OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go.
New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
What I want is a good young manager who'll grow with the club and be ambitious and yet appreciate that the best way to articulate his ambition is to take the club to the next level. Someone who's head won't be turned by having cash to spend and who has a decent track record perhaps a promotion or two in his CV and has the ability to spot and motivate players and who understands the traditions of the club.
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go.
New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
I don't think anyone believes or wants Powell to go if there is investment, it was just a hypothetical question asked by the OP as I'm not sure anyone wouldn't want both.
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go.
New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
To me, charlton is not a chelsea. We are a community club that produces good players from the academy that care about the club and Powell to me represents exactly what we are about and not only that, but he is a fantastic manager but I earge patience so that we dont sack him stupidly like we did to pardew.
It says mountains that we were completely skint (just as much/more than we are now), yet still cobbled together a million quid to get rid of pardew. The guys a twat
yes but many non charlton supporters (I have been unlucky enough to live with a lot of non supporters even though CAFC is my nearest club!) say that we would have stayed in the championship snd it wasnt like anyone else did much better until powell csme back in.
Of course, it's tricky. Is it a Man City change the world type investment or a tidy few quid with strings of lunacy attached (Pompey/Birmingham)? Actually, for me it doesn't matter. I like our current team, I love our manager. I prefer the notion of punching above our weight and eventually getting in to the Premiership on merit and based on organic growth, youth development and excellent management to just purchasing success and being swamped with plastics, like our mates over in Chelsea.
This.
Powell all day long. Ideally he'd be backed by a board that can allow him to make a few sensible cash purchases and can keep the books balanced behind the scenes, rather like Murray and co did for Curbs in the mid/late nineties.
I honestly wouldn't want a bottomless pit, money no object, spendathon a Charlton, with or without Powell.
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go
Nobody has said that. Go back to the original question in the post that opened this thread. A hypothetical choice was given between investment or Powell. People legitimately have responded to that.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go
Nobody has said that. Go back to the original question in the post that opened this thread. A hypothetical choice was given between investment or Powell. People legitimately have responded to that.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
Spot on Kap too many posters on this thread have jumped on the don't sack Powell at all costs bandwagon. The OP option was Investment or Powell and I love SCP to bits BUT no money = no club ! Please get real people.
To me, charlton is not a chelsea. We are a community club that produces good players from the academy that care about the club and Powell to me represents exactly what we are about and not only that, but he is a fantastic manager but I earge patience so that we dont sack him stupidly like we did to pardew.
It says mountains that we were completely skint (just as much/more than we are now), yet still cobbled together a million quid to get rid of pardew. The guys a twat
yes but many non charlton supporters (I have been unlucky enough to live with a lot of non supporters even though CAFC is my nearest club!) say that we would have stayed in the championship snd it wasnt like anyone else did much better until powell csme back in.
That's weird my non supporting Charlton friend thinks Pardew is a shit manager. They can't BOTH be right? Can they?
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go
Nobody has said that. Go back to the original question in the post that opened this thread. A hypothetical choice was given between investment or Powell. People legitimately have responded to that.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
Spot on Kap too many posters on this thread have jumped on the don't sack Powell at all costs bandwagon. The OP option was Investment or Powell and I love SCP to bits BUT no money = no club ! Please get real people.
I note that neither you nor Kap have chosen to answer my own "hypothetical" question above. You are not obliged to, of course, but if that's because it proved difficult to come up with some credible names, that may show you what's wrong with the premise behind the original question.
(Amended wording to take account of Redchaser's later comment)
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go
Nobody has said that. Go back to the original question in the post that opened this thread. A hypothetical choice was given between investment or Powell. People legitimately have responded to that.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
Spot on Kap too many posters on this thread have jumped on the don't sack Powell at all costs bandwagon. The OP option was Investment or Powell and I love SCP to bits BUT no money = no club ! Please get real people.
I note that neither you nor Kap have chosen to answer my own "hypothetical" question above. You are not obliged to, of course, but if you find it too difficult, that may show you what's wrong with the premise behind the original question.
It's ok PA I get your drift, you don't like the question so let's change the question! That's what politicians do all the time isn't it, better still why don't you start another thread as this one has run its course. No need to be condescending either, read my earlier post where I said want CP to stay for as long as proves possible. I'm out.
