i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
True, but there are 2 bad examples:
Pompey: loads of money spent, all turned sour, now languishing down the lower leagues
Cardiff: total change of club colours (similar to Hull City's imminent name change)
Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour.
Yes it's all gone very sour for Cardiff. Their fans looked absolutely devastated by the colour change when they rolled over Man City and Swansea in front of a sold out stadium earlier this season.
Did I say it had turned sour?
What I meant is their owners have changed the identity of the club.
Would you like it if the new owners proposed that we play in blue and white without any fan consultation?
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
True, but there are 2 bad examples:
Pompey: loads of money spent, all turned sour, now languishing down the lower leagues
Cardiff: total change of club colours (similar to Hull City's imminent name change)
Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour.
Yes it's all gone very sour for Cardiff. Their fans looked absolutely devastated by the colour change when they rolled over Man City and Swansea in front of a sold out stadium earlier this season.
To be fair to Ross they lost a lot of fans when they changed colours and badge in the championship
As AFKA said rumours been going around for a week or two about Americans but we hear so often that this or that nationality are involved who knows.
The controlled leak, as Rothko says, tells us it is real and near but NOT done. At such time as the story appears on the Clubs official website then it can be held to be true or some such phrase.
I doubt we'll be leaving the Valley right away but it is a question to be asked of the new owners
1. Who owns the Club?
2. What is the business plan?
3. What the investment level?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What the plans for the Academy?
6. What is the exit strategy?
And you could add
7. What are your plans for Chris Powell?
9. What is Greenwich Councils involvement if any?
For the Council a move to the peninsular has many advantages, maximising the return on their investment in the Peninsular, taking the club out of a residential area, re generation of the valley and area around the valley, reducing match day congestion, improving council relations with not supporting local residents. Of course there may be no plans to move the club, but if I was the council I'd be pleased if it happens.
For my part, with the right conditions that were beneficial for the club and the fan base, i would not oppose a move, but then the move to Selhurst brought me back to attending matches after five years away.
Whoever it will be just hope they communicate abit more then current mob. Not saying they have to be on talksport 24/7 ala sullivan gold and the posh chairman but willing to speak to fans the guy at villa is supposed to be very good at this didnt he even buy a boozer near the ground and do it up for the fans?
There is some logic to this - If you look at the Greenwhich pennisula plans there is a massive stadium that can't be missed on them. This is going to need a tenant as the Olympic stadium did. Whether we like it or not, if it is any team other than Charlton, it would be damaging to the club!
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
True, but there are 2 bad examples:
Pompey: loads of money spent, all turned sour, now languishing down the lower leagues
Cardiff: total change of club colours (similar to Hull City's imminent name change)
Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour.
Yes it's all gone very sour for Cardiff. Their fans looked absolutely devastated by the colour change when they rolled over Man City and Swansea in front of a sold out stadium earlier this season.
Did I say it had turned sour?
What I meant is their owners have changed the identity of the club.
Would you like it if the new owners proposed that we play in blue and white without any fan consultation?
Yes you did "Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour"
Not blue and white no as they're the colours of our rivals. Cardiff weren't changed to white like Swansea.
If someone pumped £100m into Charlton, got us into the premier league and wanted us to play in say black then i think i'd probably get over it. I know a change from red wouldn't be popular though.
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
True, but there are 2 bad examples:
Pompey: loads of money spent, all turned sour, now languishing down the lower leagues
Cardiff: total change of club colours (similar to Hull City's imminent name change)
Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour.
Yes it's all gone very sour for Cardiff. Their fans looked absolutely devastated by the colour change when they rolled over Man City and Swansea in front of a sold out stadium earlier this season.
Did I say it had turned sour?
What I meant is their owners have changed the identity of the club.
Would you like it if the new owners proposed that we play in blue and white without any fan consultation?
Yes you did "Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour"
Not blue and white no as they're the colours of our rivals. Cardiff weren't changed to white like Swansea.
If someone pumped £100m into Charlton, got us into the premier league and wanted us to play in say black then i think i'd probably get over it. I know a change from red wouldn't be popular though.
So if someone said that they will change the colours, Badge, move stadium and get rid of Powell for that 100m would u take it
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
I presume you and your family were involved in selecting the house you moved to?
of course. and of course it's not that simplistic. all I'm saying is I don't think rejecting the idea out of hand is a good idea. I can't think of a set of fans who regret moving stadia. i'd need convincing but I won't say no without at least giving it due consideration.
I think there was some club that moved in about 1985 to share with their neighbours, and I don't remember that being universally acclaimed by their fans, though it was a long time ago now...
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
I presume you and your family were involved in selecting the house you moved to?
of course. and of course it's not that simplistic. all I'm saying is I don't think rejecting the idea out of hand is a good idea. I can't think of a set of fans who regret moving stadia. i'd need convincing but I won't say no without at least giving it due consideration.
