than just your opinion.
If you believe in what you say then it doesn't matter if 1% or 100% agree.
6,000 on here you say? 110 have shown their support. I make that more like 1.8% rather than 90 odd. I guess numbers not your strong point?
There is enough instability and uncertainty at the club already, sacking Powell would only compound that. We've seen what Powell can do with a team that matches the quality of the division - we ran away with the title.
This team is NOT a Championship team. Fair play to the effort of the players, they run their little socks off, but they just aren't up to it. If we go down, blame the board for lack of investment. If we stay up, congratulate Powell on performing another miracle.
I'm still yet to see a sensible and realistic suggestion to replace Powell. Who is gonna want to come here with this crappy board anyway? Everyone knows they aren't interested and want out. This crap affects players, so does the fact that people's contracts are running down.
It's mis-management by those at the top causing these problems.
To become an exprienced manager you always need a first time of going through this sort of situation. Surely?
Yeah that's right, let him learn his trade at Charlton, then when he starts getting it right, someone further up the leagues comes in for him and good old Charlton have been fucked over again.
Another point; what if CP does walk before he's pushed, that'll leave us in an even worse position than if its done on the Clubs terms. As someone said further up the thread, some thing has gotta give, I'd prefer Charlton, as a club, to come out of it the best way possible.
I don't normally comment on all the threads on different forums about whether he should be sacked or not, but there is quite clearly a difference of opinion and that'll be the same whoever is the manager, (unless of course we are at the top of the prem and winning in Europe!!!) CP has his faults but you cant deny what he has achieved in the last few seasons, although some would say you cant live in the past so who cares about past achievements. Looking at what CP has at his disposal, compared to just last season when we finished a very credible 9th, what is he supposed to do? He lost players that he wanted to keep, and was given little to strengthen the squad, although getting Gower was a mistake in my opinion, and now he has a threadbare squad which includes youngsters he would not normally need to rely on. So those who call for his head I can understand their opinion, but, and here is the rub, who comes in for him? We have no money, a threadbare squad, players out of contract who can negotiate with new clubs as from January and 2 owners who have, so far this season, done nothing to help a situation that is on a downward spiral. Which sane person is going to walk into that situation? and if they are insane enough to do it what can they change, you cant make a silk purse out of a pigs ear and that is what we have currently. What should the board do? In my opinion sell and get out now and give new owners the chance to sort things out, either with or without CP, that would be their decision, or find some cash to let him strengthen the squad in January and give some players the contracts they want, and many deserve. I'm sure CP is hurting, like we all are, and yes he may go, but I think he will walk unless he is supported in January one way or another. Lets face it he is not a miracle worker, but I don't know of any others (miracle workers) out there either that would 'jump' at the chance of joining our club in its current state. Perhaps if he decides to walk, the board will then realise what a right mess they have made of the last few months. If they had invested or sold after last seasons 9th place finish we may be in a different place to now, but they didn't and now look at us, for god sake sell and go, let the new owners decide CP's fate, because you 2 are just not up to making that decision.
And my point is Rob and others that I don't see replacing a manager who hasn't lost the dressing room will improve that.
Did things improve when we replaced Curbs with Dowie, with Dowie with Read, with Pardew with Parky ?
Bar the first, Each one was a cheaper option. We have owners that.might not be here next month with the possibility a new owner will want to bring in his own man.
Who any good is going to find that appealing?
We could not sign any players until a couple of rejects just before the start of the season, and weren't even able to bring in a single player on loan a couple of weeks ago despite shipping a few out.
Who any good is going to find that appealing?
Do you really feel that with this new man in charge Simon Church will all of a sudden start finishing one on ones, or we'll stop conceding deflected goals ?
This squad struggled last season, yet its togetherness was amazing and saw us finish in a much inflated 9th position.
Since then he has lost his couple of key strikers that gave the opposition something to think about (Fuller and Haynes), his best player through injury (Solly) and his second best player (Jackson) who contributed vital goals from midfield. We have also had some appalling luck.
This is currently a basket case of a club and whatever happens over the next few months we are going to look totally different next season. If things stay as they are, then that is likely to be in League One.
