Just a thought and i might be way of the mark, but are we now seeing the missing generation which as a club we worked hard to attract in the mid nineties reaching the age when all that testosterone kicks in?
I have to say I thought the Millwall fans created a great atmosphere yesterday. They made more noise than I remember from away fans (much, much more than our fans) and apart from the "You might as well f**k off" song, which I thought was funny under the circumstances, I don't think I once thought they did anything that I wouldn't want my 8 year old witnessing.
Maybe it will soon be us that everyone hates. After all they are making more headlines with their football than anything else and our fans are, in no particular order, abusing former players wives and children, throwing flares onto the pitch, smashing up seats, singing sick songs and raciallly abusing players, including former players.
As much as I would love The Valley to be atmospheric and intimidating to away teams I want no part of what we are becoming. I won't stop coming as I sit far enough away from those people at home but I've virtually stopped going to away games now!
Nah. Thought their away support was shit, quiet as until it was 2-0. Even at 0-0 they didn't sing. We sang all 90 minutes at their gaff. So don't talk nonsense. You can't have been at The Den, and if you were I suggest you remove your earplugs.
I wasn't at the Den. I think I did say I don't go to away games.
I meant they made more noise on Saturday that the North Stand made at the same game. Not for the whole game no but on and off.
I sit, literally, on the half way line at the back of the East Stand and the noise from the Millwall fans completely drowned out the Charlton fans when both sets were singing at the same time. Nonsense or not that is a fact.
Who cares who sings the loudest it aint top of the fucking pops the result matters more why do people keep praising millwall fans the majority of em are idiots and the rest are good supporters simple as that.
Whilst I dont doubt Leroys intentions there must be a link in between losing at home (again) to our local rivals and a thread like this.
I dont feel as strongly as Leroy but admittedly due to work pressures I am a weekend dad at the moment and they get upset when I leave them for 4-5 hours to go and watch a load of rubbish (I do take them sometimes but not Millwall). I miss 5-6 home games a season now to have family time, when for about 15 years I didnt miss that many at all, home or away.
But as AFKA said earlier, you have to dig in and ride out the bad times, last season was great and better days will come and yes there are some absolute nobheads that support the club, but there are also plenty of other seats to choose from.
... the majority of em are idiots and the rest are good supporters simple as that.
What research do you have to back up this claim? Or are you just 'guessing' based on having seen 'The Football Factory'?
I get it. You hate all Millwall fans because they support a different team that is based near where our team plays.
Just because you don't like them doesn't make them scum in the same way that just because they are Charlton fans it doesn't justify the racial abuse that some players were, allegedly, subjected to.
It seems these people only turn up to millwall and palace games.
The whole place changes when them two come to town, and it's always for the worse.
These people aren't charlton fans, we won't see them again for the rest of the season, but unfortunately their attendance twice a season ruins it for the real fans that come every week.
All of it. 35 years of going (that I can remember - its longer than that, but I can't remember going when I was five). I've never been as pissed off as I am now with 'my' club. Owners that don't give a fuck about us, and don't have any identity with the club at all. 'Fans' who seem to think we have a God-given right to win every game at home (despite us, for the most part, being a club that has struggled in 90% of the seasons I've seen us play). Football in general being shit and boring nowadays.
But n reality, what I've really had enough of are some of the absolute fucking arseholes professing to be Charlton fans. For years we've had knuckle draggers giving it about the Valley not being 'intimidating' enough, and us being too 'nice' a club. Well, congratulations. It certainly looked intimidating to the two black blokes behind me as they cringed through the abuse being screamed at Shittu and Abdou yesterday.
I'm starting to hate going, and am 90% sure I won't bother next year. if I was the sort of cunt who enjoyed spending his Saturdays surrounded by pondlife like the bellends near me yesterday I'd go to the toolbox or move to Leeds or Birmingham.
What I would say Leroy Ambrose, is do not let your decision about buying a season ticket or supporting Charlton be influenced by these idiots. You will not see them again, Saturday was the type of hyped fixture that brings out the moron lobby once in a while. But given the game lacked any atmosphere from either set of fans then they will not be back.
