However Muttley, (as posted before) it says on that link:
“the stand-out feature of the masterplan is that it’s been planned around a new 40,000 seat arena, seemingly based on American baseball grounds in concept (or at least, that’s how it’s being presented). This would be an open bowl, with the main stands to the south and east and open views towards Canary Wharf”.
But it also seems that there is already a developer on the proposed site planning a slightly different type of venue; according to the planning blog of former Greenwich Labour councillor Mary Mills:
"developers Cathedral are now on the old sugar refinery site (Morden Wharf, Tunnel Glucose, Amylum, Tate and Lyle, Syrol – whatever you want to call it)"
This is what Cathedral’s own web page says about it
“In March 2012, along with our partners Development Securities PLC, we acquired Morden Wharf, a 19 acre regeneration site on Greenwich Peninsula. The major riverside regeneration site, formerly a sweeteners refinery, is adjacent to the O2 Arena with 500 metres of Thames river frontage and will play a crucial part in the delivery of the Royal Borough of Greenwich’s masterplan proposals for the western side of the Greenwich Peninsula, published in April 2012…
The Peninsula West Masterplan outlines the Council’s intention to transform the Peninsula into London’s premier entertainment zone by focusing development and regeneration around multi-purpose sports, entertainment and educational facilities that enhance with the offer at the O2 Arena and seamlessly and sustainably link historic Greenwich with the masterplanned zone. Morden Wharf is a world-class site and one of the very few significant London river fronts left for major regeneration.
with further information about their plans on the site of Chartered Surveyors Christopher Smith Associates that:
“Leisure Project Morden Wharf
Conversion of a disused riverside wharf factory into a unique events venue. This will consist of a 5,000 capacity indoor entertainment area and a 10,000 capacity outdoor events space. The projects vision is to provide a unique and flexible performing arts complex with broad appeal to the trade and public with a strong link to the building and surrounding areas industrious history”.
So unless there two sites for two new 'sports and entertainment complexes' planned for the peninsula (in addition to the Dome) I can’t see that either an ‘open bowl … based on American baseball grounds’ or ‘a 10,000 capacity outdoor events space’ represent potential relocation prospects for CAFC. Besides, as developers Cathedral are already on the site it seems likely that their plans will be complete before CAFC gets round to looking for a bigger stadium (whoever our owners are)......
Unless. of course, Cathedral (and/or their ‘partners Development Securities’) are the ‘british property developers’ rumoured to be involved in the bid?
I can't see why we would be attractive to any other property developers in all honesty - but I can see why we would be attractive to them. They need a club there- imagine the profile a premiership club would provide!
Chris from Sidcup. Think you'd make a good MK Dons fan mate. Change the team colour, change the badge, change the ground. Sell the club's soul. But who cares ? We could be in the prem , in Europe, maybe. What does it matter ? If you are are true Charlton fan , it matters - a lot.
Chris from Sidcup. Think you'd make a good MK Dons fan mate. Change the team colour, change the badge, change the ground. Sell the club's soul. But who cares ? We could be in the prem , in Europe, maybe. What does it matter ? If you are are true Charlton fan , it matters - a lot.
Exactly, you go as far as changing the stadium, the colours, and the badge its not really Charlton Athletic anymore....
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
I presume you and your family were involved in selecting the house you moved to?
of course. and of course it's not that simplistic. all I'm saying is I don't think rejecting the idea out of hand is a good idea. I can't think of a set of fans who regret moving stadia. i'd need convincing but I won't say no without at least giving it due consideration.
Fair enough Large, so long as you concede the point that unlike the other stadia listed by Muttley, to which you could add Leicester and -ahem - Coventry, the Valley is a perfectly decent stadium for this club's audience for the foreseeable future. Do not forget that the Valley can still be expanded, and the main priority would be more executive boxes and the like, rather than overall capacity.
further expansion? I thought that had disappeared with the sale of the Lansdowne Mews properties?
Apparently not. Just not quite as straightforward as it was. But a lot more straightforward than moving to a brand new stadium, especially given mick 1950's point above, that the original scheme which has been around since 2010, may no longer exist (and may be the reason why Cash lost interest, but that is purely my speculation)
The development of exec boxes and that sort of crap is financially way more important than standard seats. Its those boxes that has Sullivan and Gold drooling about the Olympic Stadium.
Muttley. I think it was still Charlton when we ground shared at Selhurst ! I think if we had changed our colours to theirs, changed the badge to theirs , I suspect that maybe that wouldn't be Charlton anymore !