But let's be clear, until Cash and Jiminez have sold, there will only be the absolute bare minimum laid out on this club, so bare that in mind when trying to find your new manager who is asked to take on a dispirited squad for 2 or 3 months, and then either be out the low paid job, or have a relegation on your cv ?
I am a big supporter's of CP and am willing him to succeed. He obviously hasn't been allowed to strengthen the squad as he had wished. However I do believe the the current group of players should be doing a lot better than they are and that they are not is down to CP and his coaching staff. I thought he got the starting line up wrong today. Kermy drops too deep to play the up top role and I don't think the answer to not scoring goals is to play one striker. We need to stick to 4-4-2 and stop tinkering. And although changes were needed, and too late in my opinion, I thought subbing Green was unwise and not needed. If our owners had any money I'm sure CP would have gone by now. He's clinging on because they can't afford to dispense with his services.
But if the owners had any money we'd still have Fuller, Haynes and Obika rather than Church and Sordell. Think how many points difference some finishing would have made.
Yesterday summer it up for me. We played the team with the third best form in Europe, and more than matched them. They got a lucky break, we threw everything we had at them but what we had - what Powell has - isn't enough.
The one time he's spent anything like a transfer budget we smashed 13 records on the way to the title. That's why we want to keep hold of him - the potential in a chairman backing him is immense.
I am a big supporter's of CP and am willing him to succeed. He obviously hasn't been allowed to strengthen the squad as he had wished. However I do believe the the current group of players should be doing a lot better than they are and that they are not is down to CP and his coaching staff. I thought he got the starting line up wrong today. Kermy drops too deep to play the up top role and I don't think the answer to not scoring goals is to play one striker. We need to stick to 4-4-2 and stop tinkering. And although changes were needed, and too late in my opinion, I thought subbing Green was unwise and not needed. If our owners had any money I'm sure CP would have gone by now. He's clinging on because they can't afford to dispense with his services.
But if the owners had any money we'd still have Fuller, Haynes and Obika rather than Church and Sordell. Think how many points difference some finishing would have made.
Yesterday summer it up for me. We played the team with the third best form in Europe, and more than matched them. They got a lucky break, we threw everything we had at them but what we had - what Powell has - isn't enough.
The one time he's spent anything like a transfer budget we smashed 13 records on the way to the title. That's why we want to keep hold of him - the potential in a chairman backing him is immense.
But thats because we bought the title, Man City of League 1
Tbqh @AFKABartram, I don't know the answer to all of them questions pal, but do I really need to know the answer to them to have the opinion I have? The way I see it is something should change, and if it aint the board, then the next port if call is the manager imo.
Just like to make it clear, if there was a take over and funds were made available, I think CP should be kept to at least the end of the season to see what changes were made. (Regardless of relegation).
I am a big supporter's of CP and am willing him to succeed. He obviously hasn't been allowed to strengthen the squad as he had wished. However I do believe the the current group of players should be doing a lot better than they are and that they are not is down to CP and his coaching staff. I thought he got the starting line up wrong today. Kermy drops too deep to play the up top role and I don't think the answer to not scoring goals is to play one striker. We need to stick to 4-4-2 and stop tinkering. And although changes were needed, and too late in my opinion, I thought subbing Green was unwise and not needed. If our owners had any money I'm sure CP would have gone by now. He's clinging on because they can't afford to dispense with his services.
But if the owners had any money we'd still have Fuller, Haynes and Obika rather than Church and Sordell. Think how many points difference some finishing would have made.
Yesterday summer it up for me. We played the team with the third best form in Europe, and more than matched them. They got a lucky break, we threw everything we had at them but what we had - what Powell has - isn't enough.
The one time he's spent anything like a transfer budget we smashed 13 records on the way to the title. That's why we want to keep hold of him - the potential in a chairman backing him is immense.
But thats because we bought the title, Man City of League 1
We had the 5th highest budget in the division. Hardly buying the title.
To become an exprienced manager you always need a first time of going through this sort of situation. Surely?
Another point; what if CP does walk before he's pushed, that'll leave us in an even worse position than if its done on the Clubs terms. As someone said further up the thread, some thing has gotta give, I'd prefer Charlton, as a club, to come out of it the best way possible.
How'd you work that out Rob?