Leroy I sit in the North West Quad (when i go these days) and I quite like it there. Still cheaper and you can hear the north upper (when they are in full voice) but not many idiots. Nice crowd around us on Saturday and didnt hear one bit of abuse.
Leroy I sit in the North West Quad (when i go these days) and I quite like it there. Still cheaper and you can hear the north upper (when they are in full voice) but not many idiots. Nice crowd around us on Saturday and didnt hear one bit of abuse.
You should have heard the language when DaveStorry's VG numbers didnt get picked out again.............Disgraceful.
I have to say I thought the Millwall fans created a great atmosphere yesterday. They made more noise than I remember from away fans (much, much more than our fans) and apart from the "You might as well f**k off" song, which I thought was funny under the circumstances, I don't think I once thought they did anything that I wouldn't want my 8 year old witnessing.
I actually thought the opposite, i expected a lot better from them. Apart from the 5-10 minute spell after they went 2-0 up i thought they were pretty quiet overall. Didn't hear a peep from them during the (admittedly dreadful) first half. Thought there was a much better atmosphere, and them being louder, during the 4-4 a couple of years back.
I have to say I thought the Millwall fans created a great atmosphere yesterday. They made more noise than I remember from away fans (much, much more than our fans) and apart from the "You might as well f**k off" song, which I thought was funny under the circumstances, I don't think I once thought they did anything that I wouldn't want my 8 year old witnessing.
I actually thought the opposite, i expected a lot better from them. Apart from the 5-10 minute spell after they went 2-0 up i thought they were pretty quiet overall. Didn't hear a peep from them during the (admittedly dreadful) first half. Thought there was a much better atmosphere, and them being louder, during the 4-4 a couple of years back.
apart from a few occasions they were very quiet until they scored ... probably the quietest I have ever heard the Spanners at the Valley
It does seem that Millwall supporters are trying to change the way they are viewed. They always blame the press etc and say they are judged on their history. They still have idiots though. Many Charlton fans are trying to change the way we are viewed as anoraks etc so they go around smashing places up and getting in fights to make a name for themselves.
I posted this elsewhere but I think it is pertinent to post here as well:
There are too many fans who almost take pleasure when we play badly so they boo, moan and want the manager of the day out. They are conspicuous by their silence and comparative lack of joy when we do well.
Those of us that actually try and back the players are derided as "happy clappers" by these people so you really cannot win!
The lack of respect for the Knox Mizen ceremony by CHARLTON fans (Millwall the supposed scum respected it impeccably) may well prove to be the last straw for me. I am damned by association with the bad mannered scum who could not respect this and had to choose that precise moment to sing the Addams family song.
The football is bad enough but goes with the territory of 50 years of supporting Charlton. The wit and humour of the fans has always compensated to some degree.
No longer it seems.
I know we don't always share the same opinion, Len but I have to say that I agree completely with this!
There's a few of us planning on moving out of the North Upper next year as we can't stand the complete cretins that seem to sit around us at most games now. The ones that you can just feel are willing the likes of Wilson to make a mistake so that they can boo him. Wilson was bad on Saturday and as a fan it's sometimes hard not to let that frustration show - wishing him to be bad is another thing entirely though.
Addams family song is boring and pathetic at the best of times - that it was sung during the Knox Mizen shirt handover was in very bad taste.
... the majority of em are idiots and the rest are good supporters simple as that.
What research do you have to back up this claim? Or are you just 'guessing' based on having seen 'The Football Factory'?
I get it. You hate all Millwall fans because they support a different team that is based near where our team plays.
Just because you don't like me doesn't make them scum in the same way that just because they are Charlton fans it doesn't justify the racial abuse that some players were, allegedly, subjected to.
I was meant to say minority are idiots and the rest are good fans ie like most clubs but they seem to have more than anyone else and they minority seem to love having the we are millwall we are ard tag attached to em which the good supporters there are trying to get rid of,but a lot of our fans seem to be kissing there arses i for one wont
Kings hill i have a lot of millwall mates i play golf with most of em and they are proper nice people but come on you av got to be honest the minority love all the we are millwall intimidating factor personall i think its hilarious.
