CP got us up with a record points total he then has hardly spent a penny in getting us to mid table in a league where teams can spend millions on one player.
Yes he's made mistakes but that's to be expected, if we'd taken our chances today this thread wouldn't be here. He's done a brilliant job imo he's getting a team from league one hard working and grinding out results on a budget which is one of the smallest in the league
CP got us up with a record points total he then has hardly spent a penny in getting us to mid table in a league where teams can spend millions on one player.
Yes he's made mistakes but that's to be expected, if we'd taken our chances today this thread wouldn't be here. He's done a brilliant job imo he's getting a team from league one hard working and grinding out results on a budget which is one of the smallest in the league
Powell gets so much right in terms of signings, creating a great team spirit and setting the team up well tactically on most occasions. But doing all that so well is totally wasted, if on a match day, he throws points down the drain by refusing to use substitutes when they are obviously needed. Yesterday loss, in such a similar fashion to the Wednesday defeat may well have been partly caused by failing to use subs against Wednesday. It was a very heavy pitch and as I said earlier in the week, draining and psychologically damaging to many of those players who took the field yesterday. Six points lost in a week, which should be added to the six points he previously admitted that we should have gained in the season to date. This squad is good enough, they've proved it on numerous occasions against the top teams. We should really be in the play off places right now.
I personally think this squad is outperforming their own ability and think that 4th bottom will be a result and I'd take that for the next 4 seasons if the owners wanna pump the money in(as long as its friendly debt/charity or wherever it's coming from doesn't cripple us in the future) just to keep us ticking over Until a decent amount is pumped in to this squad they'll have to punch above their weight , which is what SCP is getting them to do I personally think no one (within reason) could get this squad in a better place than where they are at and the consequences of him leaving would be akin to the loss of the legend that was Curbs
Yeah ... I reckon we need to sack him NOW ... immediately ... And then beat him up on the way out whilst spitting on him and then stick a sign on his his back saying "use your ******* subs earlier you thicko"
I think we could go up next season with a couple of additions only -maybe even one if we keep Solly. We are a very good side. We have been done tactically too many times but whilst this is frustrating, it is ridiculous to call for Powell's head. He is a young manager who is learning in a tough league.
I do honestly believe he will analyse and become less cautious. That's all he needs to do - all his other attributes tick the boxes and some. Don't chuck the baby out with the bath water.
Some idiots wanted Curbishley out!!!! You have to know when you have a good thing, and Powell is a good thing.
Some are calling for Pritchard to be dropped when people who know a bit about the game can see he is going to be one hell of a player, and these games are a learning curve for him. What Chrissy needs is our support - which I know he has- and to chat to a few wise heads and go through the last couple of games and ask them what he could have done differently. That's all. Next season we will be better for it.
Please don't question Powell. People questioned Curbishley and look where that got us.
I think we're entitled to question Powell, but we need to be realistic about what he as a manager can achieve. The thing that makes me laugh is that for YEARS Curbs was the king of the 86th minute substitution, and at times made some utterly baffling tactical decisions - Eddie Youds up front against Wimbledon at Selhurst anyone? And as for defending deep, I lost count of the number of times we practically had a back 8.
This isn't to diss Curbs; he's quite rightly a legend, but he wasn't perfect by any means, and he spent 7 years learning his trade as manager before we got promoted to the Prem. And sometimes it was bloody obvious from the way that Merv was going apeshit on the touchline, that whatever the bench were trying to get the team to do, it just wasn't coming off. It's not like chess where you move the pieces around - the players are human beings and sometimes they get a collective dose of headless chicken syndrome, or just revert to their instinctive game when they're knackered.
Where we're lucky with Powell is that he understands the club, and isn't wasting time and money trying to turn us into something we're not. This season was always about establishing ourselves in the division, nothing more. Hopefully next season we'll be able to progress but realistically that's likely to be at the expense of losing Solly, Stephens or Wiggins to a club in the Prem in order to invest, or just balance the books.
Back in the 80's and 90's we didn't use to talk about tactics....we used to talk about whether we were playing well or not. We used to talk about good players or bad players. On balance the manager is doing very well to have produced a team that even had some people thinking about a play off position. The team is based on a good shape and hard work but we don't have a proven goal scorer at this level (Fuller hardly counts because he rarely plays more than two games running) and we are reliant on Jackson for most of the game changing goals. Yesterday he missed a couple which is rare. The likes of Hamer, Morrison, Solly, Evina, Pritchard, Stephens, Wilson, Wiggins and Wagstaff will all improve with more games at this level. Whether they improve enough to mount a promotion challenge in a year or so remains to be seen but they all have the potential to do so. Think back to 97/98....one really good striker could change everything.....
