I took the time to explain the reasons to you Feltham, and if that's how you want to read it then fine.
We have hundreds of threads started on here a month, and at most you will see 1 or 2 closed or removed. If that's too much for you then you have the choice not to use this forum.
Over the past year or so I have been reading threads on here where posters have been challenging the Neanderthal views of a small minority of Charlton fans regards the Lisbie song and Mr Ambrose. I think this is a good thing. It might actually make a difference in some cases. The views expressed have been interesting, entertaining and educational. They fall within the bounds of which I would call reasonable freedom of speech. They certainly wouldn't lead to the site being 'shut down'. Now if I've understood correctly, the answer to my question is because of legal considerations. Ok so lets have clear guidelines:
1. No fan will start a thread criticizing other Charlton fans using racist or homophobic chants - you just have to lump it. 2. A fan will always start a thread along the lines of: 'How many did we take to Rotherham' or 'Didn't we sing well at Fulham'.
3. Every fan will repeat: everything is rosy in the Charlton garden.
Remember: BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Pathetic and worse, self-defeating. As you can see from the thread I dislike the homophobic and racist chanting as much as anyone but resorting to "Censorship" and that last post just makes you look silly and gives a victory to the very people you say you oppose.
AFKA has explained why he closed (not deleted but closed) the thread. It is still there to be read. He is the one getting the solicitors letters and his head on the block if they take it further.
You were allowed to make your points and others were allowed to disagree.
There are times when I think Admin close threads too soon and others when they let things go too far without acting but I would guess others think the same but about different threads and in a different order. But it's not my site nor me who will be sued and they get it right 99% of the time IMHO.
Oh do stop moaning lads. Look on the bright side. Sexism hasn't been banned, so you are are free to libel/be abusive to the majority of the population ;-)
There's a problem when the people who run and finance the forum have asked for these threads not to be started. If you want to ask the question, pm one of the admins, not complicated is it.
Someone in China arguing against "freedom of speech" ?
Oh do stop moaning lads. Look on the bright side. Sexism hasn't been banned, so you are are free to libel/be abusive to the majority of the population ;-)
Over the past year or so I have been reading threads on here where posters have been challenging the Neanderthal views of a small minority of Charlton fans regards the Lisbie song and Mr Ambrose. I think this is a good thing. It might actually make a difference in some cases. The views expressed have been interesting, entertaining and educational. They fall within the bounds of which I would call reasonable freedom of speech. They certainly wouldn't lead to the site being 'shut down'. Now if I've understood correctly, the answer to my question is because of legal considerations. Ok so lets have clear guidelines:
1. No fan will start a thread criticizing other Charlton fans using racist or homophobic chants - you just have to lump it. 2. A fan will always start a thread along the lines of: 'How many did we take to Rotherham' or 'Didn't we sing well at Fulham'.
3. Every fan will repeat: everything is rosy in the Charlton garden.
Remember: BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Pathetic and worse, self-defeating. As you can see from the thread I dislike the homophobic and racist chanting as much as anyone but resorting to "Censorship" and that last post just makes you look silly and gives a victory to the very people you say you oppose.
AFKA has explained why he closed (not deleted but closed) the thread. It is still there to be read. He is the one getting the solicitors letters and his head on the block if they take it further.
You were allowed to make your points and others were allowed to disagree.
There are times when I think Admin close threads too soon and others when they let things go too far without acting but I would guess others think the same but about different threads and in a different order. But it's not my site nor me who will be sued and they get it right 99% of the time IMHO.
Over the past year or so I have been reading threads on here where posters have been challenging the Neanderthal views of a small minority of Charlton fans regards the Lisbie song and Mr Ambrose. I think this is a good thing. It might actually make a difference in some cases. The views expressed have been interesting, entertaining and educational. They fall within the bounds of which I would call reasonable freedom of speech. They certainly wouldn't lead to the site being 'shut down'. Now if I've understood correctly, the answer to my question is because of legal considerations. Ok so lets have clear guidelines:
1. No fan will start a thread criticizing other Charlton fans using racist or homophobic chants - you just have to lump it. 2. A fan will always start a thread along the lines of: 'How many did we take to Rotherham' or 'Didn't we sing well at Fulham'.
