I don't get why we can't do it more often? Last night and Cardiff last season had a similar rally call pre-match, yet against a rival, even midweek the atmosphere is appalling.
We have had some good games against Palace under the lights in recent years with a good atmosphere, the trouble is when we play Millwall a lot of fans give the game a miss in case of trouble and those that do attend keep quiet in case they have a spanner sitting next to them.
Was brilliant. Why on earth could we not do that against Millwall?
We didn't do it against Millwall because the players gave us nothing to be positive and shout about. The crowd last night reacted to what was a good performance from the off besides a goalkeeping error.
The atmosphere is good at The Valley when the team plays well. This seems far more likely than the crowd causing the team to play well to me.
Rubbish. Last night we were a goal down within 2 minutes and didn't even stop singing while the Forest fans celebrated. I think the main reason for the excellent support last night were the recent rumblings and rumours about Powell, and people wanted to show support as against Cardiff last year. Although it does beg the question why we can't do that every week. In my opinion, the team reacted to the crowd last night, not the other way around. So many players have come out and said this in the past, why do people find it so hard to believe?
.....except the prick in the NU that thought it was funny to lob something hard that hit my mate on the head and left him with a lump and a throbbing headache throughout the game!
My six year old grandson was next to him, if it had hit him, I would have spent the game looking for the culprit, I would have given the wanker a good hiding, no question!
Someone must of seen the person throw it, ffs point these twats out to the stewards, they are dangerous!
Brighton, Derby and Leeds had a bigger attendance than us last night. We had an attendance bigger than Barnsley, Birmingham, Blackburn, Blackpool, Doncaster, Middlesboro, and Yeovil.
please come on here and tell me why you would boo that first half performance, based on the crap served up in the last home game even that first half was 100% better
I read on the match thread from clem that he couldn't see what people were saying about the performance, but everyone I was with last night saw a real improvement against a team who are tipped for the promotion mix
I just want to understand it, it was so obvious that there could've been no more than 100 people in the whole crowd last night that agreed with you
so is it personal against powell or are you so disillusioned with football and so separate from reality that you can not see past the actual score at the time
Was brilliant. Why on earth could we not do that against Millwall?
We didn't do it against Millwall because the players gave us nothing to be positive and shout about. The crowd last night reacted to what was a good performance from the off besides a goalkeeping error.
The atmosphere is good at The Valley when the team plays well. This seems far more likely than the crowd causing the team to play well to me.
The home support didn't continuously sing through Millwall's goal when we played them, and there was no indication that the Charlton fans were up for it one bit.
Never agreed with this "give us something to sing about mentality". Yes, we hear it over and over again about how the supporters want value for money, about how handsomely the players are played, about how they should 'play for the shirt' and other cliche football fan phrases.
It doesn't or at least shouldn't work like that. At the end of the day, footballers are still human beings who react well to encouragement and a positive atmosphere. If the 15,000 people around them aren't demonstrating how much they want to beat Millwall, then naturally that effect rubs off on the players as well.
I just don't understand why people would pay to watch a game, and then not want to give unconditional support for their side - no matter what they're up against or how low their confidence is.
Last night demonstrated how The Valley should be every week. Some will laugh, but it could be good enough to push us onto an extra 10 points a season alone.
Thing is, against millwall everyone seems too occupied with anti millwall chants rather then encouraging the team with a positive atmosphere. Last night was just sing for the team and they deffinatly responded, how the crowd didn't literally suck the ball in during that 5/6 chance melle is beyond me!!
So many players have come out and said this in the past, why do people find it so hard to believe?
Because I prefer to base my opinions on more than the 2 examples (Cardiff and Forest games) people frequently reel out to "prove" the positive effect of the fans is so great. There have been loads of other good performances where the atmosphere has been average at best over the last 2 seasons.
The home support didn't continuously sing through Millwall's goal when we played them, and there was no indication that the Charlton fans were up for it one bit.
I can just as easily argue that the home support weren't up for it because the players weren't up for it. I don't believe any amount of singing by the fans would've turned the Millwall game in our favour. Your opinion suggests that it would have.
Never agreed with this "give us something to sing about mentality". Yes, we hear it over and over again about how the supporters want value for money, about how handsomely the players are played, about how they should 'play for the shirt' and other cliche football fan phrases.
It doesn't or at least shouldn't work like that. At the end of the day, footballers are still human beings who react well to encouragement and a positive atmosphere. If the 15,000 people around them aren't demonstrating how much they want to beat Millwall, then naturally that effect rubs off on the players as well.
Last night demonstrated how The Valley should be every week. Some will laugh, but it could be good enough to push us onto an extra 10 points a season alone.
Don't see the relevance of value for money or playing for the shirt cliches. Whilst I agree about the effect of a negative atmosphere, I think you're massively overstating the effect of a positive one. 10 points a season is a crazy amount.
I just don't understand why people would pay to watch a game, and then not want to give unconditional support for their side - no matter what they're up against or how low their confidence is.
My support for the team is unconditional. I just don't think there's much hard evidence to suggest that the level of support makes a massive difference. I believe the tactics employed by both teams and just general performance of all the players was the main differential, and this wasn't cause by the crowd.