The finances are going to be important next season - People are looking to who we can bring in, but it is about who we keep IMO. If we can find a bit of cash, keeping Solly is key - Wiggins will probably stay due to his injury not allowing him to show what he can do. Stephens and Pritchard will go up a gear - you can see them getting there already - JJ will be an important squad player but not a starter.
Evina has convinced me he has a real future. Solly and Wilson is the best right side in the league- Evina and Wiggins has the potential to be the best left. We really are not far away!
I'm a fan of Powell and certainly wouldn't want him to leave. But that's not to say we aren't allowed to feel frustrated when mistakes are made. Yes he is learning, yes he is Charlton through and through, yes he will improve his approach (we hope), and are we allowed to be frustrated when we don't win/play bad/make mistakes..... Of course we are. Not many, if any, are calling for Powell to be replaced, but surely we are entitled to vent on here if things aren't going well otherwise it doesn't show that we care.
Everyone expresses themselves in different ways.
Two games on the trot now he has gone from a team controlling the game to one who looks very disorganised once opposing team changes their tactics He is very unsure how to alter tactics and freshen things up. He needs to learn, but in the same vein Dyer and Matthew also need to advise considering they are his assistants. We know we can play good football at this level, we just need decent plans a,b and c when things go bad. Sitting deep and holding on to a 1-0 is always dangerous especially if your team is not strong enough to do that.
He will learn and with a little investment in the squad in the summer who knows. I want Powell to become the next curbishley and be our manager for years to come. But that doesn't mean I can't criticise when things go wrong.
Great to know that so many of our fans are tactical and strategic geniuses, you should probably get on the blower to SCP and tell him that you think his tactics and substitutions are costing us points and give him the benefit of your expertise.
Over the last few years I have seen every manager we have had from Dowie, Pardew, Parkinson and now SCP get accused of being - and I just love the chutzpah of this - " tactically naive" it's so ridiculous that its beyond pathetic.
Not to say that Powell doesn't make mistakes because he obviously does but lets be clear here, who are you going to bank on to understand the game better, a bloke who played 700 professional games - including about 10 seasons in the Premier League - and who got 5 England caps - or some bloke in the stands who has never earns a single pound note out of the game?
I am not saying you have to have played pro to understand football but for FFS some of the drivel on here having a pop at Powell is mental, pure mental, the bloke has forgotten more about football than most on here will ever know.
Please don't question Powell. People questioned Curbishley and look where that got us.
We are allowed to question Powell, there is difference between debating the merits of his tactics on an internet forum and protesting at a match, creating a bitter atmosphere etc. If Slater, TJ and co. really got rid of managers on the basis of what we online Addicks said, Powell would have been long gone thanks to Reams, his lackeys and of course his alternate identities.
I really don't get why some of you are blaming Powell this season?!?!??! What were you expecting? Promotion contenders? Some of the fans are already calling for Powell to be sacked and quiet frankly I think they are idiots because the squad we have got is also learning the Championship and I think we are doing bloody well compared to Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday. I too don't understand some of Powells decisions but I felt exactly the same with Curbishley and look where he took us!
I was disappointed we did not invest further last summer but I think our transfer budget was so low considering last season we spent money on 15 players which is a complete revamp squad of players and it was clearly obvious it had to be done. I believe we doubled our transfer budget and the board made it obvious that not only they want us to be good enough for promotion but be also good enough for the Championship and that is what we currently achieved. We could spend money we have not got, however if you want us to then you can sign a petition for Peter Ridsdale to be involved!
I don't have time for continuos rumours of takeovers and us being in financial meltdown because there is clearly no evidence to back this up. If we dont have enough cash to spend the next summer window then i think the club will have to plan like what we did in the 90's and sell our best player for a big sum of money then use it to invest on a couple of players. The good thing is that we don't have to use it to increase the Valley this time.
I think we need to play the patient game and just look at what the club does the rest of the season and the transfer window. As long as we are not close to relegation back to League One and enter a transfer embargo or administration then we will be just fine!
Am I honestly the only person who thinks we are having a good season? I don't understand why people think we should sack Powell if we don't get play offs. People seen to think we have some sort of right to be back in the prem but there are bigger clubs than us that haven't managed to get back there yet.
Am I honestly the only person who thinks we are having a good season? I don't understand why people think we should sack Powell if we don't get play offs. People seen to think we have some sort of right to be back in the prem but there are bigger clubs than us that haven't managed to get back there yet.
Because after romping away with League 1 last season , people get carried away and think this division is going to be a piece of cake. We are building slowly whether the finances will be in place for the Summer i don't know , a decent Left Mid , Centre Mid and a 20 plus goals a season and we could be challenging for the play offs.
