But ValleyGary why weren't the subs being readied BEFORE they scored? We were playing 10 men, at home and weren't winning. It shouldn't have required a goal to make him realise that we needed to change. And you can't really say 7 minutes isn't a long time. If a player gets injured and is subbed, we don't see the sub taking 7 minutes to warm up, he is brought on immediately (as happened on Saturday with Jackson.)
because we were clearly on top in the game! when a team scores their one only chance via a 25 yard free kick, it comes as a suprise. id imagine CP probably thought 'ok we were on top before they scored, lets give this 5 minutes and then if we dont score ill make the changes, still leaving a good 20 minutes for us to find the back of the net'. If anything, i thought we created less after the change anyway!
If CP had made the changes and they still scored a free kick, he would be getting stick for making changes when we were creating chances!!
and what changes would people have made? putting their hopes on a player thats been at the club 3 days and is a holding midfielder is laughable. Hulse being another lump just means we go to lump it mode more, so if he had come on earlier we would have been treated to an extra 10 minutes of lump it football.
No I dont think he would to be honest. Yes we was all over them but we never really looked like we were going to score, something had to be done. I just want Chris Powell to have some balls sometimes and try and kill teams off when were on top. Leaving it and leaving it never seems to work.
I don't get this SCP bollox. Andy Nelsen won us promotion to the second division and I do not remember calls for him to be knighted. And as for those idiots who used to call Jensen "God" don't get me started.
No I dont think he would to be honest. Yes we was all over them but we never really looked like we were going to score, something had to be done. I just want Chris Powell to have some balls sometimes and try and kill teams off when were on top. Leaving it and leaving it never seems to work.
Nicholas, what is that something? what should CP have done? We were playing decent football against 10 men, and if BWP or Stephens had taken their two chances then the game would have been won. Then when the changes were made we resorted to knocking it long, which is exactly what we would have done if Hulse had come on earlier anyway!
Maybe he thought Pritch offers more going forward, hence leaving Rasak for another day.
Don't have an issue with what he brought on, as we dont exactly have the biggest/most experienced/most versatile squad and therefore SCP, who trains with these players every day, probably has a better idea of who can come on and do what.
My only concern is that we generally seem to bring subs on a bit later than I would like to make a full impact on the game. Guess you can put it down to inexperience, or that we are only 9 games in to a 46 game season, but things do need to change in terms of results pretty swiftly.
I opened my Sky Sports Score Centre app last night to check the league table. Out of habit went into L1 instead of championship. Hope it isn't a sign...
Bring Hulse on, we were putting in plenty of crosses at the time so that he would have been a big threat. Bring Rasak on for Hollands who was awful, both loans would have brought something different to the table and both would have been well up for bagging or setting up the winner.
I think the OP words are a bit string, borne out of frustration, but too strong. However to add my tuppence worth. I think we have a young up and coming manager, who, all things being equal, will be a top flight manager one day. That said I dont think he is an amateur (I think that is insulting to a man who has nothing but the interests of our club at heart), is he stubborn? I think Powell is his own man, so maybe it might come across as stubborn.
What I do think is that he is a very conservative man and manager, when you think about it, he played for years under Curbs, a very conservative (read 'Safe') manager, he then worked is an understudy to Sven, another very 'Safe' manager. I think Powell needs to be a more proactive manager and less reactive, especially playing at home, it may be hard for him to move away from his comfort zone, but he is going to have to do that.
I think he will be reflecting this morning, and if he was being honest with himself, he would agree that he has been maybe too loyal to some of the players that got us into this very good league, I think he would also agree that the subs were made too late. If I am right expect Rasak to come in on saturday, if fully fit, with a 4-5-1 with Fuller up top.
I also feel if we get 2 wins on the trot, then we will finally get our season started, I fully expect Powell to be able to do this, if he can't then the other option would be horrendous 'cos this board are not going back to league 1 without a fight.
Finally, no manager or player is above criticism, and I feel if its made constructively then more posters views on here would be taken seriously.
