Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
Fair enough PA, it's always good, nay esssential, to have both points of view presented. My main question however would be why don't they bl****y communicate with us themselves? It just creates the impression that they don't care one jot about the supporters and if they don't care about us, and bearing in mind that I'm still pretty upset over the staff reduction programme, why should I have any faith in them? The rumours about CP being under pressure are highly plausible IMO but it's the remaining directors themselves who can alter this perception e.g. by using the match day programme to show their continuing support for CP. The fact that they haven't bothered speaks volumes to me. Fortunately the supporters are leaving CP in no doubt at all about how much WE care about and love him.
Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
we can be sure that they will be working hard to ensure that the club doesn't go belly up, as if it does so does all of their investment.
not that we'll ever know but it all depends on their level of investment , i'm guessing murray has more invested with friendly debt etc than someone like TJ, how much is he risking personally is the question , hopefully it isn't a free bet because their the ones no one cares too much about losing
I don't like the use of double negatives and slang. I think if we're going to imagine investors they should be more middle class and have a better grasp of grammar. It's all very well going down to Barts and acting like an extra from Lock, Stock, but if he's trying to broker a tricky deal with chairmen like Gartside, Berlusconi or Charles Green and he goes around calling people "geezer" they'll laugh at him. When I imagine what Tony is thinking I give him a monocle and have him refer to himself as "one". In my mind TJ knows that you need to "act Premiership" to become Premiership.
I think that we all know Tony Jimenez is not going to communicate with us. Perhaps the appointment of a new CEO, if that is indeed to happen, will lead to greater communication with the fans, but I don't think we can count on it.
we can be sure that they will be working hard to ensure that the club doesn't go belly up, as if it does so does all of their investment.
not that we'll ever know but it all depends on their level of investment , i'm guessing murray has more invested with friendly debt etc than someone like TJ, how much is he risking personally is the question , hopefully it isn't a free bet because their the ones no one cares too much about losing
Yes, you're right, and that is my biggest concern. There is very little to suggest that Jimenez is rich enough to be risking millions and millions of his own cash into the club.
Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
I was thinking the same....have written similar things in the past few months about how without the current board we'd probably be properly up shit creek by now and perhaps we should perhaps show a bit more gratitude rather than the often character assasinations based on hearsay, rumour and speculation that has been posted here and elsewhere over the past few months demonising the board as if they are intent on driving the club into the ground.
Feels to me that peoples' comfort blankets have been thrown out by the new lot and it's caused a kerfuffle and caused them to look for any rumour or gossip that can be expanded to flesh out their theories that the board who saved us from the brink of folding and delivered a cult hero manager, kept prices down, kept the squad they brought in and delivered promotion are somehow intent on destroying all things Charlton.
Also a level of hypocracy when staff were sacked during the glory parky days in less that classy circumstances there didn't seem to be as much uproar with the old regime.
Also remember posts on hear celebrating Waggots sacking and snide comments of will he be missed being posted which didnt give rise to such questioning. Such posts are still there to see.
Double standards.
The board are there to make money...this is achieved by getting us to the premiership and cashing in...ive thought that from day one and not kidded myself its for anything else....destroying the club or being detrimental to it will not help them achieve that objective so everything they do is with intention to take the club forwards and away from the quagmire the previous regime found itself muddling through after lacking the forsight to have a contingency plan in place post Curbs.
Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
100% agreed.
Same here, its kind of pointless putting another view across when it opposes the way the majority are swaying....its just easier to not bother, hence I dont generally get involved.
A lot of what was said echoes what Ive heard RM say in the past to be fair.....you dont like it? then put your hand in your pocket......its a tough pill to swallow for us mere fans, you just have to remember that not all direcors are dyed in the wall Addicks.
Funny that other people have said almost all of this in other threads and been completely shot down in flames but someone claims they are a little in the know and suddenly its all accepted with love and kisses.
If someone with a talent for creating imaginary characters has had a chat with an unnamed person then formed a whole series of guesses on that basis it's good enough for me, and it should be good enough for all of us. Innit? As imaginary TJ would say.
I can see both points of view. What I would say in my experience, is that bosses with let's say a strong autocratic style, are often successful in the short/ medium term, but not so successful in the long term. As partners, colleagues & employees are not as loyal, if they are not treated with respect.
However, I suppose TJ is unlikely to be here in the long term, in any case.
