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Getting behind the curve - Pre season FACTS so far

edited July 2013 in General Charlton
There are 13 weeks between the end of last season and the start of this season.

The end of this week is week 11 out of 13.

The important team bonding trip has already gone

Tomorrow is the 4th of a potential 6/7 pre season friendlies.

Since the end of last season, our squad has been reduced by 8 senior players, 10 if you include Obika and Rouamba.

We have so far brought in 1 player. One who is 35 in a couple of months.

The average amount of arrivals per Championship club so far is 4.

We continue to have just 1 senior striker on our books.

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None of the above is a disaster, the season does not start tomorrow.

But if you look at the strategy and approach this regime targeted two seasons ago, the success it brought, and the importance that was later highlighted in our early pre-season work, it is clear that no one will be happy with how once again a frustrating summer appears to be being experienced.

Last season it had no immediate impact, the momentum of players excited at rising to a higher level was evident.

This season may well prove a different challenge.


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  • The average amount of arrivals per Championship club so far is 4.

    That may be true but 15 of the 24 teams in the league have to improve their squads more than we do, and there is no guarantee that they will be of the required quality.

    Wood is looking good to come in and replace the space left by Taylor.

    It may be clutching at straws but Danny Green looks like he'll be kept on and a good pre-season might give him a chance to start again and be the player we thought he might.

    The very succesful development squad are a year older and more involvement with the first team, we could have as good as 1/2/3 new players from there.

    Up front is a concern and i dont think anyone would disagree we need 2 more strikers to go with Yann, Smith, Piggot but the loan window can be used and i have faith that the board will do whatever they can to get CP what he needs.

    We need to be careful with our signings cos if we are to only bring in 3 or 4 over the summer, we cant afford for any of them to be shite or injury prone.
  • If you would have given me that scenario two years ago (or even one year ago) I would have bitten your hand off.

    I'm just very happy that we're a Championship club, with a very good core team.
  • Ok it's official. The boss says that we can now panic !
    Golfie, Large get over here. Panic, panic :-)
  • This doesn't take into account that we may get a few youth team players coming through to the playing squad this season. And I'd rather that than buy two or three.
  • perhaps we are part way through a contract cycle, next summer would resemble that first big summer more in terms of contracts ending?
  • DRF said:

    This doesn't take into account that we may get a few youth team players coming through to the playing squad this season. And I'd rather that than buy two or three.

    I'd agree if they had had loan spells at League 1 or League 2 (other than Smith, and Azeez got a fee mins at Wycombe), but I'm not personally expecting any of them to have an impact on the first team this side of Xmas at least
  • Make the outs 9 and 11 from the opening post as I forgot to include Evina (though i still expect him to re-sign).
  • razil said:

    perhaps we are part way through a contract cycle, next summer would resemble that first big summer more in terms of contracts ending?

    The most worrying thing for me is exactly that. I am more concerned with who I believe is out of contract in less than 12 months time than who we are bringing in (or not) at the moment.

    Chris Powell (and I would assume the entire backroom staff)
    Chris Solly
    Johnnie Jackson
    Ben Hamer
    Rhoys Wiggins
    Michael Morrison
    Bradley Pritchard
    Yann Kermorgant
    Dale Stephens
    Danny Green
    Danny Hollands
    Dorian Dervite
    Leon Cort
    Jordan Cook
    David Button
    Andy Hughes
    Mark Gower
    Michael Smith
    Cedric Evina (if he re-signs on a 1 year deal)

    Some are obviously more important than others and some might well go beforehand but to have that many first team players (not least the manger) all potentially leaving us for zip when it most cases we paid good money for them is my main worry at present. It is certainly far more important than our list for this year at this stage.
  • Raz and ISaw have touched on what i was going to raise as a seperate thread, but i suppose it fits with this.

    Currently we have 26 out of our 28 squad out of contract in 11 months time, along with our manager (Harriot and Wilson excluded).

    I'm actually more concerned about that than the current lack of arrivals.

    Having so many players in the last year of their contract is an extremely dangerous situation. No one wants to get injured in the months running up to being a free agent, and players focus will be elsewhere from xmas onwards.
  • Agree about the contract thing.

    The club need to get CP tied to a contract asap as that will give him the extra urgency to extend the players contracts.
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  • That is scary.
  • DRF said:

    This doesn't take into account that we may get a few youth team players coming through to the playing squad this season. And I'd rather that than buy two or three.

    I'd agree if they had had loan spells at League 1 or League 2 (other than Smith, and Azeez got a fee mins at Wycombe), but I'm not personally expecting any of them to have an impact on the first team this side of Xmas at least
    a point well made AFKA. These kids, and that is what they effectively are, need to go out and get experience at League 1 or 2 before they are going to get a sniff of the first team or, like Harriott, they may make the odd sub appearance here or there but ultimately may take another season or two before they are ready. They need to be nurtured. Chuck them in at the deep end and it could do them, and us, ultimately more harm than good. So to those who say we have Yann, Piggott and Smith and just need to add one other I'd say sorry but in my opinion that is wrong.

    Didn't realise we only have two players on contracts beyond this season, that is a scary thought.

  • edited July 2013
    AFKA, I didn't bother included youngsters in my list but I came to the same conclusion as you. One way or another we have ended up with TWO players (Wilson and Harriott) who have more than 11 months left remaining on their current deals on the entire senior playing and coaching staff.