Bring Hulse on, we were putting in plenty of crosses at the time so that he would have been a big threat. Bring Rasak on for Hollands who was awful, both loans would have brought something different to the table and both would have been well up for bagging or setting up the winner.
Firstly I want to say that I admire Chris Powell and believe that he is Charlton through and through. In management your attributes can sometimes become weaknesses in this case CP has a highly developed sense of loyalty which is a good thing but if that stops him making hard decisions that becomes a bad thing. He stated that he would give the players who got us promoted a chance and he is doing so and clearly some are falling short.
What he needs to learn is when and who to substitute, generally he leaves it too late to change things or as last night makes the wrong decision for instance as much as I like Pritchard as a person he looks out of his depth in this league I would have tried Rasak who has already played at a much higher level. I am also worried about this call for Wagstaff again a great lad but I haven't seen any evidence that her possesses the quality to make an impact at this level but I would be delighted to be proved wrong.
Our weakness is in midfield we lack penetration down the middle as an alternative to wide attacking play and we don't give protection to the back four when defending that is where the improvement needs to be made if we are to settle into this league.
I also agree I think we will go 4-5-1 against Blackpool, have a feeling he will drop Kerkar and put Jackson out on the left again.
You're assuming Jackson will be fit.
His previous history with injuries tells us that he is likely to miss a few matches particularly if it is a hamstring which he has damaged before.
I agree that we should go 4-5-1 though. What about Cook? Isn't he a left sided player?
Your right I am assuming I thought I heard somewhere he would just miss the Blackpool game, Totally forgot about Cook tbh I dont think he was even on the bench yesterday. Would have him on the left, but I still get the impression Powell doesnt feel many of his new signings can come in and do a job.
Half the board seem to know a lot about Man City reserve players.
And anyone who calls Chris Powell a "mug" only six months after saving us from League One with 101 points is IMO a 'mug' themselves. Shows how much some know about football and even their own club.
The bloke in front of me was shouting for Fuller and Stephens to be hauled off - literally seconds before Stephens set Fuller up to score.
Just goes to show...
Just goes to show that ' the bloke in front of you' needs to slag more players off, if he'd slagged BWP and Hollands off in the 2nd half, maybe we might have got an equaliser
Seems to me we are having real problems scoring enough goals. I therefore cannot understand why Waggy isn't getting a look in. The guy is capable of scoring from virtually anywhere in the final third.
Half the board seem to know a lot about Man City reserve players.
And anyone who calls Chris Powell a "mug" only six months after saving us from League One with 101 points is IMO a 'mug' themselves. Shows how much some know about football and even their own club.
Seems to me we are having real problems scoring enough goals. I therefore cannot understand why Waggy isn't getting a look in. The guy is capable of scoring from virtually anywhere in the final third.
Is he? then we should call for Waggy Messi to be in the next starting 11. ;o)
It was pretty obvious that the way Watford set themselves out at half-time with one up front that playing four at the back was a waste. At least one change should have been made at the 50 minute mark.
He isn't a mug but he definitely is ultra cautious. The thing is- it was clearly wrong last night but may be right another night. I think SIr Chris has to take a lot of th eblame- we were a bit unlucky too but we shouldn't suggest he isn't the only man to manage us- his strengths outweigh his weaknesses and sometime lessons have to be learned the hard way.
I think the OP words are a bit string, borne out of frustration, but too strong. However to add my tuppence worth. I think we have a young up and coming manager, who, all things being equal, will be a top flight manager one day. That said I dont think he is an amateur (I think that is insulting to a man who has nothing but the interests of our club at heart), is he stubborn? I think Powell is his own man, so maybe it might come across as stubborn.
What I do think is that he is a very conservative man and manager, when you think about it, he played for years under Curbs, a very conservative (read 'Safe') manager, he then worked is an understudy to Sven, another very 'Safe' manager. I think Powell needs to be a more proactive manager and less reactive, especially playing at home, it may be hard for him to move away from his comfort zone, but he is going to have to do that.