That's the problem J it's all those little jumped up wannabes that irritate me the most there was loads of them walking around the tunnels into floyd rd and about 15 who went into the nth lower and scarperd as soon as it became obvious they were alone
That's the problem J it's all those little jumped up wannabes that irritate me the most there was loads of them walking around the tunnels into floyd rd and about 15 who went into the nth lower and scarperd as soon as it became obvious they were alone
That's what makes the minority of them scum
D for years coming from deptford , blackheath area mate ive had to listen to the rubbish they come out with honestly mate some of em are as good as gold the rest are as we call em spanners.
... the majority of em are idiots and the rest are good supporters simple as that.
What research do you have to back up this claim? Or are you just 'guessing' based on having seen 'The Football Factory'?
I get it. You hate all Millwall fans because they support a different team that is based near where our team plays.
Just because you don't like me doesn't make them scum in the same way that just because they are Charlton fans it doesn't justify the racial abuse that some players were, allegedly, subjected to.
I was meant to say minority are idiots and the rest are good fans ie like most clubs but they seem to have more than anyone else and they minority seem to love having the we are millwall we are ard tag attached to em which the good supporters there are trying to get rid of,but a lot of our fans seem to be kissing there arses i for one wont
Fair enough, minority I certainly agree with. I also get the desire to want to be 'taken seriously' by the young (probably middle class) fans that have no concept of getting into fights.
I do think, though, that their reputation is more and more based on legend (and not a very good or nice one) than what they are actually like these days.
I've seen very little violence up close at football matches and even watching it in fictional drama makes me feel uncomfortable. I find it frightening to be honest. I never felt like this when I was younger but now, in my 40s, the thought of large numbers of football fans looking for fights with disinterested parties really scares me. Thankfully I think there is still very little of this, and I don't think Millwall have any 'Firms' these days. I would prefer to give them the benefit of doubt on this issue.
As a teenager, I never really got into football at all as a lot of the game was surrounded by violence, supporters tearing the arse out of eachother, ICF, organised rucks etc etc.
In 2005, a good friend of mine invited me down to the Valley, with our sons, and within three matches the whole atmosphere had me hooked. I've been a season ticket holder since and now take both my sons 13 and 5. Along with all the other supporters, we have witnessed some great games and some atrocious seasons but nevertheless, we continue to support the club.
Now in the relatively short time I have supported the club, I have noted a small but significant spawn of pondlife in our supporters. This came to light for me when we played Den Bosch in a pre season friendly. A small but lively contingent of DB supporters lit their corner of the Valley up with songs, chanting and even a bit of music. Sitting in the east stand with my son, our attention was drawn to a group of Charlton illiterate half wits at pitchside who's only interest was to 'Av it' and consequently spent most of the match singing the Addams song and 'Offerin em out' from 90 yards away.
Ironic really in that the song really reflected their own homelife.
This element, I fear, has grown not only in our club but across the Leagues as Sky news is reporting on racism, coin throwing etc almost on a daily basis. Being realistic, you will never eradicate this problem in it's entirety but surely something can be done about it?
A few seasons back, I went into the toilets to find three teenage boys smoking. Not being shy of a few words, I told them to put it out or go outside. They thought about it and obviously realised by my face that I was being serious and consequently left minus cigarettes. I don't subject my kids to that crap so therefore why should anyone else?
This element mixed in with an ever growing number of 'Managers' that surround me at every home game simply menas that if we're not 3-0 up within the first ten minutes then the players will start getting abused. I too get frustrated with performances of late however giving it to the players in that way, on a weekly basis, is not productive nor supportive of your club. Funniest thing I've seen at home was a couple of months back when a guy was walking up the stairs remonstrating about how crap we are and they should all be sacked. A guy who sits in the opposite row to me stood up and said to this guy 'If you don't like it mate, P*** off and support someone else!' Maybe not the way to engage in a debate about our playing style but made me chuckle none the less.
Even on the weekend against Millwall, stewards had to be called to break up a barney between a teenager and a bovril drinker who were at eachothers throats. All that going on whilst another rentagob was shouting at Fuller "Can't you run!!!??? You've only just come on!!! You're useless Fuller!!!"
Where does it end??!!