Sorry if you found my point condescending. I thought that if people asked themselves who would actually be available, today, and found the list to be short, and full of dodgy characters, they'd realise the problem. Any investor who thinks he already knows someone "better" than CP, when that better person is clearly out of work, has questionable judgement. I am not saying CP at any cost. I am saying that just because somebody comes along waving wads of money, it does not mean that they also automatically have the judgement and experience to run a football club effectively. Venkeys is a classic example, as was pointed out early on.
I hate hypothetical questions like these. The question is purely notional and my opinion is that the person starting the thread is getting a mischievous dig in to the majority who support CP.
Fortunately most have not taken the bait in the loaded question and pointed out another purely notional possibility of investment + Powell. New owners with new investment may want to keep CP at the helm. CP is a decent man and survived a couple of big shifts in management at Leicester and stayed on. New owners may feel the same way.
As for the actual question, when this (notional substantial, large scale or is that a pound to buy the club and the debt ?) investment arrives, which is to elevate us to the Premiership and resolve the clubs financial woes, then I'll consider the management question. Who the owner is, what they want to achieve, style of play, how, and who they may wish to keep in place / or hire. How much are they actually investing.
I am sure someone is entertained and ammunition to attack those who support CP by some that don't duly provided.
If you were going to get shot, captured by an evil enemy who may torture you, would you drop off a cliff instead into a fast running river below or take your chances with the evil enemy ?
If you had to lose your good arm or a leg which would you lose ?
If you could gain an arm or a leg which would you choose ?
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go
Nobody has said that. Go back to the original question in the post that opened this thread. A hypothetical choice was given between investment or Powell. People legitimately have responded to that.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
Spot on Kap too many posters on this thread have jumped on the don't sack Powell at all costs bandwagon. The OP option was Investment or Powell and I love SCP to bits BUT no money = no club ! Please get real people.
I note that neither you nor Kap have chosen to answer my own "hypothetical" question above. You are not obliged to, of course, but if that's because it proved difficult to come up with some credible names, that may show you what's wrong with the premise behind the original question.
(Amended wording to take account of Redchaser's later comment)
Conciliatory gesture appreciated PA. I did also post earlier 'this is all if ands buts and maybes' My desire for our club is no different from yours or any other fan, in that it does not go out of existence. I'm definitely out this time by the way :-)
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go.
New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
Looking forward to the names....
So was CP a "credible name" when he was installed then?
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go
Nobody has said that. Go back to the original question in the post that opened this thread. A hypothetical choice was given between investment or Powell. People legitimately have responded to that.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
Spot on Kap too many posters on this thread have jumped on the don't sack Powell at all costs bandwagon. The OP option was Investment or Powell and I love SCP to bits BUT no money = no club ! Please get real people.
I note that neither you nor Kap have chosen to answer my own "hypothetical" question above. You are not obliged to, of course, but if that's because it proved difficult to come up with some credible names, that may show you what's wrong with the premise behind the original question.
(Amended wording to take account of Redchaser's later comment)
Richard your own hypothetical question assumes a desire to sack Chris Powell, which is not the basis upon which comments on this thread have been made.
In a hypothetical situation where an investor came in, cleared the clubs debts and made available a transfer fund of lets say £3 million, in the January transfer window, but replaced Powell, what would you do .. not be angry, upset etc, but actually do?
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go.
New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
Looking forward to the names....
So was CP a "credible name" when he was installed then?
Glad you brought up our current owners. In fact when they took over we were all fretting over the idea that they had their own favourite with them - Dennis Wise. Turns out we were completely wrong to worry about that. They actually came in ready to back Parky, but quickly decided he wasn't the man to handle the investment. Some people thought they were too quick, but having been at that Swindon match myself, I still back them on that decision. Wasn't just what happened on the pitch. They could feel the poison in the stands. Then they went out on the open market and got the best available man for the job.
So they behaved quite differently to what is being talked about in the hypothetical example posed here. And perhaps, as I realised when thinking about this, they deserve more credit for that than I have showed them.
Prague, your hypothetical question kind of proves the point, I'll just make this clear so I'm not jumped on, if investment came in I like pretty much everyone on this board would like to keep Powell. Poyet with 20m of investment however would finish ahead of a team lead by Powell having to bring in freebies like the last couple of years. As long as we didn't have a terrible manager like Dowie last time, the investment in playing squad would be more important than the manager. Venky's are a very extreme example that again, no one would want. At the same time though I think they will probably finish above us this season, is it because Gary Bowyer is a better manager than Powell? Of course not, it is because they could go out and buy Jordan Rhodes. Cardiff constantly being in the playoffs in recent years despite having the average manager of our dear friends the Massives is another example.