He gets sacked and they have to pay out some compensation. He walks and it costs them nothing financially. Which ,I'm afraid ,is all that these bandit owners seem to be interested in. The decision to spend as little money as possible on 'their' football club was made some time ago. They are not even making any attempts to imply that everything is green in the garden. They really don't care for the club,it's staff, or support. Losing the services of Chris Powell will not improve this dire situation.
To become an exprienced manager you always need a first time of going through this sort of situation. Surely?
Another point; what if CP does walk before he's pushed, that'll leave us in an even worse position than if its done on the Clubs terms. As someone said further up the thread, some thing has gotta give, I'd prefer Charlton, as a club, to come out of it the best way possible.
How'd you work that out Rob?
He gets sacked and they have to pay out some compensation. He walks and it costs them nothing financially. Which ,I'm afraid ,is all that these bandit owners seem to be interested in. The decision to spend as little money as possible on 'their' football club was made some time ago.
Looking at how bad we are with a manager, I shudder to think what would happen with no one at the helm pal. I can see it being a mutual consent thing meself
So far we have had plenty of people saying Powell out and only one name to replace him, Steve Clarke. Someone please point me in the direction of cloud cuckoo land please.
To become an exprienced manager you always need a first time of going through this sort of situation. Surely?
Another point; what if CP does walk before he's pushed, that'll leave us in an even worse position than if its done on the Clubs terms. As someone said further up the thread, some thing has gotta give, I'd prefer Charlton, as a club, to come out of it the best way possible.
How'd you work that out Rob?
He gets sacked and they have to pay out some compensation. He walks and it costs them nothing financially. Which ,I'm afraid ,is all that these bandit owners seem to be interested in. The decision to spend as little money as possible on 'their' football club was made some time ago.
Looking at how bad we are with a manager, I shudder to think what would happen with no one at the helm pal. I can see it being a mutual consent thing meself
There is only one decision the owners will be making in the immediate future as I can see. Absolutely Nothing to do with Powell. Nothing to do with new contracts or player transfers.
I further understand that CAFC will only just about stay within the current FFP debt requirements this season thus narrowly avoiding a FFP fine.
So I will be most grateful to learn how the manager has not been supported by the board.
If no reasonable explanation is forthcoming I can only deduce that the responsibility for the current under performance must lie with the player management and not the Board???
Not true.
We are nowhere near the FFP limits.
There is £5m equity that the owners could put in this season under FFP. They have put in £0 in equity this season.
Their money so they can choose to spend it or not but they can't blame FFP even thought they (Slater and Joyes) both tried in programme articles.
So having had a reasonable explanation as you requested your arguement that it can ONLY be the management doesn't stand.
Not gonna copy and paste AFKA's post but you only need to look at Palace to see the difference a new manager can make with the same bunch of players. New training ideas, better tactics, better motivation etc etc can make a big difference. Even Chamakh has three in four games now. As for who would take it on? There are plenty out there who would give it a go, people out of work, wanting to earn a wage, wanting to either get back in management or start out in management. I'm not advocating a change but CP needs to buck up his ideas in my opinion.
Not gonna copy and paste AFKA's post but you only need to look at Palace to see the difference a new manager can make with the same bunch of players. New training ideas, better tactics, better motivation etc etc can make a big difference. Even Chamakh has three in four games now. As for who would take it on? There are plenty out there who would give it a go, people out of work, wanting to earn a wage, wanting to either get back in management or start out in management. I'm not advocating a change but CP needs to buck up his ideas in my opinion.
And you have faith in Jimenez and slater to get that man?
Sheffield Wednesday sacked their manager and look how the same players who were playing crap are now getting results so sometimes it can be the manager changing gets results
So because he played piggot against Millwall it means he doesn't have a clue? Your a fucking idiot! If you saw Piggot in the reserves last season you would have given him a go but I'm guessing you didn't see him? Clueless twat!
As always, the debate on here is interesting as it is fuelled by peoples' opinions. Yes, every now and again you get the kind of abusive/childlike response highlighted above, but in the main it all generally brightens the weekend up. That's just it though, it's opinions! God forbid we all agree, what a drag that would be. No one is right, no one is wrong, so, bearing that in mind, some posters (I said posters, not posers) should be a little more tolerant of others, IN MY OPINION! (Oops, damned opinions!).