Last night was probably the first time I haven't heard the opposing fans celebrate their goal.
All I heard was "Chrissy Powell's Red Army" - great stuff. I'm convinced it made a difference.
Also nice to hear the players acknowledging it on twitter. Class tweet from Hughes. - "Thought the fans were amazing tonight stick with us! Long old season CAFC proud of my team mates"
Well done all.
Let's keep it going and let's show this team what they mean to us week in week out.
I just don't understand why people would pay to watch a game, and then not want to give unconditional support for their side - no matter what they're up against or how low their confidence is.
My support for the team is unconditional. I just don't think there's much hard evidence to suggest that the level of support makes a massive difference. I believe the tactics employed by both teams and just general performance of all the players was the main differential, and this wasn't cause by the crowd.
Have you ever played football in front of a crowd? edit. Im not having much luck in quoting, but im trying to quote dabos's post!
I just don't understand why people would pay to watch a game, and then not want to give unconditional support for their side - no matter what they're up against or how low their confidence is.
My support for the team is unconditional. I just don't think there's much hard evidence to suggest that the level of support makes a massive difference. I believe the tactics employed by both teams and just general performance of all the players was the main differential, and this wasn't cause by the crowd.
Have you ever played football in front of a crowd? edit. Im not having much luck in quoting, but im trying to quote dabos's post!
I just don't understand why people would pay to watch a game, and then not want to give unconditional support for their side - no matter what they're up against or how low their confidence is.
My support for the team is unconditional. I just don't think there's much hard evidence to suggest that the level of support makes a massive difference. I believe the tactics employed by both teams and just general performance of all the players was the main differential, and this wasn't cause by the crowd.
Have you ever played football in front of a crowd? edit. Im not having much luck in quoting, but im trying to quote dabos's post!
No.
There we go then. You'll hear it from every person on here who has played in front of even a tiny little crowd that people shouting and getting behind you really does help to lift you. It's then up the players to use that lift to create a better performance, but saying the crowd don't play a part is wrong imo.
"I can just as easily argue that the home support weren't up for it because the players weren't up for it. I don't believe any amount of singing by the fans would've turned the Millwall game in our favour. Your opinion suggests that it would have."
So everyone bangs on about how much they hate Millwall and how they are our number 1 rivals, but then don't produce an atmosphere off their own back when it comes to the big day? 90% of derby games up and down the country the fans are singing their hearts out before the teams even get on the pitch. The whole 'Entertain me' mentality doesn't really work in the Championship as it might do for the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid.
The fact that the players continuously acknowledge the effect of the crowd after a game like last night, Cardiff last season etc tells you all you need to know.
Any good fanbase is proactive in their support, not just waiting for something to happen before they put down their flasks.
We have won approximately 1 in 6 in games against Millwall whilst being a better side than them for most of their history. The only consistent factor in that fixture is that their fans get behind their team from start to end.
The likes of Millwall, Everton, Stoke, Leeds etc. All away teams (fans and players alike) say things like "It's a hard place to go". Don't underestimate how much an impact a fanbase can play in the mentalities of those in the pitch. And yes, it can be enough to win you an extra couple of games a season and turn a potential loss into a draw. If you open up that extra 10% in adrenaline in the players, you're doing nothing but good. It doesn't pay off every single time, but it certainly promotes confidence and a home fortress perception that a team and management thrive off of.
There we go then. You'll hear it from every person on here who has played in front of even a tiny little crowd that people shouting and getting behind you really does help to lift you. It's then up the players to use that lift to create a better performance, but saying the crowd don't play a part is wrong imo.
I didn't say they play zero part, I said the chances are that other factors are probably more significant, and the effect of the crowd isn't going to give you an extra 10 points per season.
I guess I come at this from a more analytical view point, since it is literally my job to quantify this sort of stuff. And I would not know where to start in quantifying the effect of the crowd, as there's very little data you can go on. And since there is little data to go on besides what the players and fans believe, I am skeptical that the effect can be that big.
Makes it far more enjoyable when the fans get behind the team. We were 1-0 down after 2 minutes ffs but the fans just got behind the team. I don't know what effect it had on the players but it certainly made me feel emotional.....
There we go then. You'll hear it from every person on here who has played in front of even a tiny little crowd that people shouting and getting behind you really does help to lift you. It's then up the players to use that lift to create a better performance, but saying the crowd don't play a part is wrong imo.
I didn't say they play zero part, I said the chances are that other factors are probably more significant, and the effect of the crowd isn't going to give you an extra 10 points per season.
I guess I come at this from a more analytical view point, since it is literally my job to quantify this sort of stuff. And I would not know where to start in quantifying the effect of the crowd, as there's very little data you can go on. And since there is little data to go on besides what the players and fans believe, I am skeptical that the effect can be that big.