Fair enough Large, so long as you concede the point that unlike the other stadia listed by Muttley, to which you could add Leicester and -ahem - Coventry, the Valley is a perfectly decent stadium for this club's audience for the foreseeable future. Do not forget that the Valley can still be expanded, and the main priority would be more executive boxes and the like, rather than overall capacity.
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
I presume you and your family were involved in selecting the house you moved to?
of course. and of course it's not that simplistic. all I'm saying is I don't think rejecting the idea out of hand is a good idea. I can't think of a set of fans who regret moving stadia. i'd need convincing but I won't say no without at least giving it due consideration.
Fair enough Large, so long as you concede the point that unlike the other stadia listed by Muttley, to which you could add Leicester and -ahem - Coventry, the Valley is a perfectly decent stadium for this club's audience for the foreseeable future. Do not forget that the Valley can still be expanded, and the main priority would be more executive boxes and the like, rather than overall capacity.
It may not be so decent if your plans for the club exceed others' assumptions of what the club will do in the forseeable future!
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
I presume you and your family were involved in selecting the house you moved to?
of course. and of course it's not that simplistic. all I'm saying is I don't think rejecting the idea out of hand is a good idea. I can't think of a set of fans who regret moving stadia. i'd need convincing but I won't say no without at least giving it due consideration.
I think there was some club that moved in about 1985 to share with their neighbours, and I don't remember that being universally acclaimed by their fans, though it was a long time ago now...
that is the difference. we were forced out to share a ground, and not a new neutral ground, but their ground. and we moved half way across London. a new ground of our own in Greenwich is a totally different scenario.
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
I presume you and your family were involved in selecting the house you moved to?
of course. and of course it's not that simplistic. all I'm saying is I don't think rejecting the idea out of hand is a good idea. I can't think of a set of fans who regret moving stadia. i'd need convincing but I won't say no without at least giving it due consideration.
Fair enough Large, so long as you concede the point that unlike the other stadia listed by Muttley, to which you could add Leicester and -ahem - Coventry, the Valley is a perfectly decent stadium for this club's audience for the foreseeable future. Do not forget that the Valley can still be expanded, and the main priority would be more executive boxes and the like, rather than overall capacity.
further expansion? I thought that had disappeared with the sale of the Lansdowne Mews properties?
i loved my last house. i moved to a better house. i love my new house even more. just saying .....
True, but there are 2 bad examples:
Pompey: loads of money spent, all turned sour, now languishing down the lower leagues
Cardiff: total change of club colours (similar to Hull City's imminent name change)
Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour.
Yes it's all gone very sour for Cardiff. Their fans looked absolutely devastated by the colour change when they rolled over Man City and Swansea in front of a sold out stadium earlier this season.
Did I say it had turned sour?
What I meant is their owners have changed the identity of the club.
Would you like it if the new owners proposed that we play in blue and white without any fan consultation?
Yes you did "Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour"
Not blue and white no as they're the colours of our rivals. Cardiff weren't changed to white like Swansea.
If someone pumped £100m into Charlton, got us into the premier league and wanted us to play in say black then i think i'd probably get over it. I know a change from red wouldn't be popular though.
So if someone said that they will change the colours, Badge, move stadium and get rid of Powell for that 100m would u take it
Colours i could live with being changed. Badge likewise. Teams changing badges isn't that uncommon these days. Stadium i would prefer not, but then we might be getting a new stadium anyway if you believe some rumours on this thread. Powell no.
However Muttley, (as posted before) it says on that link:
“the stand-out feature of the masterplan is that it’s been planned around a new 40,000 seat arena, seemingly based on American baseball grounds in concept (or at least, that’s how it’s being presented). This would be an open bowl, with the main stands to the south and east and open views towards Canary Wharf”.
But it also seems that there is already a developer on the proposed site planning a slightly different type of venue; according to the planning blog of former Greenwich Labour councillor Mary Mills:
"developers Cathedral are now on the old sugar refinery site (Morden Wharf, Tunnel Glucose, Amylum, Tate and Lyle, Syrol – whatever you want to call it)"
This is what Cathedral’s own web page says about it
“In March 2012, along with our partners Development Securities PLC, we acquired Morden Wharf, a 19 acre regeneration site on Greenwich Peninsula. The major riverside regeneration site, formerly a sweeteners refinery, is adjacent to the O2 Arena with 500 metres of Thames river frontage and will play a crucial part in the delivery of the Royal Borough of Greenwich’s masterplan proposals for the western side of the Greenwich Peninsula, published in April 2012…
The Peninsula West Masterplan outlines the Council’s intention to transform the Peninsula into London’s premier entertainment zone by focusing development and regeneration around multi-purpose sports, entertainment and educational facilities that enhance with the offer at the O2 Arena and seamlessly and sustainably link historic Greenwich with the masterplanned zone. Morden Wharf is a world-class site and one of the very few significant London river fronts left for major regeneration.
with further information about their plans on the site of Chartered Surveyors Christopher Smith Associates that:
“Leisure Project Morden Wharf
Conversion of a disused riverside wharf factory into a unique events venue. This will consist of a 5,000 capacity indoor entertainment area and a 10,000 capacity outdoor events space. The projects vision is to provide a unique and flexible performing arts complex with broad appeal to the trade and public with a strong link to the building and surrounding areas industrious history”.