So, what about the manager then? Who knows what would happen if he went? Who knows what would happen if he stays? But, here's the thing, if the fear is that Charlton will get relegated if he stays what has the club got to lose by bringing in someone with fresh ideas and who may inject a bit of dynamism? Yes, I have heard it all before about who, money etc but I am sure there would be a willing option out there somewhere, IF that is what's required. At the moment though the TEAM is on a slippery slope toward relegation (and then what?).
So, what have we got to lose? As a man, Chris Powell is a genuine diamond (he spent more time with my young son when he was mascot at Norwich a good few years ago than any other player), but, for the good of the club, is it time to try and inject some fresh impetus?
So because he played piggot against Millwall it means he doesn't have a clue? Your a fucking idiot! If you saw Piggot in the reserves last season you would have given him a go but I'm guessing you didn't see him? Clueless twat!
As always, the debate on here is interesting as it is fuelled by peoples' opinions. Yes, every now and again you get the kind of abusive/childlike response highlighted above, but in the main it all generally brightens the weekend up. That's just it though, it's opinions! God forbid we all agree, what a drag that would be. No one is right, no one is wrong, so, bearing that in mind, some posters (I said posters, not posers) should be a little more tolerant of others, IN MY OPINION! (Oops, damned opinions!).
So, what about the manager then? Who knows what would happen if he went? Who knows what would happen if he stays? But, here's the thing, if the fear is that Charlton will get relegated if he stays what has the club got to lose by bringing in someone with fresh ideas and who may inject a bit of dynamism? Yes, I have heard it all before about who, money etc but I am sure there would be a willing option out there somewhere, IF that is what's required. At the moment though the TEAM is on a slippery slope toward relegation (and then what?).
So, what have we got to lose? As a man, Chris Powell is a genuine diamond (he spent more time with my young son when he was mascot at Norwich a good few years ago than any other player), but, for the good of the club, is it time to try and inject some fresh?
This thread is an example of the views of the modern football supporter encapsulated nicely. We have a manager who is doing the very best he can, albeit he's not perfect and makes mistakes, like we all do in our jobs. Yet some feel that there must be an (unspecified) better option out there based on nothing but emotion it seems.
He's had zero support from his employers in the transfer market for what three(?) transfer windows and despite his best efforts the limitations of our squad is finally showing on the pitch and in our league position.
Anyone who expected anything other than a struggle this year back on 31st August was being completely unrealistic and so it is proving. It would be an interesting exercise to go back and compare the various threads predicting our finishing positions with those now calling for a change of manager. I suspect that for the vast majority we are where we expected to be and few, if any, were calling for CP to be replaced in August.
So what's changed? Nothing in my view, we were up against in before the season started and we were always up against it. The one and only thing Powelly had going for him back then was a hard working, honest bunch of players giving their best for him and from what I can see that's still the same.
Let's us, the fans, not now lose our bottle and get on his back at the very time he needs our support the most.
Change of manager/coach at Derby leads to the last 6 wins on the trot. What does this tell us. No good saying we were the better team if the game ends in defeat.
This thread is an example of the views of the modern football supporter encapsulated nicely. We have a manager who is doing the very best he can, albeit he's not perfect and makes mistakes, like we all do in our jobs. Yet some feel that there must be an (unspecified) better option out there based on nothing but emotion it seems.
He's had zero support from his employers in the transfer market for what three(?) transfer windows and despite his best efforts the limitations of our squad is finally showing on the pitch and in our league position.
Anyone who expected anything other than a struggle this year back on 31st August was being completely unrealistic and so it is proving. It would be an interesting exercise to go back and compare the various threads predicting our finishing positions with those now calling for a change of manager. I suspect that for the vast majority we are where we expected to be and few, if any, were calling for CP to be replaced in August.
So what's changed? Nothing in my view, we were up against in before the season started and we were always up against it. The one and only thing Powelly had going for him back then was a hard working, honest bunch of players giving their best for him and from what I can see that's still the same.
Let's us, the fans, not now lose our bottle and get on his back at the very time he needs our the most.
Modern football supporter? The game has always been a results business and managers, and players, have always got the pump.
There is an argument for twisting and there is an argument for sticking.