Sorry to rant on, but the point I suppose I'm trying to make is this:
The team will never come good with it's own supporters hurling abuse, olaying when they string a pass together and the 'Managers' picking out individual players and questioning their parentage.
Support is just that......supporting your club/team through thick and thin (and I don't mean with Rose tinted glasses)
If supporters are fed up with the team/club then by all means voice your opinion but do it constructively. If it really is too much for some then spend your saturday afternoons doing something else.
If you see or witness the pondlife element doing something they shouldn't then tell them, get a steward to deal with it or report it to the club.
Saying nothing/doing nothing will lead to nothing.
All of it. 35 years of going (that I can remember - its longer than that, but I can't remember going when I was five). I've never been as pissed off as I am now with 'my' club. Owners that don't give a fuck about us, and don't have any identity with the club at all. 'Fans' who seem to think we have a God-given right to win every game at home (despite us, for the most part, being a club that has struggled in 90% of the seasons I've seen us play). Football in general being shit and boring nowadays.
But n reality, what I've really had enough of are some of the absolute fucking arseholes professing to be Charlton fans. For years we've had knuckle draggers giving it about the Valley not being 'intimidating' enough, and us being too 'nice' a club. Well, congratulations. It certainly looked intimidating to the two black blokes behind me as they cringed through the abuse being screamed at Shittu and Abdou yesterday.
I'm starting to hate going, and am 90% sure I won't bother next year. if I was the sort of cunt who enjoyed spending his Saturdays surrounded by pondlife like the bellends near me yesterday I'd go to the toolbox or move to Leeds or Birmingham.
I packed it all in during the Prem years. Plastic support dominated the ground, wasn't the club I recognised.
One thing I would say is that once you get out of the habit of going regularly you'll find other stuff to do (I go Erith & Belvedere now) and will find it hard to 'get back into Charlton' as the club inevitably moves on and things change. When I go back now I feel like an outsider even though I must have done close on a 1000 games down the years!
That's my experience of 'having enough of it'.
Related to the owners not giving a f*** about us ... the Hartlepool game is still in recent memory - when the club really went out of their way to put on a great day for the supporters, with seemingly no expense spared. What on earth has happended in the last 10 months!??
All of it. 35 years of going (that I can remember - its longer than that, but I can't remember going when I was five). I've never been as pissed off as I am now with 'my' club. Owners that don't give a fuck about us, and don't have any identity with the club at all. 'Fans' who seem to think we have a God-given right to win every game at home (despite us, for the most part, being a club that has struggled in 90% of the seasons I've seen us play). Football in general being shit and boring nowadays.
But n reality, what I've really had enough of are some of the absolute fucking arseholes professing to be Charlton fans. For years we've had knuckle draggers giving it about the Valley not being 'intimidating' enough, and us being too 'nice' a club. Well, congratulations. It certainly looked intimidating to the two black blokes behind me as they cringed through the abuse being screamed at Shittu and Abdou yesterday.
I'm starting to hate going, and am 90% sure I won't bother next year. if I was the sort of cunt who enjoyed spending his Saturdays surrounded by pondlife like the bellends near me yesterday I'd go to the toolbox or move to Leeds or Birmingham.
I packed it all in during the Prem years. Plastic support dominated the ground, wasn't the club I recognised.
One thing I would say is that once you get out of the habit of going regularly you'll find other stuff to do (I go Erith & Belvedere now) and will find it hard to 'get back into Charlton' as the club inevitably moves on and things change. When I go back now I feel like an outsider even though I must have done close on a 1000 games down the years!
That's my experience of 'having enough of it'.
Related to the owners not giving a f*** about us ... the Hartlepool game is still in recent memory - when the club really went out of their way to put on a great day for the supporters, with seemingly no expense spared. What on earth has happended in the last 10 months!??
I understood that Jim Davidson arranged the Red Devils.
As a teenager, I never really got into football at all as a lot of the game was surrounded by violence, supporters tearing the arse out of eachother, ICF, organised rucks etc etc.
In 2005, a good friend of mine invited me down to the Valley, with our sons, and within three matches the whole atmosphere had me hooked. I've been a season ticket holder since and now take both my sons 13 and 5. Along with all the other supporters, we have witnessed some great games and some atrocious seasons but nevertheless, we continue to support the club.