So unless there two sites for two new 'sports and entertainment complexes' planned for the peninsula (in addition to the Dome) I can’t see that either an ‘open bowl … based on American baseball grounds’ or ‘a 10,000 capacity outdoor events space’ represent potential relocation prospects for CAFC. Besides, as developers Cathedral are already on the site it seems likely that their plans will be complete before CAFC gets round to looking for a bigger stadium (whoever our owners are)......
Unless. of course, Cathedral (and/or their ‘partners Development Securities’) are the ‘british property developers’ rumoured to be involved in the bid?
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What I meant is their owners have changed the identity of the club.
Would you like it if the new owners proposed that we play in blue and white without any fan consultation?
timing with ACV delay is I hope a coincidence, given we couldn't move right now anyway, altho perhaps its not very palatable for a new buyer
For the Council a move to the peninsular has many advantages, maximising the return on their investment in the Peninsular, taking the club out of a residential area, re generation of the valley and area around the valley, reducing match day congestion, improving council relations with not supporting local residents. Of course there may be no plans to move the club, but if I was the council I'd be pleased if it happens.
For my part, with the right conditions that were beneficial for the club and the fan base, i would not oppose a move, but then the move to Selhurst brought me back to attending matches after five years away.
Yes you did "Only 2 examples I know, but it can turn sour"
Not blue and white no as they're the colours of our rivals. Cardiff weren't changed to white like Swansea.
If someone pumped £100m into Charlton, got us into the premier league and wanted us to play in say black then i think i'd probably get over it. I know a change from red wouldn't be popular though.
Minted - yep
Property developer - x
Colours i could live with being changed.
Badge likewise. Teams changing badges isn't that uncommon these days.
Stadium i would prefer not, but then we might be getting a new stadium anyway if you believe some rumours on this thread.
Powell no.
“the stand-out feature of the masterplan is that it’s been planned around a new 40,000 seat arena, seemingly based on American baseball grounds in concept (or at least, that’s how it’s being presented). This would be an open bowl, with the main stands to the south and east and open views towards Canary Wharf”.
But it also seems that there is already a developer on the proposed site planning a slightly different type of venue; according to the planning blog of former Greenwich Labour councillor Mary Mills:
"developers Cathedral are now on the old sugar refinery site (Morden Wharf, Tunnel Glucose, Amylum, Tate and Lyle, Syrol – whatever you want to call it)"
http://marymills.org.uk/2013/07/29/planning-type-bits-pieces/
This is what Cathedral’s own web page says about it
“In March 2012, along with our partners Development Securities PLC, we acquired Morden Wharf, a 19 acre regeneration site on Greenwich Peninsula. The major riverside regeneration site, formerly a sweeteners refinery, is adjacent to the O2 Arena with 500 metres of Thames river frontage and will play a crucial part in the delivery of the Royal Borough of Greenwich’s masterplan proposals for the western side of the Greenwich Peninsula, published in April 2012…
The Peninsula West Masterplan outlines the Council’s intention to transform the Peninsula into London’s premier entertainment zone by focusing development and regeneration around multi-purpose sports, entertainment and educational facilities that enhance with the offer at the O2 Arena and seamlessly and sustainably link historic Greenwich with the masterplanned zone. Morden Wharf is a world-class site and one of the very few significant London river fronts left for major regeneration.
http://www.cathedralgroup.com/current-projects/morden-wharf/#more-2783
with further information about their plans on the site of Chartered Surveyors Christopher Smith Associates that:
“Leisure Project Morden Wharf
Conversion of a disused riverside wharf factory into a unique events venue. This will consist of a 5,000 capacity indoor entertainment area and a 10,000 capacity outdoor events space. The projects vision is to provide a unique and flexible performing arts complex with broad appeal to the trade and public with a strong link to the building and surrounding areas industrious history”.
http://christophersmithassociates.co.uk/?page_id=1021:
So unless there two sites for two new 'sports and entertainment complexes' planned for the peninsula (in addition to the Dome) I can’t see that either an ‘open bowl … based on American baseball grounds’ or ‘a 10,000 capacity outdoor events space’ represent potential relocation prospects for CAFC. Besides, as developers Cathedral are already on the site it seems likely that their plans will be complete before CAFC gets round to looking for a bigger stadium (whoever our owners are)......
Unless. of course, Cathedral (and/or their ‘partners Development Securities’) are the ‘british property developers’ rumoured to be involved in the bid?