For every Derby or Sheff Weds (still below us BTW) there is a Bolton (stuck with Freedman and moved up the table) or Yeovil (bottom but backed the manager who took them up with three Prem loan signing).
Powell is not a God but neither is he a clueless clown who knows nothing of tactics.
He hasn't lost the dressing room, the players are still playing for him.
But we aren't winning and we are only a point outside the bottom three so something needs to change.
A the manager? B the playing squad? C the board? D two or more of the above?
Powell can do nothing about B or C. He could do something about A by walking away ala Holloway but he has never seemed a quitter and he will hope that C will lead to B not A.
Changing things is sometimes the easy option. Bosses often think it makes them look decisive and bold when often it means they are re-active and wanting to be seen as "doing something"
The hard choice is often to do nothing, stand your ground and have the courage of your convictions. "To keep your head when all about you are losing theirs" as the cake man once said
I don't think that is the current owners stance. They just want out and don't care.
Until there is new money there will be no positive change. If and when that happens I hope the new owners take what would be the brave decision to back Chris. If he then fails when he has had the fair crack of the whip denied him in this division so far then he will, with my regret, have to go.
But until that point is reached especially given the total organisational and financial mess this club has been allowed to become around him, due in no part to him, I'm for sticking with Powell.
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I guess numbers not your strong point?
This team is NOT a Championship team. Fair play to the effort of the players, they run their little socks off, but they just aren't up to it. If we go down, blame the board for lack of investment. If we stay up, congratulate Powell on performing another miracle.
I'm still yet to see a sensible and realistic suggestion to replace Powell. Who is gonna want to come here with this crappy board anyway? Everyone knows they aren't interested and want out. This crap affects players, so does the fact that people's contracts are running down.
It's mis-management by those at the top causing these problems.
Has yanns and jacko etc contracts been sorted
The players knowing they don't have to compete for places
The mgr knowing that he has no chance not even loans of strenghening the squad
Yet people want to choose to ignore that fact and expect someone else to come in
Cafc from what we know as fans is a basket case
What actual football people know is a lot worse
Who in their right mind would come in and work in that enviroment
I can officially announce the overall verdict is that the fans of Charlton Athletic want Chris Powell to stay!
I'm pleased we have got that sorted!
Unless he gets support in the transfer window which at the moment is unlikely I think he will move on.
We will then lose a great manager who I reckon like someone mentioned at the start of the thread, will be another Martinez.
Another point; what if CP does walk before he's pushed, that'll leave us in an even worse position than if its done on the Clubs terms. As someone said further up the thread, some thing has gotta give, I'd prefer Charlton, as a club, to come out of it the best way possible.
Did things improve when we replaced Curbs with Dowie, with Dowie with Read, with Pardew with Parky ?
Bar the first, Each one was a cheaper option. We have owners that.might not be here next month with the possibility a new owner will want to bring in his own man.
Who any good is going to find that appealing?
We could not sign any players until a couple of rejects just before the start of the season, and weren't even able to bring in a single player on loan a couple of weeks ago despite shipping a few out.
Who any good is going to find that appealing?
Do you really feel that with this new man in charge Simon Church will all of a sudden start finishing one on ones, or we'll stop conceding deflected goals ?
This squad struggled last season, yet its togetherness was amazing and saw us finish in a much inflated 9th position.
Since then he has lost his couple of key strikers that gave the opposition something to think about (Fuller and Haynes), his best player through injury (Solly) and his second best player (Jackson) who contributed vital goals from midfield. We have also had some appalling luck.
This is currently a basket case of a club and whatever happens over the next few months we are going to look totally different next season. If things stay as they are, then that is likely to be in League One.
But let's be clear, until Cash and Jiminez have sold, there will only be the absolute bare minimum laid out on this club, so bare that in mind when trying to find your new manager who is asked to take on a dispirited squad for 2 or 3 months, and then either be out the low paid job, or have a relegation on your cv ?
Can't you see that ?
But if the owners had any money we'd still have Fuller, Haynes and Obika rather than Church and Sordell. Think how many points difference some finishing would have made.
Yesterday summer it up for me. We played the team with the third best form in Europe, and more than matched them. They got a lucky break, we threw everything we had at them but what we had - what Powell has - isn't enough.