3. Every fan will repeat: everything is rosy in the Charlton garden.
Remember: BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Pathetic and worse, self-defeating. As you can see from the thread I dislike the homophobic and racist chanting as much as anyone but resorting to "Censorship" and that last post just makes you look silly and gives a victory to the very people you say you oppose.
AFKA has explained why he closed (not deleted but closed) the thread. It is still there to be read. He is the one getting the solicitors letters and his head on the block if they take it further.
You were allowed to make your points and others were allowed to disagree.
There are times when I think Admin close threads too soon and others when they let things go too far without acting but I would guess others think the same but about different threads and in a different order. But it's not my site nor me who will be sued and they get it right 99% of the time IMHO.
The one thing I would say is that it would be nice to see a few words of explanation as to why a particular thread has been closed. I think the arbitary closure with no comment is what antagonises people.
That is a fair point which i accept, but i can assure you it isn't done to antagonise people but purely out of situation.
I do the main bulk of moderating, and i'm no longer able to access the site via a pc during my working day, which means the bulk of it is done via my mobile or when i can get to the library for my lunch break (now). The necessity of doing it via mobile means it isn't always easy, particularly with a flakey internet signal in central London (ridiculous), or have the time between meetings etc to be able to provide explanations. To be honest, in the vast majority of cases, i would have thought that it is obvious but i always state if anyone ever wants to follow something up then please inbox me and i will respond when i can.
Yes, we've made that known a number of times in the past. We also get requests / demands from clubs, organisations and individuals to remove content from the forum. Some of it I view of completely unnecessary, but its still hassle you could do without.
But that is broadly irrelevant. The vast majority of the moderation is done to either stop a pointless row escalating, or for the reasons I set out in point 2.
There's a problem when the people who run and finance the forum have asked for these threads not to be started. If you want to ask the question, pm one of the admins, not complicated is it.
Someone in China arguing against "freedom of speech" ?
I just live here, I don't make the rules. Also, don't believe everything you read in the papers, China is not half as bad as western media would have you believe.
Plus I clearly wasn't saying we should have freedom of speech on CL.
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We have hundreds of threads started on here a month, and at most you will see 1 or 2 closed or removed. If that's too much for you then you have the choice not to use this forum.
AFKA has explained why he closed (not deleted but closed) the thread. It is still there to be read. He is the one getting the solicitors letters and his head on the block if they take it further.
You were allowed to make your points and others were allowed to disagree.
There are times when I think Admin close threads too soon and others when they let things go too far without acting but I would guess others think the same but about different threads and in a different order. But it's not my site nor me who will be sued and they get it right 99% of the time IMHO.
Just because there are real names and photos it doesn't mean the site can't be sued or threatened with closure.
And just because a person posts under their real name it doesn't mean what they say will be less abusive or unacceptable.
Simple really, as a guest you follow the house rules or don't visit.
On this basis, I request that Admin close this thread !! ;-)
Sued/Site closure = Tosh
@cafcdave123 Belt up Trig, you let down.
So there have been solictors letters?
"Having had legal issues in the past, we are more guarded against that than perhaps some other forums."
I'm not admin so I don't know if they were letters/emails/phone calls TBH so perhaps shouldn't have said "letters" but read what AFKA said
So not tosh. Other sites have been closed such as Coventry's City's and we have all seen people arrested over twitter comments.
The one thing I would say is that it would be nice to see a few words of explanation as to why a particular thread has been closed.
I think the arbitary closure with no comment is what antagonises people.
Just my opinion.
JOKE before you all start!
So there have been solictors letters?
Yes
I do the main bulk of moderating, and i'm no longer able to access the site via a pc during my working day, which means the bulk of it is done via my mobile or when i can get to the library for my lunch break (now). The necessity of doing it via mobile means it isn't always easy, particularly with a flakey internet signal in central London (ridiculous), or have the time between meetings etc to be able to provide explanations. To be honest, in the vast majority of cases, i would have thought that it is obvious but i always state if anyone ever wants to follow something up then please inbox me and i will respond when i can. Yes, we've made that known a number of times in the past. We also get requests / demands from clubs, organisations and individuals to remove content from the forum. Some of it I view of completely unnecessary, but its still hassle you could do without.
But that is broadly irrelevant. The vast majority of the moderation is done to either stop a pointless row escalating, or for the reasons I set out in point 2.
Plus I clearly wasn't saying we should have freedom of speech on CL.