Now in the relatively short time I have supported the club, I have noted a small but significant spawn of pondlife in our supporters. This came to light for me when we played Den Bosch in a pre season friendly. A small but lively contingent of DB supporters lit their corner of the Valley up with songs, chanting and even a bit of music. Sitting in the east stand with my son, our attention was drawn to a group of Charlton illiterate half wits at pitchside who's only interest was to 'Av it' and consequently spent most of the match singing the Addams song and 'Offerin em out' from 90 yards away.
Ironic really in that the song really reflected their own homelife.
This element, I fear, has grown not only in our club but across the Leagues as Sky news is reporting on racism, coin throwing etc almost on a daily basis. Being realistic, you will never eradicate this problem in it's entirety but surely something can be done about it?
A few seasons back, I went into the toilets to find three teenage boys smoking. Not being shy of a few words, I told them to put it out or go outside. They thought about it and obviously realised by my face that I was being serious and consequently left minus cigarettes. I don't subject my kids to that crap so therefore why should anyone else?
This element mixed in with an ever growing number of 'Managers' that surround me at every home game simply menas that if we're not 3-0 up within the first ten minutes then the players will start getting abused. I too get frustrated with performances of late however giving it to the players in that way, on a weekly basis, is not productive nor supportive of your club. Funniest thing I've seen at home was a couple of months back when a guy was walking up the stairs remonstrating about how crap we are and they should all be sacked. A guy who sits in the opposite row to me stood up and said to this guy 'If you don't like it mate, P*** off and support someone else!' Maybe not the way to engage in a debate about our playing style but made me chuckle none the less.
Even on the weekend against Millwall, stewards had to be called to break up a barney between a teenager and a bovril drinker who were at eachothers throats. All that going on whilst another rentagob was shouting at Fuller "Can't you run!!!??? You've only just come on!!! You're useless Fuller!!!"
Where does it end??!!
Sorry to rant on, but the point I suppose I'm trying to make is this:
The team will never come good with it's own supporters hurling abuse, olaying when they string a pass together and the 'Managers' picking out individual players and questioning their parentage.
Support is just that......supporting your club/team through thick and thin (and I don't mean with Rose tinted glasses)
If supporters are fed up with the team/club then by all means voice your opinion but do it constructively. If it really is too much for some then spend your saturday afternoons doing something else.
If you see or witness the pondlife element doing something they shouldn't then tell them, get a steward to deal with it or report it to the club.
Saying nothing/doing nothing will lead to nothing.
I've thought for a while and believe someone on here posted something similar on a another thread a few months back that a few of support want us to be more like Millwall in our behaviour. I'd say it is mainly some 18-21 year olds that carry this mentality but there also drag in older adults in their late 30's/40's who should know better, I mean anyone here remember the way some of our own were acting at Stevenage away last season?
I've already posted about the incident of racism on Saturday, and there is a scummy/obnoxious/moronic element creeping in. I mean I sit in G Block and you guys in the North Upper know how bad that is. I've sat there for 6 years and I'm now having to move next season because of the morons at the back that I don't want to be associated with by sitting in the same block. Should our own fans really be causing problems like this for each other?
Sorry to rant on, but the point I suppose I'm trying to make is this:
The team will never come good with it's own supporters hurling abuse, olaying when they string a pass together and the 'Managers' picking out individual players and questioning their parentage.
Support is just that......supporting your club/team through thick and thin (and I don't mean with Rose tinted glasses)
If supporters are fed up with the team/club then by all means voice your opinion but do it constructively. If it really is too much for some then spend your saturday afternoons doing something else.
If you see or witness the pondlife element doing something they shouldn't then tell them, get a steward to deal with it or report it to the club.
Saying nothing/doing nothing will lead to nothing.
Rant over. Feel free to abuse me (constructively)
I agree completely with this sentiment but these people are at every club and have for as long as I have been going to football.
I used to have an east stand season ticket when I was a kid / early teens and it used to really wind me up even then. An old bloke and his 40 something son used to sit in front of me and they would moan through the entire game and shout abuse at our own players constantly. I would normally try to sing over them whenever they would moan but one day I had enough and told them to "be quiet" which earned my mum and brother a load of abuse in return as I was only about 12 at the time!
