Still gutted but looking back on it, if we can perform like that consistently were going to surprise a lot of people. We were quality. Took the game to them from the 1st kick to the last. Went there without any fear whatsoever. Still can't believe I met pritchard in nandos after. Top fella.
I think as tempting as it is to take off a midfielder/striker to bring on a defender (taylor for jackson yesterday) to try to shore up the defence and see out the last few minutes I think it could do more harm than good. Unless we are working on 5 at the back regularly in training then I would think it just confuses things and perhaps the guys at the back are not sure what others are doing. Maybe a defensive midfield (or extra midfielder) would cause less confusion.
However, take nothing away from the result and more importantly the performance. Every player run their socks off and I really think the team really did us proud. Showing they can more than hold their own against one of the strongest teams in the league.
I think as tempting as it is to take off a midfielder/striker to bring on a defender (taylor for jackson yesterday) to try to shore up the defence and see out the last few minutes I think it could do more harm than good.
This.
Watched their goal, we gave them far too much room.
Taylor came on, won the header, gave the ball away then had a chance to tackle/clear ball from that lanky Zigic, Big Zig slots it home.
Don't understand changing team that is winning. Bringing off a potential goalscorer for a defender with a few mins to go. Gives opposing team more emphasis to attack.
I think as tempting as it is to take off a midfielder/striker to bring on a defender (taylor for jackson yesterday) to try to shore up the defence and see out the last few minutes I think it could do more harm than good.
Don't understand changing team that is winning. Bringing off a potential goalscorer for a defender with a few mins to go. Gives opposing team more emphasis to attack.
Yes totally agree, Curbishley used to do the same & in fact was ultra cautious & played defensively as soon as we were in front, it just doesn't work.As others have said it gives the opposition more opportunity to attack. Ah well a good point & another time it may work but I would prefer to keep attacking (within reason).
I remember us doing it genst Scunny last year. At 2-1 not sure who we took off I think it was BWP/Hayes and we brought on Doherty. They then made it 2-2 and rather than stay 5 at the back, we ended up playing Doherty CDM and it just looked stupid.
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I understand what you're saying but I don't see the logic, who will we have up top to put the ball in the net, if you take off attacking players for defenders?? This isn't League One anymore, teams will punish us for doing it.
Only team I remember that ever got away with playing this way successfully, was 80s Arsenal and they had a pretty damn good defence anyways.
Correct me If I am wrong but I do recall us doing this last season away at Sheff Utd, coasting the game 2-0 then changing the team by taking off Wagstaff and BWP in the last 10mins. Lucky for us Sheff Utd missed their chances as they were all over us from that point on and could have got back in it.
Don't get me wrong it isn't a dig at Powell but Just didn't like the tactical decision that's all.
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I understand what you're saying but I don't see the logic, who will we have up top to put the ball in the net, if you take off attacking players for defenders?? This isn't League One anymore, teams will punish us for doing it.
Only team I remember that ever got away with it successfully, was 80s Arsenal and they had a pretty damn good defence anyways.
Correct me If I am wrong but I do recall us doing this last season away at Sheff Utd, coasting the game at 2-0 then changing the team by taking off Wagstaff and BWP in the last 10mins. Lucky for us Sheff Utd missed their chances as they were all over us from that point on and could have got back in it.
Don't get me wrong it isn't a dig at Powell but Just didn't like the tactical decision that's all.
I completely agree mate, but for different reasons. Although we played very well, being 1-0 up at Brum was a bit surprising so I'm sure getting a second wasn't really a priority. Bringing on a CB for a midfielder/striker does invite teams onto us though which is why I think it is a bad move. We were playing well and 1-0 up with that system, why change things?
Scunny at home was the worst example of it, as soon as they pulled one back we went all defensive and sure enough, they grabbed a second. As I said previously, we ended up with Doherty in CM cos of it.
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I understand what you're saying but I don't see the logic, who will we have up top to put the ball in the net, if you take off attacking players for defenders?? This isn't League One anymore, teams will punish us for doing it.
Only team I remember that ever got away with it successfully, was 80s Arsenal and they had a pretty damn good defence anyways.
Correct me If I am wrong but I do recall us doing this last season away at Sheff Utd, coasting the game at 2-0 then changing the team by taking off Wagstaff and BWP in the last 10mins. Lucky for us Sheff Utd missed their chances as they were all over us from that point on and could have got back in it.
Don't get me wrong it isn't a dig at Powell but Just didn't like the tactical decision that's all.
I completely agree mate, but for different reasons. Although we played very well, being 1-0 up at Brum was a bit surprising so I'm sure getting a second wasn't really a priority. Bringing on a CB for a midfielder/striker does invite teams onto us though which is why I think it is a bad move. We were playing well and 1-0 up with that system, why change things?
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I understand what you're saying but I don't see the logic, who will we have up top to put the ball in the net, if you take off attacking players for defenders?? This isn't League One anymore, teams will punish us for doing it.
Only team I remember that ever got away with it successfully, was 80s Arsenal and they had a pretty damn good defence anyways.