I went to Selhurst to support my team- but many didn't. If we were to move to a modern new ground that is not shared with a rival, i think people would have less of an issue with it. Not that it wouldn't be a bind leaving the Valley, we have a close attachment to it because of our recent history, but onwards and upwards. I suppose we just have to see what is going to develop - but fun speculating - isn't that what a forum is for after all!
I went to Selhurst to support my team- but many didn't. If we were to move to a modern new ground that is not shared with a rival, i think people would have less of an issue with it.
Chris from Sidcup. Think you'd make a good MK Dons fan mate. Change the team colour, change the badge, change the ground. Sell the club's soul. But who cares ? We could be in the prem , in Europe, maybe. What does it matter ? If you are are true Charlton fan , it matters - a lot.
I agree that what I have been trying to say I don't want our club being a sell out, I would rather be a league 2 club with our clubs soul still there than a Prem club and lose everything that makes us Charlton
Chris from Sidcup. Think you'd make a good MK Dons fan mate. Change the team colour, change the badge, change the ground. Sell the club's soul. But who cares ? We could be in the prem , in Europe, maybe. What does it matter ? If you are are true Charlton fan , it matters - a lot.
Not sure what it's got to do with MK Dons, the situation we were comparing it to was Cardiff. MK Dons is off the scale, no one would want that.
The point i made was that if someone came in and pumped £100m into us and got us into the premier league and then said 'i want charlton to wear black and we're going to modernise the club badge', i could live with it if the alternative is struggling along in the championship or league one without even enough money to maintain a decent playing pitch.
As for the ground, i said i'd prefer it if we didn't move but is moving grounds such a big deal these days? I wonder how many Man City, Cardiff, Swansea, Southampton, Reading, Sunderland, Hull, Derby, Leicester, Middlesbrough etc etc fans are gutted that their club sold it's soul and moved grounds. I don't think we need to move grounds, but i don't think it'd be the end of the world if we did.
My honest thoughts are that unfortunately in the not so distant future we will not be playing at the valley in floyd rd
For that reason I pick and choose what I spend my time doing and now its mainly the knowledge and I go to non league football watching my mates boy at waltham abbey and enfield town Then the wrench and decision will not be as changing to my football rountine
I won't go to a new home ground I would not want too I would go away games if I fancied but I soon would stop that also
I would still be very much a fan but it would receive zero of my money due to it selling its soul
How others choose to support would have no impact on my life and I would never judge nor expect to be judged on my choice or anyone elses
Chris from Sidcup. Think you'd make a good MK Dons fan mate. Change the team colour, change the badge, change the ground. Sell the club's soul. But who cares ? We could be in the prem , in Europe, maybe. What does it matter ? If you are are true Charlton fan , it matters - a lot.
Not sure what it's got to do with MK Dons, the situation we were comparing it to was Cardiff. MK Dons is off the scale, no one would want that.
The point i made was that if someone came in and pumped £100m into us and got us into the premier league and then said 'i want charlton to wear black and we're going to modernise the club badge', i could live with it if the alternative is struggling along in the championship or league one without even enough money to maintain a decent playing pitch.
As for the ground, i said i'd prefer it if we didn't move but is moving grounds such a big deal these days? I wonder how many Man City, Cardiff, Swansea, Southampton, Reading, Sunderland, Hull, Derby, Leicester, Middlesbrough etc etc fans are gutted that their club sold it's soul and moved grounds. I don't think we need to move grounds, but i don't think it'd be the end of the world if we did.
won't be the end of the world but for a club like ours with the history surrounding our return to the valley I would see it as a travesty. I would fight against it for as long as I could.
are any of the clubs you mentioned bothered about what they did? no, on the most part they're not. but that's their prerogative. what I wrote above about being totally against it is mine.
You might say your missing the bigger picture. we could be a real contender in English football. Is that what this is all about. if so then why would I of bothered starting to support Charlton. I would of supported man u or arsenal.
of course I want Charlton to win everything but if we did it in a way that we sold off everything that makes us what we are then I would want no part in it.
screwed principles maybe but principles none the less.
Think you're missing the point. What makes a club & gives it it's own unique identity ? That's why I mentioned MK Dons. That club basically sold out to the point where it wasn't Wimbledon anymore and became something that the fans couldn't stomach - obviously not least for the actual geography of where they moved to, so that was an extreme case but the point is, you change too much & too quickly & suddenly you have nothing you can identify with. If you want success and that is the be all and end all, then just jump around & watch the various Premiership London clubs such as Chelsea. They have enough plastic fans but watch them disappear if they couldn't buy success anymore.
Let's just wait and see what happens before we start worrying too much about selling our soul or selling our ground. It just might never happen and I doubt it will.