I can see where you are coming from. I get that in Baseball, Cricket, NFL and other sports, statistics are part and parcel of the game and I can see where stats have come into football over the last 10 years or so. However having watched a lot of US sport in the flesh, football is a much more emotional game, the players are constantly "in the game" unlike other sports and there isn't the endless stopping and starting and "resetting" of the game. For instance, before we scored last night the atmosphere ramped right up and we were all over them, balls flying in the box people running at defenders and I think the crowd had a big part in putting pressure on Forest and driving our players forward, in other sports the game would stop, time out etc and nullify the effect. Of course you can't quantify it, but I believe the effect is quite big.
Out of interest, did it look noticeably busier in East, West and N lower last night than for Millwall game ?
Think that had something to do with Greenwich uni being handed free & discounted 'Fresher tickets' and perhaps the club were not willing to sell tickets that close to the spanners.
As for the crowd I thought we all did a good job of helping the lads we REALLY could do with that level of support again on Saturday.
Great news that the booing didn't kick in last night. All we need to do now is cut the hands off anyone who writes 'something inside so strong' on the match thread.
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“It can be quite easy to turn against our players but they saw a team that really cared and put in a full effort"
.....except the prick in the NU that thought it was funny to lob something hard that hit my mate on the head and left him with a lump and a throbbing headache throughout the game!
My six year old grandson was next to him, if it had hit him, I would have spent the game looking for the culprit, I would have given the wanker a good hiding, no question!
Someone must of seen the person throw it, ffs point these twats out to the stewards, they are dangerous!
We had an attendance bigger than Barnsley, Birmingham, Blackburn, Blackpool, Doncaster, Middlesboro, and Yeovil.
please come on here and tell me why you would boo that first half performance, based on the crap served up in the last home game even that first half was 100% better
I read on the match thread from clem that he couldn't see what people were saying about the performance, but everyone I was with last night saw a real improvement against a team who are tipped for the promotion mix
I just want to understand it, it was so obvious that there could've been no more than 100 people in the whole crowd last night that agreed with you
so is it personal against powell or are you so disillusioned with football and so separate from reality that you can not see past the actual score at the time
Never agreed with this "give us something to sing about mentality". Yes, we hear it over and over again about how the supporters want value for money, about how handsomely the players are played, about how they should 'play for the shirt' and other cliche football fan phrases.
It doesn't or at least shouldn't work like that. At the end of the day, footballers are still human beings who react well to encouragement and a positive atmosphere. If the 15,000 people around them aren't demonstrating how much they want to beat Millwall, then naturally that effect rubs off on the players as well.
I just don't understand why people would pay to watch a game, and then not want to give unconditional support for their side - no matter what they're up against or how low their confidence is.
Last night demonstrated how The Valley should be every week. Some will laugh, but it could be good enough to push us onto an extra 10 points a season alone.
To be fair the team responded well, more of that please on & off the pitch, it made an old man very happy.
All I heard was "Chrissy Powell's Red Army" - great stuff. I'm convinced it made a difference.
Also nice to hear the players acknowledging it on twitter. Class tweet from Hughes. - "Thought the fans were amazing tonight stick with us! Long old season CAFC proud of my team mates"
Well done all.
Let's keep it going and let's show this team what they mean to us week in week out.
SCP: 100% support.
Have you ever played football in front of a crowd? edit. Im not having much luck in quoting, but im trying to quote dabos's post!
Have you ever played football in front of a crowd? edit. Im not having much luck in quoting, but im trying to quote dabos's post!
No.
There we go then. You'll hear it from every person on here who has played in front of even a tiny little crowd that people shouting and getting behind you really does help to lift you. It's then up the players to use that lift to create a better performance, but saying the crowd don't play a part is wrong imo.
So everyone bangs on about how much they hate Millwall and how they are our number 1 rivals, but then don't produce an atmosphere off their own back when it comes to the big day? 90% of derby games up and down the country the fans are singing their hearts out before the teams even get on the pitch. The whole 'Entertain me' mentality doesn't really work in the Championship as it might do for the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid.
The fact that the players continuously acknowledge the effect of the crowd after a game like last night, Cardiff last season etc tells you all you need to know.
Any good fanbase is proactive in their support, not just waiting for something to happen before they put down their flasks.
We have won approximately 1 in 6 in games against Millwall whilst being a better side than them for most of their history. The only consistent factor in that fixture is that their fans get behind their team from start to end.
The likes of Millwall, Everton, Stoke, Leeds etc. All away teams (fans and players alike) say things like "It's a hard place to go". Don't underestimate how much an impact a fanbase can play in the mentalities of those in the pitch. And yes, it can be enough to win you an extra couple of games a season and turn a potential loss into a draw. If you open up that extra 10% in adrenaline in the players, you're doing nothing but good. It doesn't pay off every single time, but it certainly promotes confidence and a home fortress perception that a team and management thrive off of.
I guess I come at this from a more analytical view point, since it is literally my job to quantify this sort of stuff. And I would not know where to start in quantifying the effect of the crowd, as there's very little data you can go on. And since there is little data to go on besides what the players and fans believe, I am skeptical that the effect can be that big.
Didn't hear any of it after that!
I don't know what effect it had on the players but it certainly made me feel emotional.....
As for the crowd I thought we all did a good job of helping the lads we REALLY could do with that level of support again on Saturday.