I will never ever understand going to football and not getting behind our own team and players - especially our current squad and manager
I have felt this way many a time, about football, relationships, life in general, everything. I am a believer to a certain extent in natural cycles. The world is going through a bad patch right now and this affects everyone and everything. All things will pass. In a couple of years time Leroy, you'll be at the Valley when Millwall do us 5-0, you'll shrug your shoulders, give a phlegmatic sigh and say: 'Ok who have we got next week? I simply can't wait for the next thrilling game'
All of it. 35 years of going (that I can remember - its longer than that, but I can't remember going when I was five). I've never been as pissed off as I am now with 'my' club. Owners that don't give a fuck about us, and don't have any identity with the club at all. 'Fans' who seem to think we have a God-given right to win every game at home (despite us, for the most part, being a club that has struggled in 90% of the seasons I've seen us play). Football in general being shit and boring nowadays.
But n reality, what I've really had enough of are some of the absolute fucking arseholes professing to be Charlton fans. For years we've had knuckle draggers giving it about the Valley not being 'intimidating' enough, and us being too 'nice' a club. Well, congratulations. It certainly looked intimidating to the two black blokes behind me as they cringed through the abuse being screamed at Shittu and Abdou yesterday.
I'm starting to hate going, and am 90% sure I won't bother next year. if I was the sort of cunt who enjoyed spending his Saturdays surrounded by pondlife like the bellends near me yesterday I'd go to the toolbox or move to Leeds or Birmingham.
To be honest ive argued with my own fans not good i know its probably a bit of frustration and passion all in one but that happens at every league ground up and down the country every week racism no place for it at all .
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I meant they made more noise on Saturday that the North Stand made at the same game. Not for the whole game no but on and off.
I sit, literally, on the half way line at the back of the East Stand and the noise from the Millwall fans completely drowned out the Charlton fans when both sets were singing at the same time. Nonsense or not that is a fact.
I dont feel as strongly as Leroy but admittedly due to work pressures I am a weekend dad at the moment and they get upset when I leave them for 4-5 hours to go and watch a load of rubbish (I do take them sometimes but not Millwall). I miss 5-6 home games a season now to have family time, when for about 15 years I didnt miss that many at all, home or away.
But as AFKA said earlier, you have to dig in and ride out the bad times, last season was great and better days will come and yes there are some absolute nobheads that support the club, but there are also plenty of other seats to choose from.
See you in August Leroy
I get it. You hate all Millwall fans because they support a different team that is based near where our team plays.
Just because you don't like them doesn't make them scum in the same way that just because they are Charlton fans it doesn't justify the racial abuse that some players were, allegedly, subjected to.
I actually thought the opposite, i expected a lot better from them. Apart from the 5-10 minute spell after they went 2-0 up i thought they were pretty quiet overall. Didn't hear a peep from them during the (admittedly dreadful) first half. Thought there was a much better atmosphere, and them being louder, during the 4-4 a couple of years back.
There's a few of us planning on moving out of the North Upper next year as we can't stand the complete cretins that seem to sit around us at most games now. The ones that you can just feel are willing the likes of Wilson to make a mistake so that they can boo him. Wilson was bad on Saturday and as a fan it's sometimes hard not to let that frustration show - wishing him to be bad is another thing entirely though.
Addams family song is boring and pathetic at the best of times - that it was sung during the Knox Mizen shirt handover was in very bad taste.
That's what makes the minority of them scum
I do think, though, that their reputation is more and more based on legend (and not a very good or nice one) than what they are actually like these days.
I've seen very little violence up close at football matches and even watching it in fictional drama makes me feel uncomfortable. I find it frightening to be honest. I never felt like this when I was younger but now, in my 40s, the thought of large numbers of football fans looking for fights with disinterested parties really scares me. Thankfully I think there is still very little of this, and I don't think Millwall have any 'Firms' these days. I would prefer to give them the benefit of doubt on this issue.
In 2005, a good friend of mine invited me down to the Valley, with our sons, and within three matches the whole atmosphere had me hooked.