My honest thoughts are that unfortunately in the not so distant future we will not be playing at the valley in floyd rd
For that reason I pick and choose what I spend my time doing and now its mainly the knowledge and I go to non league football watching my mates boy at waltham abbey and enfield town Then the wrench and decision will not be as changing to my football rountine
I won't go to a new home ground I would not want too I would go away games if I fancied but I soon would stop that also
I would still be very much a fan but it would receive zero of my money due to it selling its soul
How others choose to support would have no impact on my life and I would never judge nor expect to be judged on my choice or anyone elses
Be like being a fan on a banning order
So if Charlton moved to a new stadium a stones throw away from the Valley and kept the same badge/name/colours and everything, you would never attend a Charlton game again?
Chris from Sidcup. Think you'd make a good MK Dons fan mate. Change the team colour, change the badge, change the ground. Sell the club's soul. But who cares ? We could be in the prem , in Europe, maybe. What does it matter ? If you are are true Charlton fan , it matters - a lot.
Not sure what it's got to do with MK Dons, the situation we were comparing it to was Cardiff. MK Dons is off the scale, no one would want that.
The point i made was that if someone came in and pumped £100m into us and got us into the premier league and then said 'i want charlton to wear black and we're going to modernise the club badge', i could live with it if the alternative is struggling along in the championship or league one without even enough money to maintain a decent playing pitch.
As for the ground, i said i'd prefer it if we didn't move but is moving grounds such a big deal these days? I wonder how many Man City, Cardiff, Swansea, Southampton, Reading, Sunderland, Hull, Derby, Leicester, Middlesbrough etc etc fans are gutted that their club sold it's soul and moved grounds. I don't think we need to move grounds, but i don't think it'd be the end of the world if we did.
I don' think your point is unreasonable but I do want to stress again what I pointed out earlier. All those grounds you listed were various levels of crap, and the clubs needed better. Nobody has put up a case why we need significantly better than the current Valley. If we return to the Premier League what we need is lots of executive boxes and entertainment suites. Those can still be built into the Valley.
And finally none of those club's fans fought like tigers to get their club back to those stadia in the first place. That fight is part of our recent history. I don't mind giving that up, if it's necessary. Let's hear the case. We are all capable of understanding a solid business argument. However it might take a few months to go through it, which is why ACV is so important
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Thats assuming theyve kept the same name/colours/badge etc....
The development of exec boxes and that sort of crap is financially way more important than standard seats. Its those boxes that has Sullivan and Gold drooling about the Olympic Stadium.
Not sure what it's got to do with MK Dons, the situation we were comparing it to was Cardiff. MK Dons is off the scale, no one would want that.
The point i made was that if someone came in and pumped £100m into us and got us into the premier league and then said 'i want charlton to wear black and we're going to modernise the club badge', i could live with it if the alternative is struggling along in the championship or league one without even enough money to maintain a decent playing pitch.
As for the ground, i said i'd prefer it if we didn't move but is moving grounds such a big deal these days? I wonder how many Man City, Cardiff, Swansea, Southampton, Reading, Sunderland, Hull, Derby, Leicester, Middlesbrough etc etc fans are gutted that their club sold it's soul and moved grounds. I don't think we need to move grounds, but i don't think it'd be the end of the world if we did.
I can't argue with that. Was just looking at it from another angle.
and some stars
and some stripes
For that reason I pick and choose what I spend my time doing and now its mainly the knowledge and I go to non league football watching my mates boy at waltham abbey and enfield town
Then the wrench and decision will not be as changing to my football rountine
I won't go to a new home ground I would not want too I would go away games if I fancied but I soon would stop that also
I would still be very much a fan but it would receive zero of my money due to it selling its soul
How others choose to support would have no impact on my life and I would never judge nor expect to be judged on my choice or anyone elses
Be like being a fan on a banning order
are any of the clubs you mentioned bothered about what they did? no, on the most part they're not. but that's their prerogative. what I wrote above about being totally against it is mine.
You might say your missing the bigger picture. we could be a real contender in English football. Is that what this is all about. if so then why would I of bothered starting to support Charlton. I would of supported man u or arsenal.
of course I want Charlton to win everything but if we did it in a way that we sold off everything that makes us what we are then I would want no part in it.
screwed principles maybe but principles none the less.
And finally none of those club's fans fought like tigers to get their club back to those stadia in the first place. That fight is part of our recent history. I don't mind giving that up, if it's necessary. Let's hear the case. We are all capable of understanding a solid business argument. However it might take a few months to go through it, which is why ACV is so important