I think he will be reflecting this morning, and if he was being honest with himself, he would agree that he has been maybe too loyal to some of the players that got us into this very good league, I think he would also agree that the subs were made too late. If I am right expect Rasak to come in on saturday, if fully fit, with a 4-5-1 with Fuller up top.
I also feel if we get 2 wins on the trot, then we will finally get our season started, I fully expect Powell to be able to do this, if he can't then the other option would be horrendous 'cos this board are not going back to league 1 without a fight.
Finally, no manager or player is above criticism, and I feel if its made constructively then more posters views on here would be taken seriously.
Good post. Particularly the last point - well made.
Last two results have left me very disappointed post match.
Both those games were sitting there waiting to be won, by teams who were happy to take the draw. Unfortunately I think Powells failure to act to changing circumstances in a match as the manager has cost us. If you're suddenly playing against 10 men, then don't continue to play like you're against 11, be more pro-active.
I think the OP words are a bit string, borne out of frustration, but too strong. However to add my tuppence worth. I think we have a young up and coming manager, who, all things being equal, will be a top flight manager one day. That said I dont think he is an amateur (I think that is insulting to a man who has nothing but the interests of our club at heart), is he stubborn? I think Powell is his own man, so maybe it might come across as stubborn.
What I do think is that he is a very conservative man and manager, when you think about it, he played for years under Curbs, a very conservative (read 'Safe') manager, he then worked is an understudy to Sven, another very 'Safe' manager. I think Powell needs to be a more proactive manager and less reactive, especially playing at home, it may be hard for him to move away from his comfort zone, but he is going to have to do that.
I think he will be reflecting this morning, and if he was being honest with himself, he would agree that he has been maybe too loyal to some of the players that got us into this very good league, I think he would also agree that the subs were made too late. If I am right expect Rasak to come in on saturday, if fully fit, with a 4-5-1 with Fuller up top.
I also feel if we get 2 wins on the trot, then we will finally get our season started, I fully expect Powell to be able to do this, if he can't then the other option would be horrendous 'cos this board are not going back to league 1 without a fight.
Finally, no manager or player is above criticism, and I feel if its made constructively then more posters views on here would be taken seriously.
Good post. Particularly the last point - well made.
I think reading this site for long enough you get to recognise those who hold bitter grudges against players or managers. Very quiet when things go well, but out of the woodwork like a rocket when things go pear shaped. I'm sure there are a few now who have written off Lawrie Wilson, eating a bit of humble pie as he has put in a few decent games, as soon as he has a stinker they'll be on here telling us all about it
I think the OP words are a bit string, borne out of frustration, but too strong. However to add my tuppence worth. I think we have a young up and coming manager, who, all things being equal, will be a top flight manager one day. That said I dont think he is an amateur (I think that is insulting to a man who has nothing but the interests of our club at heart), is he stubborn? I think Powell is his own man, so maybe it might come across as stubborn.
What I do think is that he is a very conservative man and manager, when you think about it, he played for years under Curbs, a very conservative (read 'Safe') manager, he then worked is an understudy to Sven, another very 'Safe' manager. I think Powell needs to be a more proactive manager and less reactive, especially playing at home, it may be hard for him to move away from his comfort zone, but he is going to have to do that.
I think he will be reflecting this morning, and if he was being honest with himself, he would agree that he has been maybe too loyal to some of the players that got us into this very good league, I think he would also agree that the subs were made too late. If I am right expect Rasak to come in on saturday, if fully fit, with a 4-5-1 with Fuller up top.
I also feel if we get 2 wins on the trot, then we will finally get our season started, I fully expect Powell to be able to do this, if he can't then the other option would be horrendous 'cos this board are not going back to league 1 without a fight.
Finally, no manager or player is above criticism, and I feel if its made constructively then more posters views on here would be taken seriously.
Good post. Particularly the last point - well made.