Correct me If I am wrong but I do recall us doing this last season away at Sheff Utd, coasting the game at 2-0 then changing the team by taking off Wagstaff and BWP in the last 10mins. Lucky for us Sheff Utd missed their chances as they were all over us from that point on and could have got back in it.
Don't get me wrong it isn't a dig at Powell but Just didn't like the tactical decision that's all.
I completely agree mate, but for different reasons. Although we played very well, being 1-0 up at Brum was a bit surprising so I'm sure getting a second wasn't really a priority. Bringing on a CB for a midfielder/striker does invite teams onto us though which is why I think it is a bad move. We were playing well and 1-0 up with that system, why change things?
Sounds like we played really well, against one of the better teams in the league without a doubt! Gutted we didn't win in the last minute, but i would have taken a point happily as a lot have said beforehand. I get what everyones saying about Powell bringing on taylor for jacko and i agree it disturbed tha back 4, but Powell's still learning as a manager, and many times last season I was criticising him for not making changes and playing the same old 4-4-2 when our opponents changed their game...so maybe it wasnt the right call but at least he is learning to try and adapt our game etc to counter new threats form opposition. Hope this result proves that with a bit of belief and momentum we could actually get a decent finish this season, and i don't think its too optimistic to hope for a top half finish! (sorry for the essay, its my first post and got a bit carried away haha)
'Much of football is played in the head and by far the most important mental strength is confidence. Not only does a player need confidence in his ability but also in his fitness to do perform his role.
There were times last season when Ben Hamer seemed to lack conviction to go for the ball or was hesitant in his decision making. All that has changed this season.
Against Orient last week Hamer came and claimed the ball at every opportunity, even flooring Leon Cort on one occasion.
At St Andrews on Saturday, Ben was a model of calmness and authority in his area, frequently plucking the ball out of the air in a congested box.
Confidence in the keeper is the bedrock of a solid defence. What has changed to bring about the upturn in Hamer's confidence levels? Simple, Ben had corrective laser eye surgery during the summer. No longer does he need to wear contact lenses which must sow a seed of doubt in a keeper's mind when going in amongst the flying boots. Losing a lens would be catostrophic for a keeper.
Charlton's last line of defence now looks really solid and can look forward to a good season.'
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
No need for hindsight - I was maoning about it at the time...........just ask Large !!
Of course, if we leave JJ on and Zigic scores the equalise from a towering header people will say, "Why didn't Powelly bring on Taylor for the last five minutes when Zigic came on?"
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
No need for hindsight - I was maoning about it at the time...........just ask Large !!
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However, take nothing away from the result and more importantly the performance. Every player run their socks off and I really think the team really did us proud. Showing they can more than hold their own against one of the strongest teams in the league.
Watched their goal, we gave them far too much room.
Taylor came on, won the header, gave the ball away then had a chance to tackle/clear ball from that lanky Zigic, Big Zig slots it home.
Don't understand changing team that is winning. Bringing off a potential goalscorer for a defender with a few mins to go. Gives opposing team more emphasis to attack.
Yes totally agree, Curbishley used to do the same & in fact was ultra cautious & played defensively as soon as we were in front, it just doesn't work.As others have said it gives the opposition more opportunity to attack. Ah well a good point & another time it may work but I would prefer to keep attacking (within reason).
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Only team I remember that ever got away with playing this way successfully, was 80s Arsenal and they had a pretty damn good defence anyways.
Correct me If I am wrong but I do recall us doing this last season away at Sheff Utd, coasting the game 2-0 then changing the team by taking off Wagstaff and BWP in the last 10mins. Lucky for us Sheff Utd missed their chances as they were all over us from that point on and could have got back in it.
Don't get me wrong it isn't a dig at Powell but Just didn't like the tactical decision that's all.
I get what everyones saying about Powell bringing on taylor for jacko and i agree it disturbed tha back 4, but Powell's still learning as a manager, and many times last season I was criticising him for not making changes and playing the same old 4-4-2 when our opponents changed their game...so maybe it wasnt the right call but at least he is learning to try and adapt our game etc to counter new threats form opposition.
Hope this result proves that with a bit of belief and momentum we could actually get a decent finish this season, and i don't think its too optimistic to hope for a top half finish!
(sorry for the essay, its my first post and got a bit carried away haha)
'Much of football is played in the head and by far the most important mental strength is confidence. Not only does a player need confidence in his ability but also in his fitness to do perform his role.
There were times last season when Ben Hamer seemed to lack conviction to go for the ball or was hesitant in his decision making. All that has changed this season.
Against Orient last week Hamer came and claimed the ball at every opportunity, even flooring Leon Cort on one occasion.
At St Andrews on Saturday, Ben was a model of calmness and authority in his area, frequently plucking the ball out of the air in a congested box.
Confidence in the keeper is the bedrock of a solid defence. What has changed to bring about the upturn in Hamer's confidence levels? Simple, Ben had corrective laser eye surgery during the summer. No longer does he need to wear contact lenses which must sow a seed of doubt in a keeper's mind when going in amongst the flying boots. Losing a lens would be catostrophic for a keeper.
Charlton's last line of defence now looks really solid and can look forward to a good season.'