This season is all about staying up hopefully blood one or two youngsters and learn from this season , take the rough with the smooth , be honest i know it hurts losing twice to Palace this season , but they have been in this division a lot longer than us , as have Millwall.
Blame Powell? Yes, the buck stops with him. Praise Powell? Yes, the buck stops with him. Dismiss Powell? No. Reasons. Track record. Interpersonal skills with players. Great collaborative skills with his coaching team. The ability to mould a TEAM, rather than hope to rely on a single brilliant individual to do it for him. The skill he has already shown in the wide variety of demands placed on him as manager. Shrewd and able to learn. Authoritarian when needed but never insensitive. His decent eye for a player.
Why doesn't he win every game 5-0? Because of course all the alternative managers would wouldn't they?
Chris Powell is one of the best things to happen to our club in one of the darkest times, as was Lennie Lawrence all those years ago. If it were me I would give him a very long contract, yes praise and blame in proportion, collaborate with him, reach compromises about what can be done within our resources, and support him publically to the hilt. He is the captain of our ship, right now we don't have an ocean going liner, but not a rowboat either, let him sail on and go for it.
The aim for this season is to stay up, that's obvious. Anything else is a bonus. Of course there is a plan and I wouldn't be surprised if we spend a few quid in the summer after getting rid of the deadwood. Powell has worked wonders in my eyes. Yes the last few weeks we've given away leads, we learn and move on. We are a work in progress.
Blame Powell? Yes, the buck stops with him. Praise Powell? Yes, the buck stops with him. Dismiss Powell? No. Reasons. Track record. Interpersonal skills with players. Great collaborative skills with his coaching team. The ability to mould a TEAM, rather than hope to rely on a single brilliant individual to do it for him. The skill he has already shown in the wide variety of demands placed on him as manager. Shrewd and able to learn. Authoritarian when needed but never insensitive. His decent eye for a player.
Why doesn't he win every game 5-0? Because of course all the alternative managers would wouldn't they?
Chris Powell is one of the best things to happen to our club in one of the darkest times, as was Lennie Lawrence all those years ago. If it were me I would give him a very long contract, yes praise and blame in proportion, collaborate with him, reach compromises about what can be done within our resources, and support him publically to the hilt. He is the captain of our ship, right now we don't have an ocean going liner, but not a rowboat either, let him sail on and go for it.
The aim for this season is to stay up, that's obvious. Anything else is a bonus. Of course there is a plan and I wouldn't be surprised if we spend a few quid in the summer after getting rid of the deadwood. Powell has worked wonders in my eyes. Yes the last few weeks we've given away leads, we learn and move on. We are a work in progress.
You have done it now,getting rid of the deadwood is not an acceptable expression.Expect a backlash.
He's done a good job on a lack of funds, shame we couldn't of picked up an impact player like Kevin Phillips in the transfer window and we would of avoided defeat yesterday but any movement was dependent on players going out and I guess stayin up has to be priority then build for promption next season in the summer
Just don't understand so called business men taking over a club losing x amount every season, wanted them to get to the premier to make a profit but not backing the manager when a couple of players in the transfer window would have seen us comfortably mid table ready for a push next season. Millionaires with no real conection to charlton happily or not forking out 1 million a month to keep us afloat..........how bazaar and baffling . When you look at the evidence Chrissy has done amazing, mistakes I know but any other manager would surely have walked.
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Yes he's made mistakes but that's to be expected, if we'd taken our chances today this thread wouldn't be here. He's done a brilliant job imo he's getting a team from league one hard working and grinding out results on a budget which is one of the smallest in the league
Yes he's made mistakes but that's to be expected, if we'd taken our chances today this thread wouldn't be here. He's done a brilliant job imo he's getting a team from league one hard working and grinding out results on a budget which is one of the smallest in the league
Until a decent amount is pumped in to this squad they'll have to punch above their weight , which is what SCP is getting them to do
I personally think no one (within reason) could get this squad in a better place than where they are at and the consequences of him leaving would be akin to the loss of the legend that was Curbs So back him not sack him you impatient bells
I do honestly believe he will analyse and become less cautious. That's all he needs to do - all his other attributes tick the boxes and some. Don't chuck the baby out with the bath water.
Some idiots wanted Curbishley out!!!! You have to know when you have a good thing, and Powell is a good thing.
Some are calling for Pritchard to be dropped when people who know a bit about the game can see he is going to be one hell of a player, and these games are a learning curve for him. What Chrissy needs is our support - which I know he has- and to chat to a few wise heads and go through the last couple of games and ask them what he could have done differently. That's all. Next season we will be better for it.
