Until I found this forum(and the other infinitely more mental forum) I never really realised how stupid so many of our fans were.
Now this "bad subs" bandwagon has really gathered speed is it going to be like this after every single loss? One week "Powell should have brought on Dervite", the next week "What was Powell thinking bringing on Dervite?" and then when we win "great decision to bring on Dervite" and so on and so on...
Until I found this forum(and the other infinitely more mental forum) I never really realised how stupid so many of our fans were.
Now this "bad subs" bandwagon has really gathered speed is it going to be like this after every single loss? One week "Powell should have brought on Dervite", the next week "What was Powell thinking bringing on Dervite?" and then when we win "great decision to bring on Dervite" and so on and so on...
I guess it is "constructive criticism" though...
You're right in one respect, but unfortunately it's not "constructive criticism" is it? It's knee jerk over-reaction with the benefit of hindsight.
After the Wednesday game "every could see" he needed to bring on some subs. After this game "everyone" could apparently see that's the wrong decision. Well, which is it?
Until I found this forum(and the other infinitely more mental forum) I never really realised how stupid so many of our fans were.
Now this "bad subs" bandwagon has really gathered speed is it going to be like this after every single loss? One week "Powell should have brought on Dervite", the next week "What was Powell thinking bringing on Dervite?" and then when we win "great decision to bring on Dervite" and so on and so on...
I guess it is "constructive criticism" though...
You're right in one respect, but unfortunately it's not "constructive criticism" is it? It's knee jerk over-reaction with the benefit of hindsight.
After the Wednesday game "every could see" he needed to bring on some subs. After this game "everyone" could apparently see that's the wrong decision. Well, which is it?
Playstation has a lot to answer for.
The last line was sarcasm! Should I have added a smiley?
Its all opinion. I am 100% in support of Chris Powell and the team. My opinions, are what I see when at the games. I want Chris Powell to be manager for a long time and for him and the team to improve when things go wrong.
All post match analysis is with hindsight.
Those that feel that Charlton are able to maintain leads, close games out and that the substitutions are absence of them are peachy and there is nothing to be improved with them are entitled to their opinion.
In my opinion, it is bad for a team / manager, to be insulated from analysis of aspects of the game they can improve on. Unnecessary points drops can continue. Bad for a forum when considered arguments on the strength and weaknesses of a team are not able to be discussed / or dismissed because all posters are not able to express anything other than adoration for a team.
From the other thread
Fuzzy_Dunlop Member 12:18PM It's a bit on the simplistic side (and doesn't factor in several things) but looking through our results this season, here are the points we've dropped in the last 20 minutes of the game:
On an equally simplistic note...this would now give us 58 points and we'd be sitting just behind Cardiff. This, of course, is ridiculous. But it's interesting to see what a fine line we've trod this season between mid-table obscurity and competing for promotion.
By the way, this is in no way having a pop at the team.
Nicholas dont slate powell all the time its his pal who does
I am an ardant SCP man but i accept his weaknesses and his errors the man is in his first managerial job and has been a huge success anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool but a fool who is entitled to his opinion although it is wrong
Where was Dervite even playing? Seems like he was just wandering around on the edge of the area getting in the way of a partnership that were brilliant throughout.
Second game in a row, Powell has taken off the one player on the pitch who is guaranteed to run and run in Wagstaff. Baffling.
Fuller who was probably the best player at holding it up on the pitch, replaced by BWP.
Fair enough, Powell's done well getting a squad together but he has lost us so many points this season that more than likely will determine whether we stay up or not.
Then again 'SCP' is the best manager in the country and those who disagree with him aren't proper fans.
The two extremes always get heard because they shout the loudest. And that't not just football, it's politics, religion, war etc.
In reality, the majority of Charlton fans are satisfied with the job Powell is doing this season but realise that a few tweaks and we could be a lot better off. They also realise that the team is effectively a League One team punching above their weight - due to the manager.
But in his first season when we sitting in 4th (?) he took over and we finished mid table or lower? How many would of been calling for his head if he had no prior connection with the club? I mean enough people hated Parky.
Last season, brilliant. No complaints.
I trust his signings etc but tbh his tactical decisions I've lost alot of faith in. Maybe he could do with an experienced assistant?