I think reading this site for long enough you get to recognise those who hold bitter grudges against players or managers. Very quiet when things go well, but out of the woodwork like a rocket when things go pear shaped. I'm sure there are a few now who have written off Lawrie Wilson, eating a bit of humble pie as he has put in a few decent games, as soon as he has a stinker they'll be on here telling us all about it
I don't understand it really.
i was one of the people that didnt rate Wilson when i first saw him and i still dont rate him now. however, last night there was other causes for concern so most points concentrated on that. im certainly not eating humble pie thats for sure.
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If anything, i thought we created less after the change anyway!
and what changes would people have made? putting their hopes on a player thats been at the club 3 days and is a holding midfielder is laughable. Hulse being another lump just means we go to lump it mode more, so if he had come on earlier we would have been treated to an extra 10 minutes of lump it football.
Was Rasak Powell's signing though....
We were playing decent football against 10 men, and if BWP or Stephens had taken their two chances then the game would have been won. Then when the changes were made we resorted to knocking it long, which is exactly what we would have done if Hulse had come on earlier anyway!
Don't have an issue with what he brought on, as we dont exactly have the biggest/most experienced/most versatile squad and therefore SCP, who trains with these players every day, probably has a better idea of who can come on and do what.
My only concern is that we generally seem to bring subs on a bit later than I would like to make a full impact on the game. Guess you can put it down to inexperience, or that we are only 9 games in to a 46 game season, but things do need to change in terms of results pretty swiftly.
I opened my Sky Sports Score Centre app last night to check the league table. Out of habit went into L1 instead of championship. Hope it isn't a sign...
That said I dont think he is an amateur (I think that is insulting to a man who has nothing but the interests of our club at heart), is he stubborn? I think Powell is his own man, so maybe it might come across as stubborn.
What I do think is that he is a very conservative man and manager, when you think about it, he played for years under Curbs, a very conservative (read 'Safe') manager, he then worked is an understudy to Sven, another very 'Safe' manager.
I think Powell needs to be a more proactive manager and less reactive, especially playing at home, it may be hard for him to move away from his comfort zone, but he is going to have to do that.
I think he will be reflecting this morning, and if he was being honest with himself, he would agree that he has been maybe too loyal to some of the players that got us into this very good league, I think he would also agree that the subs were made too late. If I am right expect Rasak to come in on saturday, if fully fit, with a 4-5-1 with Fuller up top.
I also feel if we get 2 wins on the trot, then we will finally get our season started, I fully expect Powell to be able to do this, if he can't then the other option would be horrendous 'cos this board are not going back to league 1 without a fight.
Finally, no manager or player is above criticism, and I feel if its made constructively then more posters views on here would be taken seriously.
I also agree I think we will go 4-5-1 against Blackpool, have a feeling he will drop Kerkar and put Jackson out on the left again.
His previous history with injuries tells us that he is likely to miss a few matches particularly if it is a hamstring which he has damaged before.
I agree that we should go 4-5-1 though. What about Cook? Isn't he a left sided player?
What he needs to learn is when and who to substitute, generally he leaves it too late to change things or as last night makes the wrong decision for instance as much as I like Pritchard as a person he looks out of his depth in this league I would have tried Rasak who has already played at a much higher level. I am also worried about this call for Wagstaff again a great lad but I haven't seen any evidence that her possesses the quality to make an impact at this level but I would be delighted to be proved wrong.
Our weakness is in midfield we lack penetration down the middle as an alternative to wide attacking play and we don't give protection to the back four when defending that is where the improvement needs to be made if we are to settle into this league.
Just goes to show...
Your right I am assuming I thought I heard somewhere he would just miss the Blackpool game, Totally forgot about Cook tbh I dont think he was even on the bench yesterday. Would have him on the left, but I still get the impression Powell doesnt feel many of his new signings can come in and do a job.
And anyone who calls Chris Powell a "mug" only six months after saving us from League One with 101 points is IMO a 'mug' themselves. Shows how much some know about football and even their own club.
Both those games were sitting there waiting to be won, by teams who were happy to take the draw.
Unfortunately I think Powells failure to act to changing circumstances in a match as the manager has cost us. If you're suddenly playing against 10 men, then don't continue to play like you're against 11, be more pro-active.
I don't understand it really.