    In terms of player morale/security, financial protection and mid-term planning this is a horror show. Even if we argue that the current owners have had enough and so don't care (and have run out of dollar), you would assume any prospective purchaser is looking at this and not just the running costs deficit and very very loud alarm bells are ringing. On the financials alone we are currently a club punching significantly above our weight, I'm not sure being in a position whereby nearly every player and coach can leave for free in 11 months is the best assurance to a purchaser that that can continue.
  • No disasters just yet,but what happens when the likes of Solly and wiggins,both very talented and ambitious individuals think "you know what.this journey's not for me any more"?
    'Cutting your cloth' has been a popular phrase these past few seasons and I'm starting to think that some of the better cuts that we have may now be too expensive for our very fragile pockets.


  • Was laid back about this thread until I saw the contracts expiring in a year list. Jeez do we need some new investment.
  • The average amount of arrivals per Championship club so far is 4.

    That may be true but 15 of the 24 teams in the league have to improve their squads more than we do, and there is no guarantee that they will be of the required quality.


    Did you watch us last season ?? It was only because we had a great run at the end of the season that we finished 9th and in reality that was a false position.........in April we were staring at relegation and we could have very easily ended up in the bottom 6 and anyone who just looks at the final table and thinks we had a good season is very much deluded

    Since then we haven't strengthened the squad, but weakened it. I don't care what the other 23 teams did last season or what they are going to do this season - I'm only concerned about us.

  • Had no idea that was the case, that has scared me more than only having 1 recognised striker at present
  • How the hell is it a false position? After 46 games you finish where you deserve to finish. We finished ninth. Last season we were the ninth best team in the league based on results. Not even you can argue with that.
  • edited July 2013
    I also don't believe many (if any) of our much anticipated new signings will help to redress the balance. They will either be loans, or freebies who (like I expect will be the case with Wood) will sign on 1 year deals.
  • SCP is the most important piece in our jigsaw
    and I just hope the board have been open and honest with him this time around
    because from what I heard before last season he was pissballed about as to what budget he was expecting to get
    and it wasn't clear, till far too late on, that the cash that was previously expected didn't materialise

    my only worry is that SCP could leave and then we would see a fall as dramatic if not worse than the one when Curbs departed

    just my opinion and views on the bits i hear
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  • The average amount of arrivals per Championship club so far is 4.

    That may be true but 15 of the 24 teams in the league have to improve their squads more than we do, and there is no guarantee that they will be of the required quality.


    Did you watch us last season ?? It was only because we had a great run at the end of the season that we finished 9th and in reality that was a false position.........in April we were staring at relegation and we could have very easily ended up in the bottom 6 and anyone who just looks at the final table and thinks we had a good season is very much deluded

    Mental
  • The average amount of arrivals per Championship club so far is 4.

    That may be true but 15 of the 24 teams in the league have to improve their squads more than we do, and there is no guarantee that they will be of the required quality.


    Did you watch us last season ?? It was only because we had a great run at the end of the season that we finished 9th and in reality that was a false position.........in April we were staring at relegation and we could have very easily ended up in the bottom 6 and anyone who just looks at the final table and thinks we had a good season is very much deluded

    Since then we haven't strengthened the squad, but weakened it. I don't care what the other 23 teams did last season or what they are going to do this season - I'm only concerned about us.

    Strange. Until I looked at who wrote it.
  • Arguing whether we had a good or bad season last year, or digging at those who hold a different view on that, is entirely irrelevent to this debate.

  • edited July 2013
    For me, I think we are behind the curve a bit, but not by as much as it may seem.

    Lets break it down -

    - GK is taken care of

    - Defence was a strong point last year (and has been for a number of years). Wood for Taylor is arguably an upgrade. Evina for Fox would be a downgrade. Feely and Ajayi are a year older. Overall, we should still be strong at the back

    - Midfield is as you were compared to back end of last year. Personally, I dont think Gower will be a regular starter at 34 / 35. Cousins has got the pedigree - maybe he would be a great holding midfield partner for Jacko. Either way, I would say we are the same as last year (but with others improving that would leave us slipping back.

    - Up front. A total car crash other than Kermorgant. We are not only behind the curve, we haven't even left the pits to join the starting grid. Kermo gets injured and it would be game over. But say we bring in Obika and Sordell. And have Kermo, Obika, Sordell and Pigott. That would maybe get us on a par with last year.

    So overall, I am struggling to see us pushing on, but maybe maintaining a level of performance is adequete whilst we wait for new invetsment.
  • Had a chat with Wiggy - he did some great bursting runs against St M, just like when he first came.
    He said "we badly need a striker"
  • WSSWSS
    edited July 2013
    Such a great bunch of players that hopefully when all of their contracts expire they'll all rock up in the Evostick Southern Division for AFC Charlton in 2014/15.
  • Not only is the out of contract situation a problem looming but we also need to consider that four key players in Jackson, Kermorgant, Hughes and Gower are all in varying degrees into their thirties. Not saying JJ and Kermorgant haven't got a season or two at Championship level left in them but I seriously doubt that Hughes and Gower have. Hopefully some of the youngsters can be ready by then but perhaps they won't be. In any case our squad situation at this moment and also at seasons end has an alarming amount of money needing to be spent.
  • The youngsters don't necessarily need L1 or L2 experience to step up. Harriott has had a grand total of 0 minutes of L1 or L2 loan time and now he's considered central to our plans next season after taking his opportunity in the first team and making the most of it. If they come into the team and do well then that's their level. We definitely need to bring two strikers in but I'd be happy if we had three strikers, Smith and Pigott for the coming season.
  • Don't tempt fate WSS.

    Wish I hadn't opened this thread.
  • Glorious sunshine, a Brits won Wimbledon, a Brits leading the Tour de France, we're 1 up in the Ashes and a royal baby is on the way. I'm going to pretend I haven't read this thread. la la la la la

    (but yeah it's gloomy)
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