The problem with the season he took over something was wrong we wouldnt have stayed 4th for much longer we had a team of players who didnt play for cafc they played for themselves
He dismantled and rebuilt and gave us back our club imo
Yes he has made wrong decisions he is learning and although blind faith is dangerous i believe he should be trusted and be given the time to develop and succeed and get us back to a club that is in the right league thr right postition
Anybody who listened to Andy Hughes on commentary yesterday will now understand just how important SCP is to the players and why we would be in real trouble if he was not here.
SE10 he took charge of a team that he hadnt assembled and had no money to strengthen. He had to see that season out.
Once the summer came he showed his true skill in getting a squad together that won the league in record style.
We are punching above our weight, seem to an excellent togerthness of players and staff, and currently sit 15th in a tough league without invesment.
Regardless of Powells 'status' with the fans, I think he deserves a lot of credit for that and I for one don't think a lot of other people in football would have done what he has.
His people skills had done that. Give him some time to learn and he will master the tactical element.
I support Chris Powell and the Charlton team100%. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism from a position of full support. I want Chris Powell with Dyer to perfect their management skills (and this includes managing to close out games and making proper substitutions) so that they can be at the club for a long time. Management continuity helped with Curbs and I think that maintaining continuity is vital for the stability of the club. I think that Chris Powell is a very good manager and Charlton through and through.
The substitution at 70 mins with Danny Green was spot on and led to Charlton scoring a goal. It gave energy on the right, as in my opinion, Wilson looked off the pace. If we had anybody better, I would give Wilson a rest for a couple of games. That positive substitution made us look forward, I know that DG is not the best player in the world but it was the right move.
The double substitution at the end was wrong. What is the point of double substitutions in injury time ? It disrupts the team and by the time it beds in, the game is over. The substitutions should be made with gaps. It would have disrupted the play and allowed the team to better accommodate the players going onto the pitch. A nice opportunity for the crowd to show appreciation to the players going off as well. One sub on at 90 and another at 92.
Similar to the lesson of not bringing on subs when you are defending a corner unless you really have to, which CP no longer does. CP needs to stop making double substitutions in injury time. It confuses the players, particularly if it involves a change in formation.
Wagstaff for Dervite was wrong. Wagstaff did a great job at left half. After he went off, no player was in the left midfield position. Dervite confused the midfield formation. KMG should have gone off to receive just acclaim for the goal and BWP to play between Fuller, who was still a threat and the midfield. KMG was knackered and was not contributing anything to the midfield battle. At the end the team looked like all over the place and no one knew who they were marking. The double substitution started that.
The players on the pitch bear some responsibility as well and there was a lack of leadership amongst the players and organisation.
This is post match analysis and after the event. I prefer CP to make substitutions and mess it up then not make substitutions and it go horribly wrong, like at Sheff Weds. I trust in CP that he will get it right, but when it goes wrong, supporters and CP should be able to work out what went wrong, to correct mistakes and perfect performances. This division is too close and I do not want to see Charlton near the foot of the table because of an area that needs improvement, such as not perfecting or working on closing games, who to subsitute / or timings of substitutions is not acknowledged or worked on.
I support CP and the players 100%. Analyse, learn the lessons and ensure that Charlton move up the table.
Agree with ValleyGary's sentiments. I'm more than happy with SCP as our manager and what he has managed to achieve on the very limited funds made available to him. For a manager who is only in his second full season in that role to have achieved what he has is deserving of a big pat on the back.
If we'd been flirting with the bottom three all season then maybe I'd start questioning his position but for me he can keep on keeping on.
Until I found this forum(and the other infinitely more mental forum) I never really realised how stupid so many of our fans were.
Now this "bad subs" bandwagon has really gathered speed is it going to be like this after every single loss? One week "Powell should have brought on Dervite", the next week "What was Powell thinking bringing on Dervite?" and then when we win "great decision to bring on Dervite" and so on and so on...
I guess it is "constructive criticism" though...
Too right , i prefer the threads on my cardy , literally.
SE10 he took charge of a team that he hadnt assembled and had no money to strengthen. He had to see that season out.
Once the summer came he showed his true skill in getting a squad together that won the league in record style.