This isn't to diss Curbs; he's quite rightly a legend, but he wasn't perfect by any means, and he spent 7 years learning his trade as manager before we got promoted to the Prem. And sometimes it was bloody obvious from the way that Merv was going apeshit on the touchline, that whatever the bench were trying to get the team to do, it just wasn't coming off. It's not like chess where you move the pieces around - the players are human beings and sometimes they get a collective dose of headless chicken syndrome, or just revert to their instinctive game when they're knackered.
Where we're lucky with Powell is that he understands the club, and isn't wasting time and money trying to turn us into something we're not. This season was always about establishing ourselves in the division, nothing more. Hopefully next season we'll be able to progress but realistically that's likely to be at the expense of losing Solly, Stephens or Wiggins to a club in the Prem in order to invest, or just balance the books.
Evina has convinced me he has a real future. Solly and Wilson is the best right side in the league- Evina and Wiggins has the potential to be the best left. We really are not far away!
Considering our outgoings are double our revenue, just be glad nobody was sold.
Everyone expresses themselves in different ways.
Two games on the trot now he has gone from a team controlling the game to one who looks very disorganised once opposing team changes their tactics He is very unsure how to alter tactics and freshen things up. He needs to learn, but in the same vein Dyer and Matthew also need to advise considering they are his assistants. We know we can play good football at this level, we just need decent plans a,b and c when things go bad. Sitting deep and holding on to a 1-0 is always dangerous especially if your team is not strong enough to do that.
He will learn and with a little investment in the squad in the summer who knows. I want Powell to become the next curbishley and be our manager for years to come. But that doesn't mean I can't criticise when things go wrong.
Over the last few years I have seen every manager we have had from Dowie, Pardew, Parkinson and now SCP get accused of being - and I just love the chutzpah of this - " tactically naive" it's so ridiculous that its beyond pathetic.
Not to say that Powell doesn't make mistakes because he obviously does but lets be clear here, who are you going to bank on to understand the game better, a bloke who played 700 professional games - including about 10 seasons in the Premier League - and who got 5 England caps - or some bloke in the stands who has never earns a single pound note out of the game?
I am not saying you have to have played pro to understand football but for FFS some of the drivel on here having a pop at Powell is mental, pure mental, the bloke has forgotten more about football than most on here will ever know.
I was disappointed we did not invest further last summer but I think our transfer budget was so low considering last season we spent money on 15 players which is a complete revamp squad of players and it was clearly obvious it had to be done. I believe we doubled our transfer budget and the board made it obvious that not only they want us to be good enough for promotion but be also good enough for the Championship and that is what we currently achieved. We could spend money we have not got, however if you want us to then you can sign a petition for Peter Ridsdale to be involved!
I don't have time for continuos rumours of takeovers and us being in financial meltdown because there is clearly no evidence to back this up. If we dont have enough cash to spend the next summer window then i think the club will have to plan like what we did in the 90's and sell our best player for a big sum of money then use it to invest on a couple of players. The good thing is that we don't have to use it to increase the Valley this time.
I think we need to play the patient game and just look at what the club does the rest of the season and the transfer window. As long as we are not close to relegation back to League One and enter a transfer embargo or administration then we will be just fine!
We are building slowly whether the finances will be in place for the Summer i don't know , a decent Left Mid , Centre Mid and a 20 plus goals a season and we could be challenging for the play offs.
This season is all about staying up hopefully blood one or two youngsters and learn from this season , take the rough with the smooth , be honest i know it hurts losing twice to Palace this season , but they have been in this division a lot longer than us , as have Millwall.
Praise Powell? Yes, the buck stops with him.
Dismiss Powell? No.
Reasons.
Track record.
Interpersonal skills with players.
Great collaborative skills with his coaching team.
The ability to mould a TEAM, rather than hope to rely on a single brilliant individual to do it for him.
The skill he has already shown in the wide variety of demands placed on him as manager.
Shrewd and able to learn. Authoritarian when needed but never insensitive.
His decent eye for a player.
Why doesn't he win every game 5-0? Because of course all the alternative managers would wouldn't they?
Chris Powell is one of the best things to happen to our club in one of the darkest times, as was Lennie Lawrence all those years ago.
If it were me I would give him a very long contract, yes praise and blame in proportion, collaborate with him, reach compromises about what can be done within our resources, and support him publically to the hilt.
He is the captain of our ship, right now we don't have an ocean going liner, but not a rowboat either, let him sail on and go for it.
Arise, Sir Seth !
Walk the plank Powell ;-)
make a profit but not backing the manager when a couple of players in the transfer window would have seen us comfortably mid table ready for a push next season. Millionaires with no
real conection to charlton happily or not forking out 1 million a month to keep us afloat..........how bazaar and baffling . When you look at the evidence Chrissy has done amazing, mistakes I know but any other manager would surely have walked.