OK then. All you guys who think " investment " means somehow Powell has to go.
New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
Looking forward to the names....
So was CP a "credible name" when he was installed then?
Glad you brought up our current owners. In fact when they took over we were all fretting over the idea that they had their own favourite with them - Dennis Wise. Turns out we were completely wrong to worry about that. They actually came in ready to back Parky, but quickly decided he wasn't the man to handle the investment. Some people thought they were too quick, but having been at that Swindon match myself, I still back them on that decision. Wasn't just what happened on the pitch. They could feel the poison in the stands. Then they went out on the open market and got the best available man for the job.
So they behaved quite differently to what is being talked about in the hypothetical example posed here. And perhaps, as I realised when thinking about this, they deserve more credit for that than I have showed them.
So, you think the owners were right to offer the job to Eddie Howe, before going to their second choice, someone who's managerial experience consisted of 1 game as a caretaker manager?
Just being Devil's advocate here. I have no axe to grind.
And, as I said yesterday, to which no one has responded, what if new owners wanted to bring back Alan Curbishley? Would that be a bad thing?
@East_Stand_Loopy As much as I would like to say bring back Curbs, I think his time has come and gone, not sure he would have the hunger to take the same challenge he had all those years ago, on again.
I would have liked at the beginning of CP's reign to see him bring in Curbs or Lennie, but that ship has sailed.
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New owners have today taken over and announced that there is 20m to spend to get us into the Prem by next season. They say CP isn't the man to do it. So, who, pray, would it be, if we are talking about today?
Tell me the names.
It will not be good enough to answer " Pep Guardiaola" because there is a small matter of his contract to get round. So it has to be somebody that these geniuses have not just identified as "better" than CP, but is miraculously sitting and waiting for their call.
Looking forward to the names....
Loved him...
What I want is a good young manager who'll grow with the club and be ambitious and yet appreciate that the best way to articulate his ambition is to take the club to the next level. Someone who's head won't be turned by having cash to spend and who has a decent track record perhaps a promotion or two in his CV and has the ability to spot and motivate players and who understands the traditions of the club.
Someone ideally just like Chris Powell.
How about Alan Curbishley?
Powell all day long. Ideally he'd be backed by a board that can allow him to make a few sensible cash purchases and can keep the books balanced behind the scenes, rather like Murray and co did for Curbs in the mid/late nineties.
I honestly wouldn't want a bottomless pit, money no object, spendathon a Charlton, with or without Powell.
If the question was "Would you get rid of Powell if we had new investment" your question would be more legitimate. .
(Amended wording to take account of Redchaser's later comment)
Fortunately most have not taken the bait in the loaded question and pointed out another purely notional possibility of investment + Powell. New owners with new investment may want to keep CP at the helm. CP is a decent man and survived a couple of big shifts in management at Leicester and stayed on. New owners may feel the same way.
As for the actual question, when this (notional substantial, large scale or is that a pound to buy the club and the debt ?) investment arrives, which is to elevate us to the Premiership and resolve the clubs financial woes, then I'll consider the management question. Who the owner is, what they want to achieve, style of play, how, and who they may wish to keep in place / or hire. How much are they actually investing.
I am sure someone is entertained and ammunition to attack those who support CP by some that don't duly provided.
If you were going to get shot, captured by an evil enemy who may torture you, would you drop off a cliff instead into a fast running river below or take your chances with the evil enemy ?
If you had to lose your good arm or a leg which would you lose ?
If you could gain an arm or a leg which would you choose ?
In a hypothetical situation where an investor came in, cleared the clubs debts and made available a transfer fund of lets say £3 million, in the January transfer window, but replaced Powell, what would you do .. not be angry, upset etc, but actually do?
So they behaved quite differently to what is being talked about in the hypothetical example posed here. And perhaps, as I realised when thinking about this, they deserve more credit for that than I have showed them.
Just being Devil's advocate here. I have no axe to grind.
And, as I said yesterday, to which no one has responded, what if new owners wanted to bring back Alan Curbishley? Would that be a bad thing?
I would have liked at the beginning of CP's reign to see him bring in Curbs or Lennie, but that ship has sailed.