I've been a season ticket holder since and now take both my sons 13 and 5. Along with all the other supporters, we have witnessed some great games and some atrocious seasons but nevertheless, we continue to support the club.
Now in the relatively short time I have supported the club, I have noted a small but significant spawn of pondlife in our supporters. This came to light for me when we played Den Bosch in a pre season friendly. A small but lively contingent of DB supporters lit their corner of the Valley up with songs, chanting and even a bit of music. Sitting in the east stand with my son, our attention was drawn to a group of Charlton illiterate half wits at pitchside who's only interest was to 'Av it' and consequently spent most of the match singing the Addams song and 'Offerin em out' from 90 yards away.
Ironic really in that the song really reflected their own homelife.
This element, I fear, has grown not only in our club but across the Leagues as Sky news is reporting on racism, coin throwing etc almost on a daily basis. Being realistic, you will never eradicate this problem in it's entirety but surely something can be done about it?
A few seasons back, I went into the toilets to find three teenage boys smoking. Not being shy of a few words, I told them to put it out or go outside. They thought about it and obviously realised by my face that I was being serious and consequently left minus cigarettes. I don't subject my kids to that crap so therefore why should anyone else?
This element mixed in with an ever growing number of 'Managers' that surround me at every home game simply menas that if we're not 3-0 up within the first ten minutes then the players will start getting abused. I too get frustrated with performances of late however giving it to the players in that way, on a weekly basis, is not productive nor supportive of your club. Funniest thing I've seen at home was a couple of months back when a guy was walking up the stairs remonstrating about how crap we are and they should all be sacked. A guy who sits in the opposite row to me stood up and said to this guy 'If you don't like it mate, P*** off and support someone else!' Maybe not the way to engage in a debate about our playing style but made me chuckle none the less.
Even on the weekend against Millwall, stewards had to be called to break up a barney between a teenager and a bovril drinker who were at eachothers throats. All that going on whilst another rentagob was shouting at Fuller "Can't you run!!!??? You've only just come on!!! You're useless Fuller!!!"
Where does it end??!!
Sorry to rant on, but the point I suppose I'm trying to make is this:
The team will never come good with it's own supporters hurling abuse, olaying when they string a pass together and the 'Managers' picking out individual players and questioning their parentage.
Support is just that......supporting your club/team through thick and thin (and I don't mean with Rose tinted glasses)
If supporters are fed up with the team/club then by all means voice your opinion but do it constructively. If it really is too much for some then spend your saturday afternoons doing something else.
If you see or witness the pondlife element doing something they shouldn't then tell them, get a steward to deal with it or report it to the club.
Saying nothing/doing nothing will lead to nothing.
Rant over. Feel free to abuse me (constructively)
One thing I would say is that once you get out of the habit of going regularly you'll find other stuff to do (I go Erith & Belvedere now) and will find it hard to 'get back into Charlton' as the club inevitably moves on and things change. When I go back now I feel like an outsider even though I must have done close on a 1000 games down the years!
That's my experience of 'having enough of it'.
Related to the owners not giving a f*** about us ... the Hartlepool game is still in recent memory - when the club really went out of their way to put on a great day for the supporters, with seemingly no expense spared. What on earth has happended in the last 10 months!??
Could be wrong though as only hearsay.
As for the abuse people have been describing I haven't actually heard it myself but worrying to hear it has happened.
Never been easy supporting "little ol"Charlton but that is probably why I love the club.
I've already posted about the incident of racism on Saturday, and there is a scummy/obnoxious/moronic element creeping in. I mean I sit in G Block and you guys in the North Upper know how bad that is. I've sat there for 6 years and I'm now having to move next season because of the morons at the back that I don't want to be associated with by sitting in the same block. Should our own fans really be causing problems like this for each other?
I used to have an east stand season ticket when I was a kid / early teens and it used to really wind me up even then. An old bloke and his 40 something son used to sit in front of me and they would moan through the entire game and shout abuse at our own players constantly. I would normally try to sing over them whenever they would moan but one day I had enough and told them to "be quiet" which earned my mum and brother a load of abuse in return as I was only about 12 at the time!
I will never ever understand going to football and not getting behind our own team and players - especially our current squad and manager