The one time he's spent anything like a transfer budget we smashed 13 records on the way to the title. That's why we want to keep hold of him - the potential in a chairman backing him is immense.
Yesterday summer it up for me. We played the team with the third best form in Europe, and more than matched them. They got a lucky break, we threw everything we had at them but what we had - what Powell has - isn't enough.
The one time he's spent anything like a transfer budget we smashed 13 records on the way to the title. That's why we want to keep hold of him - the potential in a chairman backing him is immense.
But thats because we bought the title, Man City of League 1
Just like to make it clear, if there was a take over and funds were made available, I think CP should be kept to at least the end of the season to see what changes were made. (Regardless of relegation).
We had the 5th highest budget in the division. Hardly buying the title.
He gets sacked and they have to pay out some compensation. He walks and it costs them nothing financially.
Which ,I'm afraid ,is all that these bandit owners seem to be interested in. The decision to spend as little money as possible on 'their' football club was made some time ago. They are not even making any attempts to imply that everything is green in the garden.
They really don't care for the club,it's staff, or support. Losing the services of Chris Powell will not improve this dire situation.
Absolutely Nothing to do with Powell. Nothing to do with new contracts or player transfers.
We are nowhere near the FFP limits.
There is £5m equity that the owners could put in this season under FFP. They have put in £0 in equity this season.
Their money so they can choose to spend it or not but they can't blame FFP even thought they (Slater and Joyes) both tried in programme articles.
So having had a reasonable explanation as you requested your arguement that it can ONLY be the management doesn't stand.
So, what about the manager then? Who knows what would happen if he went? Who knows what would happen if he stays? But, here's the thing, if the fear is that Charlton will get relegated if he stays what has the club got to lose by bringing in someone with fresh ideas and who may inject a bit of dynamism? Yes, I have heard it all before about who, money etc but I am sure there would be a willing option out there somewhere, IF that is what's required. At the moment though the TEAM is on a slippery slope toward relegation (and then what?).
So, what have we got to lose? As a man, Chris Powell is a genuine diamond (he spent more time with my young son when he was mascot at Norwich a good few years ago than any other player), but, for the good of the club, is it time to try and inject some fresh impetus?
And remember, it's just an OPINION!
He's had zero support from his employers in the transfer market for what three(?) transfer windows and despite his best efforts the limitations of our squad is finally showing on the pitch and in our league position.
Anyone who expected anything other than a struggle this year back on 31st August was being completely unrealistic and so it is proving. It would be an interesting exercise to go back and compare the various threads predicting our finishing positions with those now calling for a change of manager. I suspect that for the vast majority we are where we expected to be and few, if any, were calling for CP to be replaced in August.
So what's changed? Nothing in my view, we were up against in before the season started and we were always up against it. The one and only thing Powelly had going for him back then was a hard working, honest bunch of players giving their best for him and from what I can see that's still the same.
Let's us, the fans, not now lose our bottle and get on his back at the very time he needs our support the most.
For every Derby or Sheff Weds (still below us BTW) there is a Bolton (stuck with Freedman and moved up the table) or Yeovil (bottom but backed the manager who took them up with three Prem loan signing).
Powell is not a God but neither is he a clueless clown who knows nothing of tactics.
He hasn't lost the dressing room, the players are still playing for him.
But we aren't winning and we are only a point outside the bottom three so something needs to change.
A the manager?
B the playing squad?
C the board?
D two or more of the above?
Powell can do nothing about B or C. He could do something about A by walking away ala Holloway but he has never seemed a quitter and he will hope that C will lead to B not A.
Changing things is sometimes the easy option. Bosses often think it makes them look decisive and bold when often it means they are re-active and wanting to be seen as "doing something"
The hard choice is often to do nothing, stand your ground and have the courage of your convictions. "To keep your head when all about you are losing theirs" as the cake man once said
I don't think that is the current owners stance. They just want out and don't care.
Until there is new money there will be no positive change. If and when that happens I hope the new owners take what would be the brave decision to back Chris. If he then fails when he has had the fair crack of the whip denied him in this division so far then he will, with my regret, have to go.
But until that point is reached especially given the total organisational and financial mess this club has been allowed to become around him, due in no part to him, I'm for sticking with Powell.