We are punching above our weight, seem to an excellent togerthness of players and staff, and currently sit 15th in a tough league without invesment.
Regardless of Powells 'status' with the fans, I think he deserves a lot of credit for that and I for one don't think a lot of other people in football would have done what he has.
His people skills had done that. Give him some time to learn and he will master the tactical element.
To be fair, parky was given no money and had some bang average players but had us challenging for promotion. Powell was given the money to sign BWP and some loanees yet we dropped like flys.
My point was if Parky had been allowed to sign some loans and BWP yet still finished mid table (Don't think we would have) there is no doubt there would of been people in the car park calling for his head.
I'm not questioning his skills off the pitch, he's proven himself to be a good manager in that respect, it's just his tactical knowledge I believe he is very poor. He is still young but how much longer do we have to wait for him to improve tactically.
It would have only taken a bit more luck last 3 games for us to be sitting in a playoff place now. We have been a little unlucky, earlier in the season we were at times a little lucky. I have been impressed with how much SCP has gotten out of this team of fairly ordinary players. A bit more support from the board and we will go up next season.
SE10 he took charge of a team that he hadnt assembled and had no money to strengthen. He had to see that season out.
Once the summer came he showed his true skill in getting a squad together that won the league in record style.
We are punching above our weight, seem to an excellent togerthness of players and staff, and currently sit 15th in a tough league without invesment.
Regardless of Powells 'status' with the fans, I think he deserves a lot of credit for that and I for one don't think a lot of other people in football would have done what he has.
His people skills had done that. Give him some time to learn and he will master the tactical element.
Fatherhood has changed you Gary.
Yet another of your posts I agree with.
I'm not sure who should be more worried you or me :-)
Until I found this forum(and the other infinitely more mental forum) I never really realised how stupid so many of our fans were.
Now this "bad subs" bandwagon has really gathered speed is it going to be like this after every single loss? One week "Powell should have brought on Dervite", the next week "What was Powell thinking bringing on Dervite?" and then when we win "great decision to bring on Dervite" and so on and so on...
I guess it is "constructive criticism" though...
You're right in one respect, but unfortunately it's not "constructive criticism" is it? It's knee jerk over-reaction with the benefit of hindsight.
After the Wednesday game "every could see" he needed to bring on some subs. After this game "everyone" could apparently see that's the wrong decision. Well, which is it?
Playstation has a lot to answer for.
I think that is the whole point. A manager should be abe to make the right decision at the right time / point in a game. Just working to a formula will never work.
If bringing someone on in one game is right that doesn't make it right in another.
O Randy, unfortunately Powell is the person to blame every week.
Or every week we don't win. When we are doing well the like of Choice, scabby horse and Frontline9 seem to lose all internet access.
Hello, have not read it all but I actually thought we were excellent yesterday how we didn't win I'll never know. First time I thought this season that we actually dominated a team at home, I cannot blame Powell for this one but I'd like a few words with that fecking Butland.
How many points have we dropped from goals in the last 15 minutes, this is getting ridiculous. Maybe dyer out and someone with some nous and experience as number 2
Massive mistake looking at this site... Even a few days after... Powell is doomed unless he wins ... Fact ... Bunch of crybabies on here, who will attack him, should have made subs earlier, should have made subs later etc etc... No one can take it on the chin...
We are in a higher league, and we barely strengthened , we haven't got a solid defensive midfielder to keep in Sade in the last 10, the league 1 tactics aren't strong enough for this division...
In your own words choice " that's football" .... Stop moaning
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Now this "bad subs" bandwagon has really gathered speed is it going to be like this after every single loss? One week "Powell should have brought on Dervite", the next week "What was Powell thinking bringing on Dervite?" and then when we win "great decision to bring on Dervite" and so on and so on...
I guess it is "constructive criticism" though...
After the Wednesday game "every could see" he needed to bring on some subs. After this game "everyone" could apparently see that's the wrong decision. Well, which is it?
Playstation has a lot to answer for.
You'll never beat "Football Director"
All post match analysis is with hindsight.
Those that feel that Charlton are able to maintain leads, close games out and that the substitutions are absence of them are peachy and there is nothing to be improved with them are entitled to their opinion.