An entertaing post capturing the right level of arrogance and contempt for fans that might be recognised by the more miss-guided of, say, Newcastle United's fans. What we now need, in the interest of balance is a post from the view point of Slater's backer; Cash or "No Cash". Afterall it is probable that he has sunk a great deal more into the club at this point in time and not surprising that he has said: TJ. with your financial acumen and great depth of experience in soccer investment, it is your turn to keep this ship afloat
In which case, he is doing all right so far despite casualties on the way! However, the buring questionis. Does the fictional TJ have the the financial muscle himself to do this for any length of time? or, more to the point, are his backers (be they investors or bankers) prepared to wait for as long as it takes to get a return. He might own 49% but he doesn't have control and that could be a problem for him.........and in the wings sits Cash or "No Cash"
But then the real TJ will have worked out this for himself and be only too well aware of the real value of core fans, whether or not they are represented by a Trust. The Club may produce its initiatives but it is the fans that help make them work. We are the ones who more often than not persuade the floating supporter to come to matches and hopefully become true fans; I have 6 joining me on Saturday.
That be said, I am with RCT and others. its good to have balance in a debate that has been fueled by very few facts other than our survival and progress in developing the squad on a tight budget.
My own thoughts are that with the rumours over the summer I was worried, as time went on and we didn't lose any of our main players I became less worrried and thought why distrust this board. They've done well so far and even then they were still being criticised, the main point seemed to be they weren't "Charlton" enough. The stuff with Rick seems strange but lets wait and see the outcome.
There is one thing that TJ hasn't worked out and money can't buy and that is goodwill. I had worked In the NHS at a time when staff became dangerously overworked, but the whistle blowers just had trumped up charges made against them and they got sacked. Conscientious workers became more and more upset as they struggled to keep things going. The strain became too much and the hard workers started to move to other jobs, putting the organisation under more and more pressure. Even when it did decide to replace staff, not only was the NHS was unable to find the 'right type of worker' to replace staff who left, but it also lost years of invaluable acculumulated experience and goodwill. The damage was immense. Admittedly Charlton doesn't make life and death decisions about people, but who is doing the work of the people who have left and what will happen to all those staff who are having to do even more work now? Sorry, but it worries me greatly.
History has shown that TJ is somebody who brings investment in rather than diiging into his own pockets. He is a rich man but not mega rich. He came into this project with KC and whilst he may have got ahead of himself to a degree - he was probably right in seeing that with a bit of extra expendature we could use the fact that phase 1 had gone better than could be imagined at the outset and make a likely to be successful push for the Premiership. The problem is that KC was an investor who didn't even want his identity known - he probably didn't want to play the football owner role and was looking simply for the promised return, so was a bit miffed he was being asked to stump up more money.
In some ways, we may be fortunate to have a ducker and diver at the helm. It may be more Delboy than Bill Gates and traditional etiquette of business may not have been observed which has clearly upset some with scruples - understably - but the club has managed to hold onto its better players and bring in Wilson, Fuller and an international on loan. Maybe we are living form hand to mouth and teetoring on administration if new backers are not found, but TJ may be one of the best people to find those backers with the contacts he has in the game. He certainly has a big incentive to do so which should re-assure us.
We win our next two or three and we'll be sniffing around the play off places. That may make his job easier. This is why my position has been that we should not get too involved in the behind the scenes antics at this precarious time and focus on supporting the team. If TJ fails, we'll all be needed it a massive fight for the club's future and if he succeeds, new owners will hopefully fix the current issues.
good post Prague ... thought-provoking ... and I'm glad to see the 'minority' view being posted so 'eloquently' ... none of us know the truth at this stage ... all I do know is that we are still in existence, we have a good squad and manager ... and we have a Trust starting which will hopefully give the fans a louder voice
Great post @PragueAddick and glad to see a slightly alternative perspective. I am currently at home on the web a lot looking for a new job so I have plenty of time to keep up-to-date on CharltonLife! I've read all of your views (and all the others) on the multiple threads that are running round and round on the same or similar topics. My overall conclusion is that 'something' isn't right in the back-office but all of this speculation isn't helping too much. The main thing that occurs to me (as a Business Change Project Manager) is that too little concern is given to B2C communications!
If only the business (i.e. the club) would communicate a bit better with its main customers (the fans being major stakeholders in what is going on) then most of this potentially damaging speculation wouldn't happen. They don't need to "wash their dirty linen" in public - but some acknowledgement that the fans would like to be "in the know" about the club they love and support would be very welcome and beneficial. Many businesses invest heavily in Communications Directors and good PR people. It would be nice to see the club putting a bit more emphasis on their commincations with the supporters.
Interesting and valid take on things although it is all "pure speculation" of the type derided when Prague puts the other side of things : - )
And I'm really struggling to work out PAs source as well. Surely as the argument was that as PA only had "old" contacts or none at all this can also be dismissed as "comfort blanket moaning".
What is a shame is that if TJ or even Slater had been half as open and honest (see the reference to the Palace board) as this "fictional" account then he would been given a lot more credit and praise and deservedly so.
However he and MS chose from the start to play every card close to their chest even when there was no need to. If only they had kept that PR man they paraded at the takeover around.
More interestingly is that the "fictional" Tony Jimenez does seem very aware of, and quite sensitive to, what is said by fans and presumably that he reads CL too - in the "fictional" world that PA has created of course ; - )
If it wasn't a fictional account I'd invite TJ along to a Bromley Addicks meeting to put the record straight. No distance at all from your place in Chelsfield, Tony.
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Feels to me that peoples' comfort blankets have been thrown out by the new lot and it's caused a kerfuffle and caused them to look for any rumour or gossip that can be expanded to flesh out their theories that the board who saved us from the brink of folding and delivered a cult hero manager, kept prices down, kept the squad they brought in and delivered promotion are somehow intent on destroying all things Charlton.
Also a level of hypocracy when staff were sacked during the glory parky days in less that classy circumstances there didn't seem to be as much uproar with the old regime.
Also remember posts on hear celebrating Waggots sacking and snide comments of will he be missed being posted which didnt give rise to such questioning. Such posts are still there to see.
Double standards.
The board are there to make money...this is achieved by getting us to the premiership and cashing in...ive thought that from day one and not kidded myself its for anything else....destroying the club or being detrimental to it will not help them achieve that objective so everything they do is with intention to take the club forwards and away from the quagmire the previous regime found itself muddling through after lacking the forsight to have a contingency plan in place post Curbs.
A lot of what was said echoes what Ive heard RM say in the past to be fair.....you dont like it? then put your hand in your pocket......its a tough pill to swallow for us mere fans, you just have to remember that not all direcors are dyed in the wall Addicks.
However, I suppose TJ is unlikely to be here in the long term, in any case.
In which case, he is doing all right so far despite casualties on the way! However, the buring questionis. Does the fictional TJ have the the financial muscle himself to do this for any length of time? or, more to the point, are his backers (be they investors or bankers) prepared to wait for as long as it takes to get a return. He might own 49% but he doesn't have control and that could be a problem for him.........and in the wings sits Cash or "No Cash"
But then the real TJ will have worked out this for himself and be only too well aware of the real value of core fans, whether or not they are represented by a Trust. The Club may produce its initiatives but it is the fans that help make them work. We are the ones who more often than not persuade the floating supporter to come to matches and hopefully become true fans; I have 6 joining me on Saturday.
That be said, I am with RCT and others. its good to have balance in a debate that has been fueled by very few facts other than our survival and progress in developing the squad on a tight budget.
My own thoughts are that with the rumours over the summer I was worried, as time went on and we didn't lose any of our main players I became less worrried and thought why distrust this board. They've done well so far and even then they were still being criticised, the main point seemed to be they weren't "Charlton" enough. The stuff with Rick seems strange but lets wait and see the outcome.
In some ways, we may be fortunate to have a ducker and diver at the helm. It may be more Delboy than Bill Gates and traditional etiquette of business may not have been observed which has clearly upset some with scruples - understably - but the club has managed to hold onto its better players and bring in Wilson, Fuller and an international on loan. Maybe we are living form hand to mouth and teetoring on administration if new backers are not found, but TJ may be one of the best people to find those backers with the contacts he has in the game. He certainly has a big incentive to do so which should re-assure us.
We win our next two or three and we'll be sniffing around the play off places. That may make his job easier. This is why my position has been that we should not get too involved in the behind the scenes antics at this precarious time and focus on supporting the team. If TJ fails, we'll all be needed it a massive fight for the club's future and if he succeeds, new owners will hopefully fix the current issues.
If only the business (i.e. the club) would communicate a bit better with its main customers (the fans being major stakeholders in what is going on) then most of this potentially damaging speculation wouldn't happen. They don't need to "wash their dirty linen" in public - but some acknowledgement that the fans would like to be "in the know" about the club they love and support would be very welcome and beneficial. Many businesses invest heavily in Communications Directors and good PR people. It would be nice to see the club putting a bit more emphasis on their commincations with the supporters.
How many threads on solly definitely going to west ham did we have?
I'm not saying I love the board like I did in the 90's but we are surviving and are in a damn site better place than 2 years ago
And I'm really struggling to work out PAs source as well. Surely as the argument was that as PA only had "old" contacts or none at all this can also be dismissed as "comfort blanket moaning".
What is a shame is that if TJ or even Slater had been half as open and honest (see the reference to the Palace board) as this "fictional" account then he would been given a lot more credit and praise and deservedly so.
However he and MS chose from the start to play every card close to their chest even when there was no need to. If only they had kept that PR man they paraded at the takeover around.
If it wasn't a fictional account I'd invite TJ along to a Bromley Addicks meeting to put the record straight. No distance at all from your place in Chelsfield, Tony.
You aint seen nothing yet.. ;-)