In my opinion, it is bad for a team / manager, to be insulated from analysis of aspects of the game they can improve on. Unnecessary points drops can continue. Bad for a forum when considered arguments on the strength and weaknesses of a team are not able to be discussed / or dismissed because all posters are not able to express anything other than adoration for a team.
From the other thread
Fuzzy_Dunlop Member
12:18PM
It's a bit on the simplistic side (and doesn't factor in several things) but looking through our results this season, here are the points we've dropped in the last 20 minutes of the game:
Birmingham 1 – 1 Charlton = 2 points dropped
Charlton 1 – 2 Watford = 1 point dropped
Charlton 1 – 1 Huddersfield = 2 points dropped
Charlton 2 – 2 Brighton = 2 points dropped
Bolton 2 – 0 Charlton = 1 point dropped
Charlton 1 – 1 Derby = 2 points dropped
Charlton 1 – 2 Wendies = 3 points dropped
Palarse 2 – 1 Charlton = 3 points dropped
Charlton 1 – 1 Birmingham = 2 points dropped
Total = 18 points dropped
On an equally simplistic note...this would now give us 58 points and we'd be sitting just behind Cardiff. This, of course, is ridiculous. But it's interesting to see what a fine line we've trod this season between mid-table obscurity and competing for promotion.
By the way, this is in no way having a pop at the team.
I am an ardant SCP man but i accept his weaknesses and his errors the man is in his first managerial job and has been a huge success anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool but a fool who is entitled to his opinion although it is wrong
Second game in a row, Powell has taken off the one player on the pitch who is guaranteed to run and run in Wagstaff. Baffling.
Fuller who was probably the best player at holding it up on the pitch, replaced by BWP.
Fair enough, Powell's done well getting a squad together but he has lost us so many points this season that more than likely will determine whether we stay up or not.
Then again 'SCP' is the best manager in the country and those who disagree with him aren't proper fans.
But i would agree with the rest
I would add he has earned the right for us to trust him and give him time would you not agree ??
Would you say he has been a success in the 2 yrs he has been here
The two extremes always get heard because they shout the loudest. And that't not just football, it's politics, religion, war etc.
In reality, the majority of Charlton fans are satisfied with the job Powell is doing this season but realise that a few tweaks and we could be a lot better off. They also realise that the team is effectively a League One team punching above their weight - due to the manager.
I am yet to be told one credible replacement
But in his first season when we sitting in 4th (?) he took over and we finished mid table or lower? How many would of been calling for his head if he had no prior connection with the club? I mean enough people hated Parky.
Last season, brilliant. No complaints.
I trust his signings etc but tbh his tactical decisions I've lost alot of faith in. Maybe he could do with an experienced assistant?
He dismantled and rebuilt and gave us back our club imo
Yes he has made wrong decisions he is learning and although blind faith is dangerous i believe he should be trusted and be given the time to develop and succeed and get us back to a club that is in the right league thr right postition
Once the summer came he showed his true skill in getting a squad together that won the league in record style.
We are punching above our weight, seem to an excellent togerthness of players and staff, and currently sit 15th in a tough league without invesment.
Regardless of Powells 'status' with the fans, I think he deserves a lot of credit for that and I for one don't think a lot of other people in football would have done what he has.
His people skills had done that. Give him some time to learn and he will master the tactical element.
If we'd been flirting with the bottom three all season then maybe I'd start questioning his position but for me he can keep on keeping on.
The only way i would question is if we got relegated
My point was if Parky had been allowed to sign some loans and BWP yet still finished mid table (Don't think we would have) there is no doubt there would of been people in the car park calling for his head.
I'm not questioning his skills off the pitch, he's proven himself to be a good manager in that respect, it's just his tactical knowledge I believe he is very poor. He is still young but how much longer do we have to wait for him to improve tactically.
It'll be progress after all !!
Yet another of your posts I agree with.
I'm not sure who should be more worried you or me :-)
If bringing someone on in one game is right that doesn't make it right in another.
We are in a higher league, and we barely strengthened , we haven't got a solid defensive midfielder to keep in Sade in the last 10, the league 1 tactics aren't strong enough for this division...
In your own words choice " that's football" .... Stop moaning